Strange Sound, Screeching Songs...et Cetera

[TikTak]

Originally posted by Gre1@8 September 2003 - 17:41
This should have not been moved it should have been closed.
agreed..... if only people looked before leaping ;)

[CrumbCat]

Try this link:

http://www.piczonline.com/client/crumbcat2/pinned%20-%20screeching.jpg (http://www.klboard.ath.cx/index.php?showtopic=49358)

Go there and read the topic. It will solve all your problems.

This Link for Dummies has been brought to you as a courtesy of CrumbCat.
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[liquidstorm]

anyways~~ damn u RIAA :angry: !! Free music forever!~

[Dave Grohl]

Please Sign The Petition To Stop The RIAA (http://www.petitiononline.com/riaawar/petition.html)

We Shall Win This Not Them.
The P2P World
Against The RIAA World ha ha ha Were :lol: :D :P B) :rolleyes: Laughing at em...

[Lostuser]

For some reason when I download some songs and play them they sound fine but then some parts throughout the song will have this loud screeching metal sound. Why does this happen and is there any way I can prevent it from happening? Or is it just because of the user that uploaded it?

[3rd gen noob]

http://www.klboard.ath.cx/index.php?showtopic=49358

[Alpha_Caesar]

This tends to happen to newly released songs. This is seemingly done to 'discourage' P2P users from downloading music. All I can say is keep looking for the song you want. Stop by the Musicworld forum and take a look at the pinned topic that discusses this same issue.

[Paganini]

not too much to do just update your ip blocker and hope every one update too
there are some people that delibery do this to make the music share obsolet so be sure to delet the corrupted file so nobary will get that error from you

[Lostuser]

thank you again. you seem to answer all my questions :P

[jimmyjimjames]

This morning i was watch a program on television and they have scrolling text along the bottom, this is what i saw:

Music industry sues file-swappers

This shocked the hell out of me, i wondered....SHIT..this isnt good
I have done my research today and found a news website, Ninemsn.com.au
and i had a read of the report and this has really turned me off using Kazaa, what is your thoughts on this??? Ninemsn News: Music Industry Sues P2P Users Report (http://news.ninemsn.com.au/Sci_Tech/story_4960.asp)


12:06 AEST Tue 9 Sep 2003

Music industry sues file-swappers


AFP - The recording industry, stepping up its battle against online piracy, has filed 261 lawsuits against internet users accused of illegal music-swapping.

The Recording Industry Association of America said the civil suits target internet users of so-called peer-to-peer networks who have exchanged an average of 1,000 songs online.

The move marked a new legal tactic for the industry, which until now had targeted companies that operated music-swapping websites and a few internet users operating large-scale unauthorised music sharing.

"Our goal here is not to be vindictive or punitive. It's simply to get P2P users to stop offering music that doesn't belong to them," said RIAA president Carey Sherman.

The RIAA said at the same time it would offer amnesty to persons under investigation who pledge in writing to stop unauthorised music file-sharing.

"Our offer is simple and we think reasonable: if you voluntarily come forward, sign a declaration promising to destroy all the illegal copies that you may have made in the past, destroy illegally obtained files and not illegally distribute music in the future, we will promise not to take any legal action against you for your past activities," Sherman said in a conference call from Washington.

The RIAA, which brought down the popular Napster file-sharing system in 2001, failed in court to shut down peer-to-peer networks such as Kazaa and Grokster because they have no central servers that store music but instead allow users to share files amongst themselves.

In June, the RIAA -- which represents the major music labels including Universal, Sony, Warner, BMG and EMI -- announced plans to start collecting evidence for thousands of lawsuits in a bid to crack down on illegal online music swapping, which the industry blames for the slump in legitimate sales.

Some have criticised the new tactic of the music industry, saying it could target millions of people and in some cases make parents liable for music-swapping by their children.

But Sherman said he hopes the legal action will prompt parents to pay more attention to potentially illegal activities by their children.

"We expect people to say 'It isn't me, it was my kid,' but someone has to take responsibility," Sherman said in a conference call.

Sherman said the suits target the internet account holders where "that computer has been used for illegal purposes."

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I feel really bad now..... so ummm what to do??? :unsure:
I'll go hide :ph34r:

[Dave Grohl]

This is getting stupid now. (oh better close my ears i can hear music from a car coming down the road) I am still going to use kazaa and soulseek. We should stand up to them. Bombard RIAA's E-mail with loads of shit. Send RIAA viruses. FUCK THE RIAA.

[ClassLess]

I just thought I would add this but I was looking for some of the new dashboard stuff and I kept getting all the screeching noises. After reading this topic I decided to have a closer look at some of the users it was coming from. And I found something quite weird. Multiple users with the same exact files. I'm gonna guess they're all fake files. I saw some new thursday tracks etc. I think basically these users need to be weeded out.

[cybersurfr]

We all have rights, and we all need to use them, besides they charge way to much for music cd's now anyways

[JKR]

I posted this last night, However , I POSTED IT IN THE WRONG THREAD...

:unsure: :blink: :unsure: :blink: :( :( :(

OK everyone at ONCE..... "NEWBE" Ha, ha, ha

Oh well.....

So here is my tid-bit
Suggestion....

Get everyone [well as many as possible]
To Re-Name known "screach" files and leave it on their HDD...

Example: [Screach-Led Zepplin-Whole Lota Love]...

most of us have the HDD room to spare...
and at least the screachin $hit files will be identified as well as
Identifying a non RIAA user to have other clean files...

If everyone just eliminated the bad files
The Dick-Heads [AKA-RIAA] will just keep flooding the system with more...

May I also suggest from there,
to have K++ add a blocker
for any file with the word "screach" in it

Then warn the person downloading, Via a dialog box

[Warning...! This file may be / is corrupt, Do you wish to continue with download?]

I'm no programmer, however, it sounds doable to me !



Also I noticed lately when performing a search by song title....
If I Un-Plus the combined file as a potential download,
Not only is there different file sizes,
There are also different artists listed with the same song...

