Originally Posted by
devilsadvocate
My reply was that perhaps your media is shielding/steering you again. I even used your whistle thing.
My media?
What is
my media telling
you?
Do you really believe I start and stop at Fox news and Rush Limbaugh?
That's kind of offensive, truth.
I've stated previously regarding your observations of the media I must be watching a different media, so yes your media, whatever that may be. Interesting that you went straight on the defensive when I mentioned no station or commentator. You made an assumption.
Originally Posted by
devilsadvocate
I suggest that you notice McCains "trail" because the left is attacking him on substance. The right on the other hand mostly avoids substance attacking Obama
Yes, yes, the left and substance.
The two don't go together at all, if you get much beyond "hope" or "change".
I'm willing to listen, however, if you decide you can change my mind.
As to the other, you are quite correct to point out the right doesn't attack Obama on substance; you see, insofar as we may try, we are confronted with the chicken/egg, cart/horse proximity problem:
No substance.
No, they started the "empty suit" mantra (one can predict this each election) So they can't attack him on substance because it would kind of knock that mantra on the head.
When creative or incisive criticism is levied, it is universally condemned as "racist".
Again I remind you I am not defending Obama or his policies, what I am doing is making observations. I don't agree with much of Obamas or McCains substance, but they do have it. Perhaps I should revise this
Perhaps you have seen specifics but as you don't like them have chosen to ignore them and convinced yourself they don't exist
from yanking your chain to serious possibility.
Originally Posted by
devilsadvocate
You may or may not have noticed my disgust at the way we treat the election process with almost childish lack of respect (not child like, childish). Seeing as you raise substance when it comes to reporting Obama, why do you think that is?
"We" who?
America in general.
Elections are treated with the seriousness of a sideshow attraction.
I can't let you get away that cheaply...examples, please.
Originally Posted by
devilsadvocate
I think it's because, in the case of Obama, the right wing noise machine MAKES it that way because they don't want anyone to hear the substance of his message. To a certain degree it works well for them.
Tell me something:
Does the left wing have a "noise machine"?
Yes of course it does, I've already mentioned them.
Or are you one of those "centrists/moderates" who don't even acknowledge the existence of a "left"?
See above
You defend Obama, AND-
You defend the media's lack of concern over his lack of everything.
The only defending I am even close to doing is his patriotism. The man is as patriotic as anyone and I made my feelings about the questioning known in my reason for calling the original article junk. Did you miss my point?
You imply all criticisms of McClain are substantive.
See edit on previous post, I did that BEFORE you replied as when I read it a little later I guessed you might do what you just did if I failed to cover every possibility. I can't decide if you are paranoid or just overly sensitive.
You claim to be unbound by simple ideology.
Sorry-
It doesn't work that way.
You, sir, are a liberal; there is no denying the fact.
I, on the other hand, am a
conservative.
I have no wish to be connected to liberals or conservatives, they both want government to run their lives for them, just in different ways. I have my own ideology and neither fits. I don't claim to be a centrist either as that would imply I'm split between the two main parties. You need your left/middle/right straight line categories, my chart is more 3 dimensional. I don't expect you to get that and have no desire to explain.
Originally Posted by
devilsadvocate
After 8 years of the republicans shooting the messenger instead of answering the question the negative sensationalism doesn't appear to be working as well this time.
You are right as to the 8 years of republicans, however, you overestimate their sniping ability; they couldn't hit a messenger with the broad side of a barn, yet they can't avoid shooting themselves in the foot.
They can't even do "negative sensationalism" to any effect - luckily, though, it hasn't been necessary, as Obama will destroy his own chances when it is discovered (as it will be, about the time of the first presidential debate) not only that he has no clothes, but that Michelle has forgotten to even shop for them.
And (once again), I am a conservative.
And I notice you like to question are conservativism of others in the same way Golberg likes to question patriotism.
It does seem a very with me or against me type of conservatism you have.
(Here's a hint that will help: If you want to know what a conservative thinks, ask one - don't rely on republicans for your info).
Who said I rely on republicans? There are enough of those self proclaimed conservatives about. It's funny however, when it comes to McCain I've heard more character assassination from conservatives, but in the end they will vote for him because he's rebublican and are already trying to justify not voting their principles by saying they will "hold their nose"
Unless McCain dies before the election, it's his to lose, guaranteed.
Remember I said that.
Originally Posted by
devilsadvocate
My observations.
Edit-
This is not to say that the right does no substance attacks on Obama or the left does no character attacks on McCain.
Nice try, if a bit late.
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