NOOB Question Newgroup vs Torrents

[flow7]

Do torrents on private trackers have faster speed the newsgroups and do the have more rare files?

[Broken]

With a premium provider, speed is only limited by your connection. Providers use multi-gigabit dedicated lines to deliver downloads to you at blazing speeds. It would be a rare day that you couldn't max out your connection.

There is plenty of rare stuff up, I would venture to say way more than with torrents. The downside of the rare stuff is that it really isn't in high demand, that's why it's rare. This doesn't effect speed or availability. But, instead of using NZB files you'll have to download headers and search the content out for yourself.


The biggest plus to Usenet is that it's the safest way to get your material. It's been around since 1985, zero users sued for downloading.
All together, if you can spare the cash, there is no better way to go.

[flow7]

Thanks Broken for the reply, so if i were to get started with newsgroups would
giganews be a good provider and lets say i wouldn't want to go through the hassle of d/l headers is there a way to get around it and jus d/l and search the file i would want.

[pentomato]

Newsgroups used to be to complicated at least for me, but bitorrent the private trackers you can get a movie in half hour

[MultiForce]

Thanks Broken for the reply, so if i were to get started with newsgroups would
giganews be a good provider and lets say i wouldn't want to go through the hassle of d/l headers is there a way to get around it and jus d/l and search the file i would want.

Giganews is quality but there are cheaper ones like usenetserver (http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/newsgroups/t-giganews-promotion-and-usenetserver-112911) and they are also good.

You can use sites like www.binsearch.info and www.newzleech.com to search for stuff.

[nxrisetaker]

Anything that appeals to the common man.

[flow7]

Is Grabit's super search usefull??

[geen]

Is Grabit's super search usefull??

Its a bit easier then nzb's since you dont have to go to a site, search, dl the nzb and import it. In my opinion it only adds some luxury, you dont really need it.

[Phach]

newsgroups are way much faster than torrent. If you have a good provider (newshosting for my part) you can download things for about 80 days at almost lightspeed (up to 25 Mbits/s)

[popopot]

How do newsgroups compare to Oink for lossless music?

[fugazi26]

There are going to be less songs available but you can always request some songs and I am sure someone would be nice enough to put it up if they have it.

[MultiForce]

The best thing to do is to upload something and request at the same time. If you post in the right group(s) you'll easily find people who got something to offer.

[antwanp]

Hell with Time-Warner Cable, I max out my 10mbps download connection 100% of the time. They also upgraded their retention rates! I downloaded some items that were 80 days old! I dropped my premium newsgroup provider to save a few bucks a month and use Time-Warner's RoadRunner access...

-Antwan L.

[ifkstab]

I'm downloading my first files off of usenet and getting around 300 kb/s on a 3 mb connection. My fastest for torrents was around 200 and usually only 150 or lower.

[webe123]

I'm downloading my first files off of usenet and getting around 300 kb/s on a 3 mb connection. My fastest for torrents was around 200 and usually only 150 or lower.


Yeah,I get 650 kb/s and I can download a DVD in about an hour and a half....with torrents,it would sometimes take a half a day! Newsgroups rule over torrents in speed!

[BigH]

I'm downloading my first files off of usenet and getting around 300 kb/s on a 3 mb connection. My fastest for torrents was around 200 and usually only 150 or lower.


Yeah,I get 650 kb/s and I can download a DVD in about an hour and a half....with torrents,it would sometimes take a half a day! Newsgroups rule over torrents in speed!

only started with Usenet yesterday

what a difference!

was used to getting 5 to 30 kb/s with torrents (sometimes up to 100 kb/s but very rare)

now getting 250kb/s on a 4MB line - amazed by the difference.

PS - although the above is a massive increase in my eyes, does anyone think this is still comparatively slow?

[fugazi26]

Ya 250 on a 4mb line is kind of low since you should be maxing out your connection. Who is your provider?

[BigH]

Ya 250 on a 4mb line is kind of low since you should be maxing out your connection. Who is your provider?

cable with Virgin Media (formerly NTL) - I'm in UK

so should, in theory, my download speed should be about 400kb/s ? (or perhaps 4000kb/s ?- sorry, crap with numbers)

I download from a European server - would it make any difference it I simultaneously downloaded from the servers in US (East and West) as well, or does it make no difference?

[fugazi26]

Are you subscribed to a premium newsgroup provider if so who? Possibly your isp?

The download speed should be around 400KB/s or 4000kb/s. Ya I have the whole capitalization thing too.

[popopot]

Ya 250 on a 4mb line is kind of low since you should be maxing out your connection. Who is your provider?

cable with Virgin Media (formerly NTL) - I'm in UK

so should, in theory, my download speed should be about 400kb/s ? (or perhaps 4000kb/s ?- sorry, crap with numbers)

I download from a European server - would it make any difference it I simultaneously downloaded from the servers in US (East and West) as well, or does it make no difference?