Dean Martin-whole lotta love.... mixed in with Led Zep-whole lotta love ! ! !

I belive this is how MR Smart Ass with his
"Screachy-Scratchy-Attachy" Machine is pulling this off...

He cant alter songs without the artist's permission and a lot of legal crap
"PER SONG" <Big Bucks>

However, he can write a code to combine non related songs with only one similar attribute [whole lotta love]
and override K++ and others file Exact Matching code....

At any rate it was just a thought... Or Two

JKR

[DarkEnigma]

:angry: ...This post is for all those KaZaA users out there sharing music. Can you do us all a favor and please delete those fucking corrupted files from your shared folder so that they won&#39;t show up in searches. I am sick of having to wait to download a song only to listen to the damn thing and then 10 secs later I nearly hit the ceiling because of that loud screeching noise. Is it really too hard to delete them? If they are no good why keep them on your machines?&#33;? Perhaps you are working for RIAA... :angry:

[mogadishu]

do u think every kazaa user is on this board?

[loz]

You think the majority of them files are shared by genuine users?

[devere]

i need help here, when i download a song and then listen to it, it plays alright for about the first 10-15 secs, then all of a sudden a strange shrieking noise starts up and the song is buggered, ive tried several songs and the same thing, they cant all have something wrong as some are rated as excellent.

has anyone else had this problem??

please help cus i cant downlpad anythign that works&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; :(

[Guillaume]

Your file is a fake, they&#39;ve been discussed many, many times in the last few weeks.
Find ll about it here: http://www.klboard.ath.cx/index.php?showtopic=49358

[Adster]

ok all you ppl who think its the RIAA doing the whole thing&#33;&#33;

why arnt the RIAA smart enough to do it on older releases if they supposingly have so much bandwith??

[nerblet]

Those who understand will be bored by this - but it might help some others make sense of what&#39;s going on.

There have been a lot of references here to "fake files". It turns out though it&#39;s much more evil than just planting some fake files. RIAA&#39;s hackers are taking advantage of a serious flaw in Kazaa&#39;s Hashing system to plant files which as far as the KAZAA search algorithms are concerned are identical to the real files. In reality parts of these files have been replaced with the &#39;orrible noise people are compaining about.

Because the bad files look the same to Kazaa as the good ones, and because when you download you usually download pieces of the file from multiple sources it&#39;s totally possible to get a corrupted piece with that &#39;orrible noise from one user that effectively ruins your whole download, and also creates yet another corrupted version of the file.

The defect in the Kazza protocols is that the identification of a song for the purposes of search is based on a "hash" : this is a large number computed by say adding all of the bytes of data in the song together and taking the last N digits or bits (in reality a fancier algorithm would be used). Kazza fucked up big time because they designed their hash algorithm to only include certain chunks of the file rather then every single byte and which chunks are included (and not) is very well known. So RIAA can fool the hash algorithm by trashing the bytes of the file which aren&#39;t included in the hash calculation. The trashed file will then have the same hash as the good file and will be downloaded as part of it.

What is really "nice" here is that this spreads corrupted sections of the file into new downloads due to Kazaa&#39;s multi-source feature - it spreads almost like a virus. Narsti&#33;

The one thing that everyone can do now is to DELETE CORRUPTED FILES IMMEDIATELY&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

Beyond that, if KLite could download files into a non-shared directory then people could listen to the files to make sure they&#39;re OK before sharing them. KLite could implement features to support verifying files and moving them to shared.

In the end it may be necessary for Kazaa to fix their hash algorithm in which case software will probably need to be upgraded. Whether in the present legal climate they will feel safe fixing their bug is open to question.

And by the way, the defect that RIAA exploits is not inherently limited to any one bandwidth - if they aren&#39;t planting 192 bit rate files today, it&#39;s only because they ain&#39;t gotten around to it - they could.

[RealitY]

Read http://www.klboard.ath.cx/index.php?act=ST...=15#entry478392 (http://www.klboard.ath.cx/index.php?act=ST&f=48&t=63005&st=15#entry478392).

[andy257]

Hi Guys

not sure what is wrong here but i just tried to download black eyed peas and didos new songs and they download fine ,lots of people sharing.

BUT

when i come to play them they start off fine but after about 8 seconds the song goes all daft (it sounds like a really fast distorted machine gun)

wtf is happening here?

anyone else having problems?

andy

[ilw]

Search the forum for &#39;screechy mp3&#39;

[Livy]

also please resize ur sig and avatar within the rules http://www.klboard.ath.cx/index.php?showtopic=22529
u have 24hours to change it, or it may be removed by the mods.

[pol]

@andy257

you can link to these

http://www.chinkii.com/uploads/album/guys/2.gifhttp://www.chinkii.com/uploads/album/guys/1.gif

[MUSLEMAN]

go here for mp3 sound problems (http://www.klboard.ath.cx/index.php?showtopic=49358)

[[B][O][T]]

Another one to merge

BOT

[CommunismCouldWork]

Hey don&#39;t know how many of you are having this problem but on some .mp3 files you get a really nasty horrible screeching sound about twenty-thirty seconds in. Personally I think this may well be the first sign that RIAA are turning up the heat. As most of you know when you download files off people if there is more than one user it will partition and spread that download out dependent on bandwidth and then repiece it together once its complete. Now what seems to be happening is certain users (RIAA plants) are putting up corrupted files or messed up versions within these normal files to mess it up. You could say oh its the people that don&#39;t know how to make .mp3&#39;s but so far I know of fifty people effected by the same problem and all of us are into very different artists. It also seems rather odd that it is the new albums that have all the errors and when it is not the new albums its ones where people have not put the album name.

Anyway if anyone else knows of this problem and has a definite answer for why its occuring then great. Otherwise I think the war between us (P2P users) and them (RIAA etc) may well be starting to escalate.

