Software Democracy?

[MCHeshPants420]

Can someone tell me why I should switch to FF?
(I have already tried it before)

It's what all the kewl kids are doing.

[Mr JP Fugley]

I'm one of few on here that use MSIE with a tabbed interface.

I would hate for there to be multiple OS's in the marketplace. I like a standard.

I also am not on the "I hate MS" wagon.

I had no problem with them before and sure don't have a problem with them because the government said they are harming me. Many point out any problem with Windows and then say, "See, this is why I hate Microsoft."

However fuck MS if they want me to upgrade every 2 years. I upgrade when I feel it's necessary (and that's never when MS deems it so).

Does my OS run fine? Check.
Does my software run fine? Check.


That's enough for me.

The point is not that MS products are bad, they are not. The point is that they are the most often attacked. The Operating System, The Browsers, The Utilities. Everything that MS does, in my opinion is the best available which is why they are installed on the majority of machines. However that is also the reason that they are the most obvious targets for hackage. The reason that people use other things is that they will then not be victims of said attacks.

I use XP(SP2) and have auto-update on, because in my opinion it is the best operating system currently available. I use Office 2003 for the same reason. However I do not use IE because it is attacked 24/7 and by the time MS release a "fix" for interweb hacks there is a distinct possibility that it is already too late. I therefore use Firefox as my interweb browser, in my opinion it is the best available option.

It's a balance thing, functionality v security.

[Busyman]

The point is not that MS products are bad, they are not. The point is that they are the most often attacked. The Operating System, The Browsers, The Utilities. Everything that MS does, in my opinion is the best available which is why they are installed on the majority of machines. However that is also the reason that they are the most obvious targets for hackage. The reason that people use other things is that they will then not be victims of said attacks.

I use XP(SP2) and have auto-update on, because in my opinion it is the best operating system currently available. I use Office 2003 for the same reason. However I do not use IE because it is attacked 24/7 and by the time MS release a "fix" for interweb hacks there is a distinct possibility that it is already too late. I therefore use Firefox as my interweb browser, in my opinion it is the best available option.

It's a balance thing, functionality v security.

Very smart.

However, I haven't bothered since I have never been "attacked".

I have been the knowing victim of a malicious script posted by my alter ego.

[3RA1N1AC]

Everything that MS does, in my opinion is the best available which is why they are installed on the majority of machines.

if you discount Windows' built-in support for newsgroups (Outlook Express), ftp (IE), bitmap creation (Paint), audio recording (Sound Recorder), video encoding (Windows Movie Maker), then i guess yeah. it comes with support for all of those activities, but it does all of them very poorly. if MS were the best at everything, we wouldn't have to turn to third-party programs for the aforementioned purposes.

one could say "of course they're not going to include high-quality programs for that price. if you want a good paint/photo program, then buy Adobe Photoshop." but that begs the question, why is Paint even included with Windows? does anyone actually use it? certainly MS wouldn't command their employees to generate graphics in Paint.

not to imply that Windows XP is not a great, easy-to-use & easy-to-maintain platform. 'cause it is. MS are quite good at some things, but by no means the best at everything. they've made their fair share of crap, including early versions of Windows, "MS Bob," many of the poorly supported functions they've bundled with Windows, etc.

this thing:

it's definitely not the best available.

it would be interesting to see, if MS were to sell a barebones version of Windows at a lower price without those bundled programs, alongside the bundled up version as we currently know it, which version would sell more copies. that would say a lot about the perceived quality of MS's bundled programs.

[Busyman]

if you discount Windows' built-in support for newsgroups (Outlook Express), ftp (IE), bitmap creation (Paint), audio recording (Sound Recorder), video encoding (Windows Movie Maker), then i guess yeah. it comes with support for all of those activities, but it does all of them very poorly. if MS were the best at everything, we wouldn't have to turn to third-party programs for the aforementioned purposes.

one could say "of course they're not going to include high-quality programs for that price. if you want a good paint/photo program, then buy Adobe Photoshop." but that begs the question, why is Paint even included with Windows? does anyone actually use it? certainly MS wouldn't command their employees to generate graphics in Paint.

not to imply that Windows XP is not a great, easy-to-use & easy-to-maintain platform. 'cause it is. MS are quite good at some things, but by no means the best at everything. they've made their fair share of crap, including early versions of Windows, "MS Bob," many of the poorly supported functions they've bundled with Windows, etc.

this thing:

it's definitely not the best available.

it would be interesting to see, if MS were to sell a barebones version of Windows at a lower price without those bundled programs, alongside the bundled up version as we currently know it, which version would sell more copies. that would say a lot about the perceived quality of MS's bundled programs.

The problem I have is that many folks down MS for making crappy auxillary functions.
We simply don't use them.

At the same time how is that the government can dictate to MS what programs to include with their system?

How can one say...."MS you must give a barebones system 'cause that's what we like."

The logic is preposterous.

Many fault MS but I say those same people should have latched on to OS/Warp or BeOS and STFU.

....or migrate to Apple to kick MS in the teeth.

Nevertheless they don't...while at the same time berate the company that they are using to type their uh...beration.

If MS is so bad, where are these innovative operating systems?

Where were they 15 years ago?

With so many hating MS, why is Linux so bug-filled?
An open source system certainly has plenty of troubleshooters.

Btw, many don't know this but there is a strip down Windows XP floating around in European due to the EU's bullshit ruling (that conveniently piggybacked on the US).

MS of course is not promoting the product. They merely are sticking it on the store shelves and SingTFU about it.

It should sell like hotcakes.

[GepperRankins]

Very smart.

However, I haven't bothered since I have never been "attacked".

I have been the knowing victim of a malicious script posted by my alter ego.

i hope the mods are reading this.

and you just pointed out that MSIE has security flaws you dick

[manker]

Busyman had a pop-up telling him to surf gay porn each time he went into a thread titled 'cawk' yet he's never been attacked.

Duh.

[Busyman]

i hope the mods are reading this.

and you just pointed out that MSIE has security flaws you dick.

Uh the security flaws are widely known dipshit. Wtf is up with name calling?
Besides purposely trying to fuck up IE, that's the extent of my "attacks". The only other was on a very old, never patched IE on a work laptop.
STFU.

btw you sound like a "run tell mommy little girl" with that mod crap.

Busyman had a pop-up telling him to surf gay porn each time he went into a thread titled 'cawk' yet he's never been attacked.

Duh.

Wtf are you talking about?

[GepperRankins]

you just announced you posted malicious code on the forum. i'm pretty sure they'll be rules against that. even there isn't specific ones in "forum rules" it's illegal anyway.

so what if it's an old version, you still pointed out a security flaw. one that was fixed after mozilla started hitting it big.

the word wasn't "cawk" it was "sex" but that was on a work pc so don't worry about it.



you are wrong. shut up.

[manker]

Wtf are you talking about?

This.

When your os was attacked by spyware.