atta boy.
atta boy.
=====================================Originally posted by kAb@28 March 2003 - 04:42
1) Civilians are killed publicly on a daily basis for their opposing views of saddam (their children to)
2) if iraqi men do not enter the war, their familes are executed and then they are executed
3) civilians die on a daily basis because of lack of food/water/hygiene/disease
4) there is no infrastructure of iraq.
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Iraq is definitely not the only country exercising dictatorship, freeing the iraqis people from the "evil hands" of saddam is a terrible excuse. Because if US is so rightous, maybe Bush should also get rid of North Korea, free Tibet, and overthrow some other mid-east and african governments.
The only reason Iraq is so signaficant to the US is because of the oil, Columbia is a country overrun by drug lords and terrorists, did the US ever give a shit about that?
And from my point of view, other countries hate america not because of jealousy, it's because of america's aggresive foreign policy. And thats what causes hatred and terrorism, people sacrifise their lives to blow up the twin towers, you won't do that unless you are being pushed to the edge of a cliff. (and i never meant what the terrorists did is right)
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War is hell! The civilian populations suffer the backlash of combat, the stray bullets, bombs, ect.
An old proverb says: "when a stampede of cattle charges, it is only the grass that suffers"
I too agree our foreign policy is to blame for the anger that these people feel.
bin laden stated that if we back their enemy (israel) we are an enemy as well.
I truly hope this will all be over quickly, but I have feeling it won't be, we could
be fighting pockets of resistance in iraq for months or more!
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columbia is a scary place, i think that is why the U.S. is avoiding it. what can the U.S. do about it? the whole battle would be gureilla warfare and thousands of americans would be killed
terrorists kill themselves cause they're fuckin retards. they think that they get to fuck virgins in heaven if they kill americans.
That's the point isn't it? The US only attacks where it profits them in some way. In other words, this war is not related to freeing Iraq at all, rather to creating a base for further business with middle-east.columbia is a scary place, i think that is why the U.S. is avoiding it. what can the U.S. do about it? the whole battle would be gureilla warfare and thousands of americans would be killed
Yes (All ) religion is a very simplistic way of looking at life. But when are people the most religious? When times are bad, during death, harsh conditions, etc. The Middle-East is a surpressed area of the world. Not only by the dictators running the different countries, but also by the West supporting those dictators. Saddam is by far not the only one, but one of the only who refuses to work with the US. You'll notice that in Bush's 'Axis of Evil' all the governments have some sort of anti-american sentiment.terrorists kill themselves cause they're fuckin retards. they think that they get to fuck virgins in heaven if they kill americans.
They are portrayed as dictators, but sanctions (imposed by the West) make it relatively easy to supress one's people. Read Raed's Blog, the account of an Iraqi citizen reflecting on the war and it's reasons. He talks about the effects of sanctions on the Iraqi people.
You may ask on how the West profits on surpressed nations. In order to keep oil-prices low, the resources used (labour) to excravate oil, needs to be as low as possible. By giving people education they will cost more and bring instability to the rest of the world. By giving them an education, they may start to specialise in services, offer competition to Western companies, also not in the interest of the West.
Somebody here mentioned that TV is not showing everything, in order not to protect the Army's position. That is partially correct, but it is also used to keep American support high. Last time I checked the sentiment is 66% for. It needs to remain that high, making Bush's campaign of death legitimate in the eyes of the American people.
Just my 2 cents...
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why do the iraqis have 3000 chemical suits and nerve gas antidotes? surely they aren't expecting the U.S. to use nerve gas, who would use it then? o wait... maybe saddam, who would also use it on his own people
Probably the same reason EVERY ARMY IN THE WORLD is equiped with NBC suites and Antropine.........and im talking every soldier here.
Even the National Guard in the USA and the TA in UK have them....and probably every other reserve force in the world. Its standard issue gear.
If they only found 3000, out of all those Iraqi's they have captured, it actually shows that the Iraqi's are NOT prepared for chemical/bio attack.