[MUSLEMAN]

Originally posted by CommunismCouldWork@12 September 2003 - 14:16
Hey don&#39;t know how many of you are having this problem but on some .mp3 files you get a really nasty horrible screeching sound about twenty-thirty seconds in. Personally I think this may well be the first sign that RIAA are turning up the heat. As most of you know when you download files off people if there is more than one user it will partition and spread that download out dependent on bandwidth and then repiece it together once its complete. Now what seems to be happening is certain users (RIAA plants) are putting up corrupted files or messed up versions within these normal files to mess it up. You could say oh its the people that don&#39;t know how to make .mp3&#39;s but so far I know of fifty people effected by the same problem and all of us are into very different artists. It also seems rather odd that it is the new albums that have all the errors and when it is not the new albums its ones where people have not put the album name.

Anyway if anyone else knows of this problem and has a definite answer for why its occuring then great. Otherwise I think the war between us (P2P users) and them (RIAA etc) may well be starting to escalate.
here riaa (http://www.klboard.ath.cx/index.php?showtopic=49358)

[H4LOG3N]

Okay, so does anyone have any real solutions to this, or do I just keep reading about more people with the same problem?

[TheFilePirater]

ok to clear this up

RIAA has spread mp3s with annoying "noises" in them to stop p2p (peer2peer [for the slow kids]) users from downloading and sharing them, but the common KaZaA (KMD) user doesn&#39;t know a thing about it so, they keep on sharing them thinking it&#39;s their computer messing up or so on..

im guessing their is a program that the riaa uses to cut out parts and replace wit the noise

the only tips i could give u is to get the newst kazaa lite vers (K++ and kazaa lite have merged)

and to use the search filters, like enter the name of the artists,bitrate,qaulity AND most important - now the files wit more ppl are bad

[kurtsl0an]

wow - this is the first time i&#39;ve heard of this bein a problem&#33;

that sounds really strange 2 me - <_<

i sure wish klite had a faq. :)

[sharedholder]

Must read the NEW(BIE) FAQ.

[kurtsl0an]

Originally posted by sharedholder@12 September 2003 - 23:04
Must read the NEW(BIE) FAQ.
i hope u know i was bein a smart ace.

ur avatar is scarin me. :(

[Celerystalksme]

Originally posted by kurtsl0an+13 September 2003 - 09:09--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (kurtsl0an @ 13 September 2003 - 09:09)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-sharedholder@12 September 2003 - 23:04
Must read the NEW(BIE) FAQ.
i hope u know i was bein a smart ace.

ur avatar is scarin me. :( [/b][/quote]
smart ass would be more fitting :D

[mikenmike0001]

:angry: i have downloaded the newest version, like for instance, i got a song that had like 1200 users with it and it still had screech noises.........so ANNOYING.........and the song is like a month old already.

[Celerystalksme]

:ermm:

[howardzinn]

<_<
So if it is a hashing exploit that some organisation (RIAA or hacker or ...) is exploting, does that mean that every new song traded within the network from now will have the problem?

Or just the &#39;infected&#39; files which have been added recently?
I have downloaded every version of a john mayer song I could find - none work.

This may be the end of kazaa as we know it unless they fix this exploit quickly - people will look for other progs/P2P network apps immediately. There goes their advertising revenue (are you listening kazaaaa?)

:(

[Adster]

damm screeching :angry:

[jayBdey]

I have never downloaded a song with the "blank noise" but I don’t download any rap/hip hop/pop and those are the most effected.

Some of my friends have downloaded a few bad songs.

[Celerystalksme]

http://www.klboard.ath.cx/style_images/1/icon12.gif

[mogadishu]

Originally posted by Celerystalksme@14 September 2003 - 19:44
http://www.klboard.ath.cx/style_images/1/icon12.gif
omg&#33;.. i just got a screeching mp3 on soulseek&#33;&#33;&#33;..i dl johnny cash hurt, cus i was too lazy to wait for the full ablum, and guess what.. it was a screecher.

[Celerystalksme]

Originally posted by mogadishu+15 September 2003 - 11:26--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (mogadishu @ 15 September 2003 - 11:26)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Celerystalksme@14 September 2003 - 19:44
http://www.klboard.ath.cx/style_images/1/icon12.gif
omg&#33;.. i just got a screeching mp3 on soulseek&#33;&#33;&#33;..i dl johnny cash hurt, cus i was too lazy to wait for the full ablum, and guess what.. it was a screecher. [/b][/quote]
:angry: tsk tsk...thats what u get for searching for single mp3&#39;s

[mogadishu]

i promise i wont do it again, it looked like an ok file, it was 320 bitrate too.

[Celerystalksme]

Originally posted by mogadishu@15 September 2003 - 11:48
i promise i wont do it again, it looked like an ok file, it was 320 bitrate too.
good boy...and don&#39;t trust any single file :)

[quentarez]

Just to clear this up for everyone:

No, the screeching noise is NOT a virus. The screeching noises you hear are mp3s that are being distributed over the network by both the music industry (in a futile attempt to discourage us) and by those who don&#39;t know any better and rip a copy protected cd and share it.

The screeching noise you hear is ACTUAL sound information recorded in the file (I do music editing and just opened it up in sound forge)...

So don&#39;t worry about some virus, just get the latest banned ip files from www.k-lite.tk and that helps reduce it. If you do get a screecher just keep searching for the song and eventually you will get a good one... since the screeches start fairly early in the song, it shouldn&#39;t be too hard to just preview what you have downloaded to make sure.

For the admins/programmers:

Something I noticed when I opened up some of the screechers is this: some of them seem to cut out either the left or right channel COMPLETELY... I was wondering if it would be possible to write something into klite (perhaps a plugin?) that examines the data in the mp3 file periodically as it downloads... if it encounters what it thinks is a bad mp3, it could (according to your specifications) flag it, cancle the download, or continue. When flagged the text in your traffic window for the bad file would turn red, thus warning you to preview it and make sure it is ok. Most of the screechers I have heard also use repetative patterns at extremely loud volume... would it be possible to write something to recognize that as well?

