If I Download Piracy Stuff Am I Sinning?

[clocker]

[i]Originally posted by uNz@21 December 2003 - 12:05
Games, music and movies are all property.
All property is theft.
Theft is a sin.


So yes, you are a SINNER

Well, line one I could buy.
You lost me at line two, though.

All games, music and movies are a sin?

Even Candyland?

[hobbes]

Shoots and Ladders for Sinners coming in '04.

[muchspl2]

[i]Originally posted by uNz@21 December 2003 - 14:05
Games, music and movies are all property.
All property is theft.
Theft is a sin.


So yes, you are a SINNER

no physical theft of property, only copyright infringement
big difference

[WeeMouse]

"if the road of sin is the one i'm taking I ain't gonna stray til the clouds go rain on some other sucker's parade"

I may be a sinner in the eyes of some, but i haven't murdered any one and i do not posses Weapons of mass destruction. It's all comparitive, like.

*mouse has had her intellectual thought for the day

[bigboab]

It's the nearest I get to sinning.

[uNz[i]]

All property is theft=Quote from the Young ones... as said by Vivian to Rik

Had a feeling my previous post was gonna get jumped on... but guess what?

I was just kidding

[muchspl2]

[i]Originally posted by uNz@21 December 2003 - 15:58


All property is theft=Quote from the Young ones... as said by Vivian to Rik

Had a feeling my previous post was gonna get jumped on... but guess what?

I was just kidding

well..
First of all, the idea that downloading CDs is "theft" is complete BS. It is NOT theft. It is simply a violation of an arbitrary copyright law, nothing more nothing less. Theft requires the "victim" to be deprived of something. If I take your car, I am depriving you of your car. If I copy a song, I haven't deprived you of anything. The only thing you MAY have given up is the opportunity to sell me that song. If I would not have purchased the song in the first place, then you haven't even given up that. From an economics standpoint, copyrights and patents have absolutely NOTHING to do with "property" (the term intellectual property is a very recent one, frankly, the idea that you can own ideas is absurd); rather, copyrights and patents are simply a government granted monopoly to the holder of said copyright or patent.

Furthermore, over the past 100 years, copyright and patent law have been expanded WAY beyond their original intent. The ONLY justification for copyright and patent law is to encourage creativity and innovation. The moment that they begin to not have that effect (or to have the opposite effect, which is happening now), society needs to either repeal, dramatically weaken, or change those laws.

A good unbiased read on the history of "intellectual property" can be found here:
http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/property99/history.html

as far as sinning thats between you and your god

[uNz[i]]

Hmmm... yeaahh... whatever.

One question:
What part of "I'm kidding" don't you understand?

[bujub22]

NO cuz aint nothing better than getting something for free it's the american way

[FatBastard]

Downloading other peoples copyrighted property is theft.

Those who do it are thieves.

If you're religious, you will rot in hell.