Are you getting 250 KB/sec? That would equate to about 2 Mb/sec (8 bits in a byte). I have heard that NTL throttle the speed of some heavy users to half of what it should be. If you are using a premium/paid for server, you should be able to change the port from 119 to something else (depending on what the news server suggests). This may help to increase your speed in case NTL is limiting port 119 traffic. Also, if you are uploading stuff, e.g. torrents, at the same time, they will slow down your download speed.

I am also on NTL and am thinking of using news groups, which one do you use? I haven't managed to connect to the NTL one so I think I will go with a paid one instead.

[BigH]

cable with Virgin Media (formerly NTL) - I'm in UK

so should, in theory, my download speed should be about 400kb/s ? (or perhaps 4000kb/s ?- sorry, crap with numbers)

I download from a European server - would it make any difference it I simultaneously downloaded from the servers in US (East and West) as well, or does it make no difference?


Are you getting 250 KB/sec? That would equate to about 2 Mb/sec (8 bits in a byte). I have heard that NTL throttle the speed of some heavy users to half of what it should be. If you are using a premium/paid for server, you should be able to change the port from 119 to something else (depending on what the news server suggests). This may help to increase your speed in case NTL is limiting port 119 traffic. Also, if you are uploading stuff, e.g. torrents, at the same time, they will slow down your download speed.

I am also on NTL and am thinking of using news groups, which one do you use? I haven't managed to connect to the NTL one so I think I will go with a paid one instead.

just been reading up today on the cable forum - looks like my speeds are not uncommon (throttling or over-subscription in certain areas)

I did change the port number (not at home so can't check) to something like 445 (their European server) - perhaps I'll e-mail the news server and ask them .

In any event, phoned up NTL and have moved up to 10Mb (extra £ 10 p/mnth) and see what difference that makes - I Can go back to 4Mb at any time.

Used to use torrent, but was painfully slow - hence the move to newsgroups - even at 250kb/s, it only takes 0.5 hour to download a 40min TV show (compared with, often, 12 hours using Torrent.

I tried the NTL server, but couldn't connect.

I went with 'usenet-news.net' - they do purchase of blocks as well as monthly contract - went for 10GB for £ 2.65

used it up pretty quick (had backlog of programs with Azureus!) - might go for monthly contract (unlimited at $ 20 p/m I think) - see how it goes

go on - go for it!

[popopot]

Are you getting 250 KB/sec? That would equate to about 2 Mb/sec (8 bits in a byte). I have heard that NTL throttle the speed of some heavy users to half of what it should be. If you are using a premium/paid for server, you should be able to change the port from 119 to something else (depending on what the news server suggests). This may help to increase your speed in case NTL is limiting port 119 traffic. Also, if you are uploading stuff, e.g. torrents, at the same time, they will slow down your download speed.

I am also on NTL and am thinking of using news groups, which one do you use? I haven't managed to connect to the NTL one so I think I will go with a paid one instead.

just been reading up today on the cable forum - looks like my speeds are not uncommon (throttling or over-subscription in certain areas)

I did change the port number (not at home so can't check) to something like 445 (their European server) - perhaps I'll e-mail the news server and ask them .

In any event, phoned up NTL and have moved up to 10Mb (extra £ 10 p/mnth) and see what difference that makes - I Can go back to 4Mb at any time.

Used to use torrent, but was painfully slow - hence the move to newsgroups - even at 250kb/s, it only takes 0.5 hour to download a 40min TV show (compared with, often, 12 hours using Torrent.

I tried the NTL server, but couldn't connect.

I went with 'usenet-news.net' - they do purchase of blocks as well as monthly contract - went for 10GB for £ 2.65

used it up pretty quick (had backlog of programs with Azureus!) - might go for monthly contract (unlimited at $ 20 p/m I think) - see how it goes

go on - go for it!


It will be interesting to see how fast you can get your 10 Mb/sec connection to go.

[GINZY]

Newsgroup gives you best speed of your connection but it take the money
Bitorrent can gives you best speed of your connection but it doesnt take the money

[BigH]

just been reading up today on the cable forum - looks like my speeds are not uncommon (throttling or over-subscription in certain areas)

I did change the port number (not at home so can't check) to something like 445 (their European server) - perhaps I'll e-mail the news server and ask them .

In any event, phoned up NTL and have moved up to 10Mb (extra £ 10 p/mnth) and see what difference that makes - I Can go back to 4Mb at any time.

Used to use torrent, but was painfully slow - hence the move to newsgroups - even at 250kb/s, it only takes 0.5 hour to download a 40min TV show (compared with, often, 12 hours using Torrent.

I tried the NTL server, but couldn't connect.