Thanks for klite.. it kicks ass&#33;&#33; I hope this helped some people out&#33; :D

[DRACOJOE2]

[SIZE=7]The Screeching sounds are fake copies of popular files. I haVE TRIED TO DOWNLOAD COLD STUPID GIRL AND THEY HAVE PUT OUT SO MANY FAKES THAT IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO GET UNLESS YOU SET KAZAA TO DOWNLOAD FROM ONLY ONE PERSON AT A TIME BECAUSE IF YOU DOWNLOAD THE SOME FROM 20 DIFFERENT PEOPLE DURING THE DOWNLOAD YOU ARE BOUND TO GET A BAD PART IN THERE SOMEWHERE. aFTER SETTING IT TO DOWNLOAD FROM ONLY ONE PERSON I GOT THE GOOD FILE. IT MAY BE A LITTLE SLOWER BUT IF IT IS SOMETHING YOU WANT THATS HOW TO GET IT WITHOUT THE BAD PARTS. hOPE THIS MAKES SENSE TO YALL LOL.

[Celerystalksme]

Originally posted by DRACOJOE2@16 September 2003 - 01:54
[SIZE=7]The Screeching sounds are fake copies of popular files. I haVE TRIED TO DOWNLOAD COLD STUPID GIRL AND THEY HAVE PUT OUT SO MANY FAKES THAT IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO GET UNLESS YOU SET KAZAA TO DOWNLOAD FROM ONLY ONE PERSON AT A TIME BECAUSE IF YOU DOWNLOAD THE SOME FROM 20 DIFFERENT PEOPLE DURING THE DOWNLOAD YOU ARE BOUND TO GET A BAD PART IN THERE SOMEWHERE. aFTER SETTING IT TO DOWNLOAD FROM ONLY ONE PERSON I GOT THE GOOD FILE. IT MAY BE A LITTLE SLOWER BUT IF IT IS SOMETHING YOU WANT THATS HOW TO GET IT WITHOUT THE BAD PARTS. hOPE THIS MAKES SENSE TO YALL LOL.
Yes it makes complete sense...and great taste in music with Cold :)

[StarfishUK]

hi, whenever i try to download a file

and then play it

it comes up with the beginning of the song, then makes a horrible noise that sounds like its a modem or something, all corrupted and hissy

what can i do?

mike

[StarfishUK]

hi, whenever i try to download some audio files (not all but most)

and then play it

it comes up with the beginning of the song, then makes a horrible noise that sounds like its a modem or something, all corrupted and hissy

what can i do?

mike

[Valmont]

the file u downloaded is a fake&#33;
the noise comes from the file - some bastards try to share and distribute them all over kazaa.
unfortunately there r a lot of fakes out there, especially new music.
in the beginning play all downloaded files first to find out whether they&#39;re fakes or not.

[StarfishUK]

how can i play them, before i download?

[Neogeno]

Right click on the download and press preview&#33;

[Guillaume]

Originally posted by StarfishUK@15 September 2003 - 20:18
what can i do?

first read all about it here: http://www.klboard.ath.cx/index.php?showtopic=49358
then, erase the file and prevent it spreading even more.

[nikita69]

BOT, please merge this http://www.klboard.ath.cx/index.php?showtopic=67110

[CPL_P_USMC]

I too am getting these strange noises. I think everyone is getting the same screeching noise. Anyway....I tried to download some newly released songs and they all had that noise. Then I tried an older song like Back in Black, and nothing. I tried this over and over with different new songs...the same thing. I think it is the RIAA.

As far as I&#39;m concerned, this is just a speed bump they are trying to set up. Someone will eventually make a program or a patch that will bypass, delete, or identify these crap music files. It&#39;s only a matter of time.

As for file sharing.........IT WILL NEVER STOP&#33; There will always be ways around everything that is tried to stop it.

Electronic media...it&#39;s a bitch to control&#33;

[nyer82]

Has anyone been downloading any tunes lately, specifically say...the daredevil soundtrack and found halfway into the song it sounds like someone dialed a non-working number, it goes beep beep beep, and then the song continues?

SOOOOO many people are sharing these. How could they have no idea and not delete them.

Here is a quick work around, if you find a particular song ALWAYS having beeps, type the title and artist in the "advanced search screen", and then type....

"no beeps" in the the top search box and check all. Now it will search for "no beeps" somewhere in the song description.

[MUSLEMAN]

Originally posted by nyer82@15 September 2003 - 19:28
Has anyone been downloading any tunes lately, specifically say...the daredevil soundtrack and found halfway into the song it sounds like someone dialed a non-working number, it goes beep beep beep, and then the song continues?

SOOOOO many people are sharing these. How could they have no idea and not delete them.

Here is a quick work around, if you find a particular song ALWAYS having beeps, type the title and artist in the "advanced search screen", and then type....

"no beeps" in the the top search box and check all. Now it will search for "no beeps" somewhere in the song description.
yes as long as somebody bothered to put that in the details

[nyer82]

Yeah basically you have to hope someone was nice and said it was a good version

[clocker]

I&#39;m gonna go through all 1400 or so of my MP3 files and start adding that to the description.
One at a time.

Oh, wait a minute.

No I&#39;m not.

[MUSLEMAN]

Originally posted by nyer82@15 September 2003 - 19:32
Yeah basically you have to hope someone was nice and said it was a good version
if every body was going to be that smart, you would not have to do that to begin with

[nikita69]

forgive me for asking, but are u/is he talking about KL++ or cell rings here?? when my phone does that i just hangup :lol:

[MUSLEMAN]

Originally posted by nikita69@15 September 2003 - 19:43
forgive me for asking, but are u/is he talking about KL++ or cell rings here?? when my phone does that i just hangup :lol:
k++

[nyer82]

You only need the description if its for a music file thats IMPOSSIBLE to find without the bleeps.

[CPL_P_USMC]

EVERYONE,

Instead of talking about this problem more, does anyone have any suggestions to stop these files from spreading?

I have a suggestion even though it may take some time to see results.