God i hate Black Propaganda; using your logic the Coalition forces MUST be gonna use chemicals...as they have about 250,000 NBC suites and millions of shots of Antropine.
An It Harm None, Do What You Will
Hey I heard that appx. 60% of frontline soldreds in the US army are black is that true?
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That should not have been posted here.Originally posted by zhelynd@26 March 2003 - 01:01
Please help pray for those who suffered in the war
http://img.top81.com.cn/2/112816.jpg
EDIT: changed this to a link, it is rather graphic. NikkiD
Its pretty bad. Thanks NiKKiD for changing it to a link.
Its not disturbing though.
Sad but not disturbingly so.
The child is alive in that photo and can be saved.
There was a video though of an afganistan field exocution of a russian soldier that is quite disturbing. hauntingly so.
I wish I had never seen it because the image will stay with me the rest of my life.
An Afganistani was demonstrating how easy it is to kill a man.
He had a young, (18, 19), russian soldier pinned to the ground by holding his foot on the soldiers head.
While another Afgan watched and a third one filmed, he took a razor sharp field knife and easily pushed it down into the side of the soldier's throat behind the jugular and windpipe.
The soldier was begging for his life the whole time and when the knife plunged in, you heard the gurgled sound of a surprised soldier who suddenly realized he would certainly die.
Then the afgan cuts forward through the rest of the windpipe and jugular and the video ends.
There is another video that uses part of that one with the remainder faked, which attempts to show that the original was faked.
If you ever see the original, you will know it was not fake.
The most gruesome movie cannot duplicate this. Even with the best computer animation.
And who would want to?
The video looked to be either a terrorist training video or possibly an attempt to show the enemy what to expect.
In either case, I will never let my son see it, or even mention its existance.
Nor anyone I care about.
I mention it here because I think it is important for the world to know the evil we are up against.
I'd be willing to bet that Bush has seen this video.
Saddam and his regime are part of a dieing mentality in the world.
Not the middle east...The World.
A mentality that believes that this kind of action against human beings is acceptable, ever.
I have said in other posts that All is fair in Love and War.
I don't believe that Should be true, but I think our Military leaders need to stop focusing on whether or not the Baath party is following acceptable conventions, and get on with the war.
Geneva violations are best left for the politicians to deal with.
Soldiers should simply be prepared for anything.
Peace
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places like columbia are useless to try to fix. they aren't a threat to us. they don't have nerve gas missiles. places like iraq are a huge threat to us, and we have the chance to stop it.Originally posted by Ardor@29 March 2003 - 04:56
That's the point isn't it? The US only attacks where it profits them in some way. In other words, this war is not related to freeing Iraq at all, rather to creating a base for further business with middle-east.
take a look at ivory coast, in the past few months things have gotten crazy. the peace corps were in there, but they were pulled out because of how dangerous things were about to get. now every day is a huge gun battle, and trying to set up a government there would be suicidal.
So in a way, the U.S. liberates countries in the order of their interest. but you can't deny that the iraqi people need liberating.
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places like columbia are useless to try to fix. they aren't a threat to us. they don't have nerve gas missiles. places like iraq are a huge threat to us, and we have the chance to stop it.Originally posted by kAb+29 March 2003 - 18:19--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (kAb @ 29 March 2003 - 18:19)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Ardor@29 March 2003 - 04:56
That's the point isn't it? The US only attacks where it profits them in some way. In other words, this war is not related to freeing Iraq at all, rather to creating a base for further business with middle-east.
take a look at ivory coast, in the past few months things have gotten crazy. the peace corps were in there, but they were pulled out because of how dangerous things were about to get. now every day is a huge gun battle, and trying to set up a government there would be suicidal.
So in a way, the U.S. liberates countries in the order of their interest. but you can't deny that the iraqi people need liberating. [/b][/quote]
Very well said, Kab.
We can't fix all the problems in the world all at once.
But we have to begin somewhere.
Iraq is a good place to start this time.
Things would change alot if more people would worry about the things they can fix and stop wasting time with things that are beyond their ability.
Peace to you dude
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