I went with 'usenet-news.net' - they do purchase of blocks as well as monthly contract - went for 10GB for £ 2.65

used it up pretty quick (had backlog of programs with Azureus!) - might go for monthly contract (unlimited at $ 20 p/m I think) - see how it goes

go on - go for it!


It will be interesting to see how fast you can get your 10 Mb/sec connection to go.

speeds are typically 1000kb/s (but range from 900 to 1200), so I am one happy camper - this week's South Park d/l in about 3 mins!

roll on NTL's 20MB service (starting in a couple of months time apparently, and should be free upgrade for 10MB users)

on another point, what sort of broadband speeds do Americans get ?(I believe they're a bit more ahead in this area than us Brits)

[popopot]

Newsgroup gives you best speed of your connection but it take the money
Bitorrent can gives you best speed of your connection but it doesnt take the money

You can actually 'pay' quite a lot for torrents: 1) you have to pay in terms of time for seeding, 2) you can often pay for GB's to be added to your account via 'donating', and 3) if you are serious about torrents, you will pay more for a seeder box per month than newsgroups.

[fugazi26]

[quote=popopot;1803588]
on another point, what sort of broadband speeds do Americans get ?(I believe they're a bit more ahead in this area than us Brits)

It matters drastically where you live. Where I am we can get 30mb/s and 5 up but its just too damn exspensive (fios). So right now im on a 15mb/s down and 2 up for 50 usd.

[BigH]

[quote=BigH;1805704]

It matters drastically where you live. Where I am we can get 30mb/s and 5 up but its just too damn exspensive (fios). So right now im on a 15mb/s down and 2 up for 50 usd.

how much would 30mb/s cost per month?

In uk, 20mb is about $ 70 p/mnth (although Virgin Media are doing reductions if you phone up and threaten to leave (what with Branson's fallout with Murdoch's Sky)

[popopot]

Well I have done it. I have finally signed up to Usenet-News to test out newsgroups and to be honest I am amazed! The speed is just awesome and my connection is maxed out ALL the time, no fluctuations, just maxed out ALL the time......did I mention it is maxed out ALL the time.....I downloaded my first movie in 50 mins. I have never had a torrent go that fast and now I don't have to upload anything - yay! I haven't decided yet whether I should sign up to Newzbin or Newzleech SuperSearch, but because I am using the Alt.Binz program I think I will try Newzbin first. Although it does have the have the option to put in your SuperSearch license key, so I might go for both. Anyway, I have some downloading to do.

...Maxed out ALL the friging time! Awesome!:w00t:

[magsimus]

@fugazi and popopot:

Fugazi's right, it really depends. I live in Oklahoma, and the options (with Cox) are 6Mbps or 9Mbps. I consider that pretty good for $40/month, but down the road in Dallas now, they have FiOS that goes God knows how fast.

I use torrents and get pretty good speeds. At least I'm happy with it. It really depends on how many people have the entire file and how good the tracker is. The trackers you have to get invited to or sign up for seem to produce better speeds. If you use port forwarding, etc, you'll get better speeds, blah blah blah.

Never used newsgroups, so I'm just cruising through here to see what it's all about...

:)

[Agrajag]

Use this for Virgin Media (NTL) news.cable.ntlworld.com (In the hostname box). Use port 119.

Also adjust the max allowed connections. I just set it at the highest number.

I can get max on my 10meg connection using the newest GrabIt and these settings.

They are uppping the speed to 20meg by the end of May, btw.

[webe123]

Well I have done it. I have finally signed up to Usenet-News to test out newsgroups and to be honest I am amazed! The speed is just awesome and my connection is maxed out ALL the time, no fluctuations, just maxed out ALL the time......did I mention it is maxed out ALL the time.....I downloaded my first movie in 50 mins. I have never had a torrent go that fast and now I don't have to upload anything - yay! I haven't decided yet whether I should sign up to Newzbin or Newzleech SuperSearch, but because I am using the Alt.Binz program I think I will try Newzbin first. Although it does have the have the option to put in your SuperSearch license key, so I might go for both. Anyway, I have some downloading to do.

...Maxed out ALL the friging time! Awesome!:w00t:


Brothas and sistas! I think we have a new convert to newsgroups.

[popopot]

Well I have done it. I have finally signed up to Usenet-News to test out newsgroups and to be honest I am amazed! The speed is just awesome and my connection is maxed out ALL the time, no fluctuations, just maxed out ALL the time......did I mention it is maxed out ALL the time.....I downloaded my first movie in 50 mins. I have never had a torrent go that fast and now I don't have to upload anything - yay! I haven't decided yet whether I should sign up to Newzbin or Newzleech SuperSearch, but because I am using the Alt.Binz program I think I will try Newzbin first. Although it does have the have the option to put in your SuperSearch license key, so I might go for both. Anyway, I have some downloading to do.