There are Kazaa users out there who are oblivious to this even happening, and they keep spreading the bad mp3&#39;s around. I thought about maybe spreading around a notepad file or any file that said a message in the title to delete these bad mp3&#39;s. This would bring some attention to it. I would put it in the Title and Description areas so they would see it just from a search, and not have to open the file. Keywords that relate to this problem could be used for the search results. Put it in CAPS>

Example...

DELETE ALL BAD MP3&#39;S

DELETE SCREECHING SONGS

There are a lot of us on this board and those small messages can spread like wild fire. I think something can be done about it.

Let me know what you think. If someone has a better idea, good&#33; Post it&#33;

[wormless]

i think thats a good idea but will it work? it should shouldn&#39;t it?

[Dieris]

If it is the RIAA it not the good peeps spreading this sh*t around, its them and we can help the fact that some RIAA jackass is on kazaa spreadin bad stuff around. If NOBODY attempts to download the "3206" or something like that bandwidth files they will stop doing it.

[LEGALIZE-MARIJUANA]

B) There are a few tracks out there that have weird sounds in them; likely recorded improperly. I have Joe budden W/O the extra sounds.

SCAN ALL FILES FOR VIRUSES
:)

[Adster]

glad someone read th pinned thread :)

[Plowhead]

Trying to download songs, and when I preview the song during the download, it is scrambled after 10-20 seconds. I tried jumpiong supernodes and it didn&#39;t help. Any suggestions?

Musleman- don&#39;t tell me to look at faq&#39;s its not there&#33;

[3rd gen noob]

search

[MUSLEMAN]

Originally posted by Plowhead@18 September 2003 - 22:13
Trying to download songs, and when I preview the song during the download, it is scrambled after 10-20 seconds. I tried jumpiong supernodes and it didn&#39;t help. Any suggestions?

Musleman- don&#39;t tell me to look at faq&#39;s its not there&#33;
it the riaa go here for info (http://www.klboard.ath.cx/index.php?showtopic=49358) and here to try and fix it kcchecker (http://www.geocities.com/ian_l_williams/) :lol:

[Cashkeith]

well i have dsl and i have the same problem but it was only with one song MYa-My love is like wo

[jess4bp]

If you think thats bad, im running in to files that hang my computer. I tell you, its one thing to put corrupted files out there. I can understand that, but if they DDOS me, thats going too far, it is not in their right to punish. These guys need to be stopped&#33;&#33;&#33; :blink: :angry:

Rubberneckin -remix of elvis&#39;s song. IF you are going to verify this POS. If using K++ theater, the only way that I have been able to survive with out a reset is to hold my pointer over the stop button. Usually about 32 seconds in to the song it fades to silence and then your computer goes from a 2.2ghz to a 2hz cpu. :(
... winamp just floats thru the silence.... but doesnt hang.

[m3rcenary]

the strange thing is that some of the files in question have around 400 holders&#33; why do ppl hang on to these files?

[Adster]

the strange thing is that some of the files in question have around 400 holders&#33; why do ppl hang on to these files?

yes thats what im trying to tell ppl but they don&#39;t listen just continue to believe taht the RIAA has every single fake file on there. the reason Users keep them???

it used to be the PL for the exuse well kazaa is easy user firendy P2P program so most noobs go there just simply dont know how to delete couldnt be bothered

and yes if it is the RIAA I always thought that sharing was illegal by there manner damm there sharing too so what ppl think and why only new releases get effected?? many questions but not enough answers

[gungygussit]

Actually i&#39;ll tell u whats going on, my cousin used to work for a company called "Audio Soft", who delt with linking the web with mp3 piracy.

Whats your hearing is a new type of "virus" that is sent around P2P networks like kazaa and DC++, it doesn&#39;t do damage except for encode the audio files after 12 seconds, as far as i know its incurable, unless u made it, which i didn&#39;t.

I have been testing how far it has gotten, on kazaa lite alone, it has almost everyone including me. You will experience a screeching sound after a period of around 10-20 seconds of the first part of the mp3, it can infect mp3&#39;s and other various audio files. I will try to gain more information about this, if you have anymore inquiries about it, please contact me at "[email protected]"

[Celerystalksme]

goto www.tshirthell.com (http://www.tshirthell.com) and buy this shirt

http://www.tshirthell.com/shirts/products/a251/a251_a_32.jpg

[NinjaAndHippo]

:ph34r: :ph34r: :ph34r: Know who i hate? THE MOHFUCKIN RIAA&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; a group of f*cktards that can&#39;t get over that they&#39;re too old now to get a good blowjob. if i had ANY disposable income, i&#39;d buy a thousand of those shirts. :ph34r: :ph34r: :ph34r:

[LostKid]

I can&#39;t believe I read the whole thing -- I tried to download Reality and was much dismayed upon the realisation that all eleven tracks were nothing but sardonic silence trailing thirty-some seconds of The Jean Genie. Someone on page eight of this massive thread related something similar.
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Okay, I just downloaded Go to sleep and got a earful of screeching clicks. Nice.
Just great. I wonder... How much of the fifteen bucks cds sell for these days actually goes to the artists? I wonder if it&#39;s more or less than what the INDUSTRY spends on defacing the music and fighting its freedom.

[wormless]

get another download prog (e.g. winmx e.t.c.) an run kazza 2 and compare em

[NinjaAndHippo]

Here&#39;s what I say...
When you tape a song off the radio, you&#39;re getting a free copy of a song you like without the record label caring. When you download a song off the internet, you&#39;re getting a free copy of a song, and the RIAA sues you for thousands of dollars, even if you&#39;re only twelve years old (Haven&#39;t heard? Click here (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,96797,00.html).) What&#39;s the difference? Sure, it&#39;s better quality, but so is the upgrade from VHS to DVD or tiVo. So f*ck off RIAA. Too bad technology passed you by, how bout you stop crying about it.

