For Hobbes

[bigboab]

Originally posted by chalice@26 January 2004 - 10:38
Thanks for that BB.

Just another thrashing for the whipping boy is what it seems like to me. I'm surprised there's not more of a furore over that waste dumping issue.

We preserve and adore relics of hatred in the museums but our beautiful lands are there for the pissing.

I remember when a neuclear waste dumping site was designated for Lincolnshire. It was sometime in the mid eighties. The site chosen was about three miles from the home of the sitting(And still sitting, I think) MP, Douglas Hogg. He actually voted for the proposals. At the following general election, despite this dumping issue having been raised, Mr Hogg was returned as MP with a massive 30,000 majority, or something similar. This is one of the reasons I am against party politics. If you stood a pig as a Conservative in that area they would be elected. ( Come to think of it a pig would be popular in that area. ) The same thing applies to Labour candidates in other areas.

[chalice]

Originally posted by bigboab+26 January 2004 - 11:14--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bigboab @ 26 January 2004 - 11:14)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-chalice@26 January 2004 - 10:38
Thanks for that BB.

Just another thrashing for the whipping boy is what it seems like to me. I&#39;m surprised there&#39;s not more of a furore over that waste dumping issue.

We preserve and adore relics of hatred in the museums but our beautiful lands are there for the pissing.

I remember when a neuclear waste dumping site was designated for Lincolnshire. It was sometime in the mid eighties. The site chosen was about three miles from the home of the sitting(And still sitting, I think) MP, Douglas Hogg. He actually voted for the proposals. At the following general election, despite this dumping issue having been raised, Mr Hogg was returned as MP with a massive 30,000 majority, or something similar. This is one of the reasons I am against party politics. If you stood a pig as a Conservative in that area they would be elected. ( Come to think of it a pig would be popular in that area. ) The same thing applies to Labour candidates in other areas. [/b][/quote]
It&#39;s the same the world throughout, BB.

What gets me is when people are presented with this armada of promises only to refuse it for the devil they know.

I ask you, Boab... Ian Paisley??? Now leader of the most powerful party in NI politics??

[bigboab]

Originally posted by chalice@26 January 2004 - 11:24
I ask you, Boab... Ian Paisley??? Now leader of the most powerful party in NI politics??

Unfortunately dogma and religion go hand in hand.

[J'Pol]

There are various issues now devolved to the Scottish Executive.

These include Law and Order, Education and Health as I understand the situation.

If we deal with these matters for ourselves, which we do, then there is no reason why we could not prosper within the EU in the same way as The Republic of Ireland does.

As to someone comparing me to a retard because of my nationality. In all honesty that reflects more on them than it does on me.

[Yogi]

J&#39;Pol:

In all honesty that reflects more on them than it does on me.

Chapeau&#33;&#33;

Yogi

[Biggles]

I did not see the original debate so am loathe to comment.

However, Hobbes has always displayed a balanced sense of irony in his posts and it would seem to me that to pillory him for one analogy that may have gone a little astray is perhaps harsh. His clarification above seemed fair and reasonable. It distresses me when olive branches are treated as scourges.

I think it is only fair to note that US members of this board take a lot stick; often despite being as clearly unhappy with their administration as others might be. I know I would not have been happy being blamed for the utterances of Mrs. T simply because I came from the UK.

I am a Scot and could not imagine being anything else. I also usually vote Nationalist - as they seem more sane than most (an extremely relative concept I know).

Scottish Nationalism tends to buck the more common political pitfalls usually associated with this creed. I particularly identify with the idea they embody that Scotland is a state of being, not some sort of genetic hurdle. I was much amused when they chastised a young member by suspending her from the party for a couple of years for writing anti-English slogans on a bridge. As she is German and had only lived here a couple of years they didn&#39;t want to be too harsh, just tone down her enthusiasm.

Just a few jottings from the fringes

[chalice]

I&#39;m not too sure Hobbes was pilloried. I take his point after a fashion.

Politics aside, I can&#39;t see how that unfortunate analogy was in any way separate from those stomach-churning "Special Olympics" stfu images.

Anyway, Hobbes still rocks. (I&#39;m sure he&#39;s relieved to read that )

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by chalice@27 January 2004 - 00:47
I&#39;m not too sure Hobbes was pilloried. I take his point after a fashion.

Politics aside, I can&#39;t see how that unfortunate analogy was in any way separate from those stomach-churning "Special Olympics" stfu images.

Anyway, Hobbes still rocks. (I&#39;m sure he&#39;s relieved to read that )

I can rarely totally agree with a post.

This is a notable exception, thanks for that.

You have saved me a lot of effort.

[hobbes]

It is gratifying to feel teh love from those who might have felt personally attacked. I appreciate your ability to understand that the analogy was simply a bit harsh. Considering the number of posts I have exchanged with all the Scottish ilk and my own watered down Scottish blood, it would seem strange that I had been thinking you all "retarded", all this time.

I really made an effort to emphasize an analogy that reflected comparative military strengths between the two countries and was removed from labeling the individual Scot.

I think it is quite clear that I was not calling Scottish people retarded, but I think the use of that word and where it hit people emotionally blurred this distinction to some.

At any rate, my intention was not offend any of my Scottish friends, if I did anyway, I apologise.

If it is on your agenda to see my post as "Scottish hating", Chapeau. I wouldn&#39;t want to let reality tarnish your delusion.

[J'Pol]

I think it only fair to point out that 2 generations ago my blood was entirely Irish. All four grandparents born and bred there.

My granny (known as Sally to young and old alike, I called her nothing else) who lived with us till her dying day, was in service on Parnell&#39;s estate as a lass, before moving to Scotland.

I am ridiculously proud of being Irish by blood and Scottish by birth.

It perhaps explains the way I am. I make no apologies for this. Indeed quite the reverse. My whole attitude to life is an homage to my fore bearers. Miners and Artisans to a man. They earned their bread by the sweat of their brow.

No matter where I go or what I do I always remember that where (or more importantly who) I come from is all important.