...Maxed out ALL the friging time! Awesome!:w00t:


Brothas and sistas! I think we have a new convert to newsgroups.


Indeed. And its still going strong. Seedboxes and uploading can kiss my brown ass because I am maxed out all the friging time - sounds like a tagline to me, 'Get Newsgroups and you will be maxed out all the friging time'©. If Giganews or anybody wants to license that tagline from me, I am open to offers.....:D

[Rats]

Newsgroups are definitely much more convenient than the average torrent. no ratio requirements, always max out your connection. However, torrents tend to have much faster pre times.

[Windy72]

Newsgroups are definitely much more convenient than the average torrent. no ratio requirements, always max out your connection. However, torrents tend to have much faster pre times.

I wouldn't know about pre times because by the time I downloaded it on a torrent it would have been upped hours ago on usenet sometimes days:naughty:

BTW I do use torrents and they are awesome but for specialist areas like UKNova. Having said that for example the last episode of Born Survivor showed on usenet. Thats EP03, EP04 went out tonight will try to see where it pops up first.:01:

Edit:
Just checked newsgroups released this episode around midnight last night UKN had it added to it's tracker 5:30am this morning. On this occasion usenet won on the pre time. It appears to have originally been capped from IIRC. I was asleep anyway so it is all meaningless.

[whiteboy]

Hell with Time-Warner Cable, I max out my 10mbps download connection 100% of the time. They also upgraded their retention rates! I downloaded some items that were 80 days old! I dropped my premium newsgroup provider to save a few bucks a month and use Time-Warner's RoadRunner access...

-Antwan L.
I had time warner about 1 year ago in So.Cal and their retention was like 2 days, Half the games hame missing rar's. I guess they fixed it up!

[Windy72]

Brothas and sistas! I think we have a new convert to newsgroups.


Indeed. And its still going strong. Seedboxes and uploading can kiss my brown ass because I am maxed out all the friging time - sounds like a tagline to me, 'Get Newsgroups and you will be maxed out all the friging time'©. If Giganews or anybody wants to license that tagline from me, I am open to offers.....:D

'Get Newsgroups and you will be maxed out all the friging time'©
'Get Newsgroups and you will be maxed out all the friging time'©
'Get Newsgroups and you will be maxed out all the friging time'©
'Get Newsgroups and you will be maxed out all the friging time'©
'Get Newsgroups and you will be maxed out all the friging time'©
'Get Newsgroups and you will be maxed out all the friging time'©

:w00t:'Get Newsgroups and you will be maxed out all the friging time'©:w00t:

Awesome

[popopot]

Indeed. And its still going strong. Seedboxes and uploading can kiss my brown ass because I am maxed out all the friging time - sounds like a tagline to me, 'Get Newsgroups and you will be maxed out all the friging time'©. If Giganews or anybody wants to license that tagline from me, I am open to offers.....:D

'Get Newsgroups and you will be maxed out all the friging time'©
'Get Newsgroups and you will be maxed out all the friging time'©
'Get Newsgroups and you will be maxed out all the friging time'©
'Get Newsgroups and you will be maxed out all the friging time'©
'Get Newsgroups and you will be maxed out all the friging time'©
'Get Newsgroups and you will be maxed out all the friging time'©

:w00t:'Get Newsgroups and you will be maxed out all the friging time'©:w00t:

Awesome


Oy! Typical bloody pirate that does not respect the copyright laws. Lol.:P

[erdniZ]

I am converted aswell, feels good downloading at full speed without thinking about leaving the rar files for seeding. ;):D

[Windy72]

I am converted aswell, feels good downloading at full speed without thinking about leaving the rar files for seeding. ;):D

Welcome to sanity:01:

[webe123]

'Get Newsgroups and you will be maxed out all the friging time'©
'Get Newsgroups and you will be maxed out all the friging time'©
'Get Newsgroups and you will be maxed out all the friging time'©
'Get Newsgroups and you will be maxed out all the friging time'©
'Get Newsgroups and you will be maxed out all the friging time'©
'Get Newsgroups and you will be maxed out all the friging time'©

:w00t:'Get Newsgroups and you will be maxed out all the friging time'©:w00t:

Awesome


Oy! Typical bloody pirate that does not respect the copyright laws. Lol.:P


That's OK....Just do like the industry does and SUE HIM!

[saulin]

How do newsgroups compare to Oink for lossless music?


Well from what I heard Oink has all kinds of music and everything well seeded but newsgroups have everything released in the scene and with a good premium news server you can get over 100 days of retention at lightning speeds and even some hard to find stuff but I still think that P2P programs are the best to find just about any type of music out there. If I want new music I will get it from newsgroups and if I want hard to find stuff I'll look for it on Limewire Pro.