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by NinjaAndHippo@20 September 2003 - 05:41
Here&#39;s what I say...
When you tape a song off the radio, you&#39;re getting a free copy of a song you like without the record label caring. When you download a song off the internet, you&#39;re getting a free copy of a song, and the RIAA sues you for thousands of dollars, even if you&#39;re only twelve years old (Haven&#39;t heard? Click here (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,96797,00.html).) What&#39;s the difference? Sure, it&#39;s better quality, but so is the upgrade from VHS to DVD or tiVo. So f*ck off RIAA. Too bad technology passed you by, how bout you stop crying about it.
when you record content from radio (which is illegal depending on local laws), it has been paid for (by radio station)
when you dl the same song from internet, only one person has paid for it (a small amount of money), so the record company loses out a lot more...

[Adster]

Well when I first started downloading I was under teh empression that it was only illegeal if you sold it and made money out of it yourself

[Rogue Warrior]

Originally posted by Adster@20 September 2003 - 06:05
Well when I first started downloading I was under teh empression that it was only illegeal if you sold it and made money out of it yourself
My music teacher was explaining that they only go after people that burn them and sell them. But she knows shit about technology. I have been using KaZaA for about a year or so and never had this fuckin problem and it pisses me off&#33; I was thinkin it was the RIAA, too. If they have their panties in a bunch over all this shit, then why dont they just shut down the source? :rolleyes: Christ they&#39;re all a bunch of dumb asses.

[billyfridge]

if you are downloading celine dion the noise is normal :P

[Adster]

agreed

[chinook_apache]

hey all. yeah i got that too. the screeching got me really p***@@&#39;d off. it happens when i try to download the new mp3 tracks. i would guess its the riaa. no offence but k-lite has got pretty crap with all these viruses spyware mpaa and riaa going on. i have ditched kazaa lite and gone for shareaza which lets me download bt files and ed2k files get that ppl k-lites gone poop&#33; :P

[Celerystalksme]

Originally posted by billyfridge@21 September 2003 - 14:28
if you are downloading celine dion the noise is normal :P
http://www.klboard.ath.cx/style_images/1/icon12.gif

[Rappy]

I am haveing that problem expically with the newer songs but i downloaded it from like 40 users why is this happening is there something wrong with the feature which downloads from more than one person

[EMCO]

hi all,
if you rip a copy right cd to the computer rip it like this.
1. play the cd via a normal cd-player and conect it on the LINE IN of the pc.
2. take a recorder software to record a song via the LINE IN.
3. make from the WAVE file an MP3 file with an encoder (CDEXE) in JStereo.

so now you have a clear and good ripped file&#33;

[Cashkeith]

Riaa must be stopped :angry:

[wormless]

riaa cant be stopped cus they will sue u if u go ear them

[Spider_dude]

*Spider_dude slaps the Riaa with his cock


p.s. doesn&#39;t the old marker pen trick work?

[Gre1]

Originally posted by Spider_dude@24 September 2003 - 09:15
*Spider_dude slaps the Riaa with his cock


p.s. doesn&#39;t the old marker pen trick work?
U have to get reallll close to their face don&#39;t u. :lol: :lol: Just playing but my hitmen below are about to take the RIAA out. :lol:

[daekraven]

Pray people for we are in dark times...

There have been many attempts to stop P2P file sharing and to stop music and movie companies losing money. First they closed down Napster... but we came back. Now we have a very real threat to file sharing which you know as the screeching static sounds found in songs you download and will spread like a worm through popular songs.

The way it works is like this:

The music companies will put out a song on the internet that is labelled correctly but is actually full of static. As the file size and length and bitrate will be correct there is no way of detecting these rogue files. P2P, when downloading from multiple users, works by taking chunks of the file from different users. So when someone downloads from this file they will get a small chunk of screeching in their music file. As a small amount is OK they keep the file, which is then downloaded off them again and the screeching spreads. It cannot be removed because it is practicaly undetectable, the screeching, although mostly random, can camoflague in with normal music so only a human, or very sophisticated AI, would be able to distinguish it from normal interference.

Having read all these posts on the forum I can safely tell everyone that this is no virus, and although RIAA itself might be behind these rogue files it is no program of theirs. Reinstalling Kazaa Lite or any other P2P program will not help this problem. In fact it has nothing to do with any of your machines, it is far worse...

Several groups are working on music integrity checking to eliminate this threat but until this is finished anyone who has a music file with the slightest screeching must remove it from their computer so only valid files remain.

- Daek Raven

[tiredofthis]

I am sorry if I missed the answer somewhere along the way but EVERY SONG I GET FROM KLITE has the terrible sound after a few seconds it doesn&#39;t matter if the song is old or new it doesn&#39;t matter quality or how many people have it. It also doesn&#39;t matter if my filter is on or off. I made a post earlier this morning and got a link to another chat that was no help and listed all the things that I said did not matter. Is there an option that I am not thinking of or one that I have missed. Once again I am sorry if the answer is right in front of me but I am missing it if it is.

[nikita69]

congrats, u&#39;ve just asked the gazillion times question. please, search this forum first before post. IT&#39;S THE RIAA. Go thru my sig links for more helpful tips.

welcome aboard. :)

[Broken]

in short,

riaa putting bad songs on kazaa to mess with file swappers...

advice, keep downloading until you find what you want.

if your on a 56k, then your *ucked.

:&#39;(

[Keikan]

Congratulation you are the 100 000 000th person to ask us this question, Now you owe us &#036;10

[Gre1]

Also, try reading this guide Sreechy (http://www.klboard.ath.cx/index.php?showtopic=62174) and that should help u.

[nikita69]

Originally posted by Broken@25 September 2003 - 11:40
advice, keep downloading until you find what you want.
before that, i&#39;d suggest he goes thru my sig links, there are some ways he could try. :)


if your on a 56k, then your *ucked.
nice welcome aboard note :)
tiredofthis, if u can upgrade to higher speed, do so, otherwise, u have to do extra tweaking, yet limited, with ur pc and other installed software. some tips are found in my sig. :)

[tiredofthis]

I have tried all of this and searched for the same file I have even called a friend to look for the same file at the same time and theirs come up good and mine comes up with the everlasting screeeeeching that everyone knows about.

