Riaa-coats Are Coming...?

[lawks]

Suing students...thats a really good idea, everyone knows how rich students are.

File sharing on uni network is only silly if youre at an american uni

The thing is these students werent careful enough, if you know your comp could be searched or whatever then you burn all your things and hide them somewhere, stop sharing files so the uni cant scan your shared folders etc etc

The RIAA dont scare me, its ok for them to rob people with pricing cds at extortinonate prices isnt it! Were all meant to be so happy at that They arent the police at the end of the day, ok so they can sue but i dont give a toss

Bootlegs have been around since before the internet, do they honestly think theyre going to stamp it out?

[RealitY]

I believe in many respects they may actually be fueling p2p with all the media attention. Is it not a waste considering now that we have "gnut", "news groups", "bittorrent" and so on. My question is why so much attention on kazaa, I guess because its the largest. It seems kazaa is their greatest challenge considering how obscure it is. Is anyone out there seriously worried to the point that they do not share or have limited their p2p in any way (not including reg blocks)? Let us know so we can "dump" on you for bein' slippery.

[RealitY]

I might also add this article if you haven't read it yet:

How to fail in e-business with a record effort
Thursday, October 10, 2002

It's easy to fail in e-business; what's hard is failing magnificently.

The Big Five music recording companies have been transcendent in this respect.

Their combined efforts have gone beyond killing their e-businesses and are close to destroying an entire industry.

The following are 10 rules of e-business failure, a list inspired by the recording industry's imaginative approach:

1. Refuse to change: Computers are just tools, and useful only in making your existing marketing model more efficient. Give word processors to your secretaries and install computerized stock-tracking systems so you can lay off staff. Declare the future to have arrived. Collect your performance bonus.

2. Ignore the Internet: If you can't imagine any way of making money on-line, then no one else can, either. Act surprised when the Internet starts to carry multimedia. Cry, "Who knew?" and insist the whole multimedia thing was invented only to ruin your business.

3. Be sanctimonious: Claim to be more concerned about the artists than about your profit. You are selfless; your only interest is paying the musicians, without whom you would be nothing. Pray that nobody remembers the countless rockers who signed away their souls on recording contracts and were dumped the moment their sales slipped.

4. Misunderstand your market: When you count the songs being swapped on peer-to-peer networks, do not notice that most are mouldy oldies. It's still theft, you argue, even if you stopped paying royalties for those songs in 1961. Blame piracy, not taste, for your inability to sell new songs that no radio station will play.

5. Lie: Go on Kazaa, count the MP3 versions of songs you produced, old and new, and multiply that number by the current retail price of a CD; howl that you are losing a fortune. Forget that a Buddy Holly album sold for $2.95 in 1958; you sell records for much more now, and that's the price you use when calculating your losses -- it's more impressive.

6. Kill it: Hollywood failed to make VCRs illegal, but you're going to succeed with peer-to-peer technology. Spend millions on lawyers to sue Napster and Scour into oblivion. Sure, paying lawyers has suddenly become more important than paying your artists, but so what? Hedge your bets by setting up your own Web site, offering songs that aren't selling well in stores. When your e-business proves to be less than a thundering success, blame it on the pirates -- meaning all your customers.

7. Pray it will all go away: Your noble efforts to shut down Napster and Scour will so terrify pirates that they will decamp immediately and other industries will lose all interest in P2P. Act as though U.S. court rulings in your favour apply to all other countries, regardless of their different legal principles. Do not make contingency plans.

8. Insult your market: After calling your customers "pirates," antagonize them further by threatening to release a flood of "empty" MP3 files to frustrate swapping. Do not understand the technical reasons why this won't work. Threaten to hack into the P2P networks like real criminals. Forget that some of these networks are based in foreign countries, which (for reasons you also cannot understand) do not subscribe to your system of justice. Then say you will launch denial-of-service attacks on pimply-faced file swappers, even if they live in those other countries.

9. Make government your accomplice: Demand exemptions from criminal prosecution by the U.S. government for your hacking and denial-of-service attacks. You're doing this for a Higher Cause, after all, which is paying royalties to your artists (remember them?). Drag Verizon Communications, an Internet provider, into court and demand it surrender the name of one of its subscribers allegedly sharing 600 music files, so your expensive lawyers can crush this kid's skull. Then get the Canadian government to impose a levy on all recordable media sold here, whether it's used for burning pirated music or archiving corporate data. Make mortal enemies of Apple and Sony because the levy adds something like 20 per cent to the retail price of their portable jukeboxes, pricing them out of the market. Collect more than $30-million without disbursing a single cent to your artists -- after all, you're Fighting the Good Fight, and you're going to have to tighten the artists' belts for them if you hope to win.

10. Go back to giving it away: Organize British record companies for a Digital Download Day. Charge £5 ($12.50) and claim it's "free." Reason that people would rather pay for music than get it for nothing on Morpheus. The "free" fee entitles people to listen to 500 streamed songs, to download 50 songs or to get five songs that can be burned on a CD. Ignore the math, which shows your £1 price for every burnable song is higher than the retail price per song on a British CD. Pretend you haven't noticed that your "day" is actually a week (Oct. 3 to 9), further proof that you can't count. Act surprised when your music servers can't handle the traffic and grind to a halt; blame the technology that put you on this terrible road in the first place. Angrily dismiss anyone who says that what you're doing is something you once told a judge is sheer piracy.

Got it?

Now get out there and fail. Oblivion awaits.

[vegeta]

Originally posted by edgy2@5 April 2003 - 02:11
How 'protected' are we sharing our files with others on p2p?...see article on following website:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?...04/MN122017.DTL

4 students sued over music trading software....

i we use a proxy then the riaa will be fooled

[TheDave]

Originally posted by zolaisugly@5 April 2003 - 01:14
well when they come they come it's your choice either share or not to share...as i live in uk i dont worry me about the riaa

im in england too, i heard about one guy who used to share thousands of files and got caught. then he got let-off and started again, so we dont have to worry too much

[Switeck]

Originally posted by REALITY@14 April 2003 - 04:32
My question is why so much attention on kazaa, I guess because its the largest. It seems kazaa is their greatest challenge considering how obscure it is.

Mostly litigation is used against Kazaa's makers because unlike the Gnutella network, not enough is openly known about the network to hack it. This weakness of this is, like Napster, there is only 1 target corporation to be shut down to 'destroy' most/all of the network... that's what RIAA thinks anyway.

However, it has been pointed out that the fasttrack network CAN survive without a central supernode list server/s.

[ljossberir]

my ISP was mentioned in one of those articles... (not naming which)
..and I might be sharing files. I hope this isn't bad news

[Tormentor]

Would you be in more dangere if you live in the states or canada