[Gre1]

Originally posted by Keikan@25 September 2003 - 00:41
Congratulation you are the 100 000 000th person to ask us this question, Now you owe us &#036;10
This has been changed it&#39;s now u have to pay &#036;30 to :lol: each person who replied in that topic

[tiredofthis]

no 56k here

[nikita69]

Originally posted by tiredofthis@25 September 2003 - 11:46
I have tried all of this and searched for the same file I have even called a friend to look for the same file at the same time and theirs come up good and mine comes up with the everlasting screeeeeching that everyone knows about.
bud, what u dl was the fake riaa for the same file. what ur friend dl got the real/good file. follow my sig links, ul thank me later. :)

[[B][O][T]]

^ Merged some topic&#39;s....again :)

BOT

[Jibbler]

Originally posted by nikita69+25 September 2003 - 01:48--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (nikita69 @ 25 September 2003 - 01:48)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-tiredofthis@25 September 2003 - 11:46
I have tried all of this and searched for the same file I have even called a friend to look for the same file at the same time and theirs come up good and mine comes up with the everlasting screeeeeching that everyone&nbsp; knows about.
bud, what u dl was the fake riaa for the same file. what ur friend dl got the real/good file. follow my sig links, ul thank me later. :) [/b][/quote]
With all due respect, your guide can be helpful, but its useless for people trying to use the verifieds. Check out this thread (http://www.klboard.ath.cx/index.php?showtopic=69425&st=0&#entry524442) and tell me what you think. Is someone (read: RIAA) uploading duplicate files as fakes? Mostly likely yes. Can someone explain why the hashes for the fake and the real files are the same? :huh:

[Ella]

OK...don&#39;t flame me. I have never downloaded a song that has odd screeching sounds in it until today....and I&#39;ve downloaded over 1200 tunes from KLite. So I download 3 tunes by Aussie band Jet and all through the songs I hear this screeching sound. Is that what it&#39;s all about? How fricken&#39; annoying&#33;&#33;

So now I know, hey??? :angry:

[Gre1]

Yep, look here for ways to avoid geting them.

http://www.klboard.ath.cx/index.php?showtopic=62174

[Ella]

Thanks for that...I&#39;m pretty sure I followed the instructions OK and still got a version that screeched. There was about 75 users sharing the file. So...dunno.... :blink:

[PulseDragon]

Just a thought but maybe we need a new tool for kazaa that stop ppl with bandwidth of say 1200 and higher to be cut from being downloaded from or not found at all. Just an idea but maybe something to be looked into. :blink:

[Ella]

Just for the record, I ended up IM&#39;ing a user asking if the version had screeching, the answer was no, so I got a good version.

[mogadishu]

Originally posted by Ella@25 September 2003 - 04:11
Just for the record, I ended up IM&#39;ing a user asking if the version had screeching, the answer was no, so I got a good version.
i cant believe no one thought of that. why not just pm the person. I forgot you could do that on kazaa.

[Chris P Bacon]

I have been having problems getting a clean MP3 downloaded off kazaa. Been taking the top 100 off a site and trying to download but when I listen to them most all I get is squeling and skreeching noises (some download fine and not so much on the older songs). Whats up with that? Is somebody purposley doing this to turn us away from downloading the new releases? Thanks

[Autumn Fox]

You&#39;ve downloaded corrupted MP3&#39;s, it&#39;s one of the way in which RIAA fights with illegal sharing of files with copyright content.

[Skank]

theres quite a few threads around with your problem mate..have a look through the search feature if u wanna know more about it

[[B][O][T]]

Check the pinned topic in musicworld

BOT

[dawnie]

I have tried several times to download gloria estefan - unwrapped and also dido&#39;s new album, on both albums all they play is an old track no matter which one you click on, any ideas?

[MUSLEMAN]

you did not close this one bot?? :lol:
here for more info (http://www.klboard.ath.cx/index.php?showtopic=49358)
here to try and fix it (http://www.geocities.com/ian_l_williams/)

[libertyordeath]

ahhhhh i hav ebeen wonderin about that i thought it was me to say the least its pissin me offfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff sry for the bad explression anyway we can get around it besides that my downloads are so slow i connect at like 0.43 kb/sec :|:| thats messed up whats the problem i am on 56k but i have never connected that bad im my whole kazaa career lol anyway ttyl

[libertyordeath]

What is a codec and what the heck is Riaa i would really like to kno thx fellas

[MUSLEMAN]

Originally posted by libertyordeath@26 September 2003 - 23:39
ahhhhh i hav ebeen wonderin about that i thought it was me to say the least its pissin me offfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff sry for the bad explression anyway we can get around it besides that my downloads are so slow i connect at like 0.43 kb/sec :|:| thats messed up whats the problem i am on 56k but i have never connected that bad im my whole kazaa career lol anyway ttyl
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: yw

[nikita69]

I wish there is a way the mods or VB can make some pinned topics to be flashing&#33;

[MUSLEMAN]

Originally posted by nikita69@26 September 2003 - 23:51
I wish there is a way the mods or VB can make some pinned topics to be flashing&#33;
now you know damn well that, that is not going to make a difference :lol:

[libertyordeath]

i think to be honest its some kinda virus causing the trouble that was made for that purpose because how could so many people just sit with those corrupted tracks on there pc&#39;s i think whatever is happening is happening while the file is downloading whatever it is it only effects kaza because i downloaded some music from mp3demesions and they were fine someone has been playin with Coding language TOOO MUCH sry copyrighters might be time for a new network[COLOR=blue]

[nikita69]

Originally posted by MUSLEMAN+27 September 2003 - 09:58--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (MUSLEMAN @ 27 September 2003 - 09:58)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-nikita69@26 September 2003 - 23:51
I wish there is a way the mods or VB can make some pinned topics to be flashing&#33;
now you know damn well that, that is not going to make a difference :lol: [/b][/quote]
i know that, i was just wishing, that&#39;s all. can&#39;t i just wish, i haven&#39;t wished in a long time. :P :lol:

[MUSLEMAN]

Originally posted by nikita69+27 September 2003 - 00:12--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (nikita69 @ 27 September 2003 - 00:12)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by MUSLEMAN@27 September 2003 - 09:58
<!--QuoteBegin-nikita69@26 September 2003 - 23:51
I wish there is a way the mods or VB can make some pinned topics to be flashing&#33;
now you know damn well that, that is not going to make a difference :lol:
i know that, i was just wishing, that&#39;s all. can&#39;t i just wish, i haven&#39;t wished in a long time. :P :lol: [/b][/quote]
don&#39;t get me wrong i&#39;m wishing with you :lol:

[Chris P Bacon]

Sorry for the missing the pinned message on the subject but just recently become a member and entered the new post from a different page and did not notice it. Thanks for the replies and the help.

[MUSLEMAN]

Originally posted by Chris P Bacon@27 September 2003 - 03:33
Sorry for the missing the pinned message on the subject but just recently become a member and entered the new post from a different page and did not notice it. Thanks for the replies and the help.
don&#39;t worry boss you are not the first one :lol:

[Chris P Bacon]

Thanks MUSLEMAN I appreciate the reply :D at least somebody is positive around here

[[B][O][T]]

http://www.riaa.com

:rolleyes: :blink: :rolleyes:

:ph34r:

BOT

[EMCO]

HI ALL
let u set on the, recieve sending message so we can ask if the file is a good file or not, the most people settings are to no not recieve messages?
B)

[libertyordeath]

what if we were to change the file extinsion to .jpg and just leave the name the sam eon a good track and if its a virus it wont hurt it then just change the extinsion bac to mp3 .....but as i have thought about this its only a set number of song that do it like i downloaded rodney carringtons full cds the other day and the were alright so that might rule out the virus thing its also messin up imish tho cuz i tried on there to last night same thing lol i dunno some of yall computer ppl figure it out &#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; i am lost without KAZAA :&#39;( :unsure: :unsure:

[gumbydancin]

Originally posted by PulseDragon@25 September 2003 - 03:41
Just a thought but maybe we need a new tool for kazaa that stop ppl with bandwidth of say 1200 and higher to be cut from being downloaded from or not found at all. Just an idea but maybe something to be looked into. :blink:
I haven&#39;t read through this thread in a while so I don&#39;t really know what&#39;s new with all this, but this seems like a good idea to slow the spread of the bad ones.

[Wolfmight]

RIAA is what&#39;s up.

[Wizzandabe]

Nah, Bit torrent = Movies.

[Celerystalksme]

Originally posted by Wizzandabe@28 September 2003 - 08:20
Nah, Bit torrent = Movies.
:huh:

Bittorrent has everything you twat...

[[B][O][T]]

Originally posted by Celerystalksme+28 September 2003 - 00:43--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Celerystalksme @ 28 September 2003 - 00:43)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Wizzandabe@28 September 2003 - 08:20
Nah, Bit torrent = Movies.
:huh:

Bittorrent has everything you twat... [/b][/quote]
A bit harsh :blink:

BOT

[Celerystalksme]

Originally posted by [O][T]+28 September 2003 - 09:48--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([O][T] @ 28 September 2003 - 09:48)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Celerystalksme@28 September 2003 - 00:43
[b] <!--QuoteBegin-Wizzandabe@28 September 2003 - 08:20
Nah, Bit torrent = Movies.
:huh:

Bittorrent has everything you twat...
A bit harsh :blink:

BOT [/quote]
twats can be nice things aswell :lol:

[[B][O][T]]

http://www.home.no/brand/wiggum7.gif

Ok :)

[Jayhawk]

Originally posted by Celerystalksme+27 September 2003 - 17:52--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Celerystalksme @ 27 September 2003 - 17:52)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-[/quote]
A bit harsh :blink:

BOT [/quote]
twats can be nice things aswell :lol: [/b][/quote]
nice save Celery


me likes SS its easier on my brain

[pitbull_syndicate]

:unsure:
IF everyone could add the word clean to there good filename it might help for awhile until RIAA a&#036;&#036;holes catch on.

[Jayhawk]

Originally posted by pitbull_syndicate@27 September 2003 - 23:47
:unsure:
IF everyone could add the word clean to there good filename it might help for awhile until RIAA a&#036;&#036;holes catch on.
you can always check out the verifieds and just d/l off of them and then you dont have to worry or go to soulseek :rolleyes:

just an idea

[pitbull_syndicate]

Tnx i&#39;ll try that. i havent bought anything to do with discs in three years im not about to start now. B)

[Adster]

just checking to see if noobs are reading this

[[B][O][T]]

I pinned and closed another topic in the Problems Forum http://www.klboard.ath.cx/index.php?showforum=8

I think this will help :)

BOT

[Nars]

I am having the same problem with DASHBOARD CONFESSIONAL songs, I have been trying to download "Hands Down" for like 2 weeks already. Every time, I get the same damn screeching sounds. I just want to download that song with no corruption&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; :angry:

[EarlCrapstone]

even searching for the quality 192 they still r scratchy. Those freakin RIAA buttholes&#33;&#33;&#33; :angry:

[Wolfmight]

oh sorry,
Check in verifieds and stuff for the song name.. (i&#39;m talkin the actual file name.. includeing ripper and stuff crap like.. thesong-razor-track4.mp3 for example)
find the source on that.. if there are some others that look the same but only have 1-2 users.. those are RIAA ones.. get the one that 150+ users got.

[pitbull_syndicate]

just wondering if there was anyway you could obtain the bad pcs MAC address and block it ? this would get rid of an entire computer for good. i dunno if its possible but its just an idea for anyone who wants to try.

[MUSLEMAN]

see what i mean wolf, those riaa basterds , hey boss give this a look for those files kc checker and more (http://www.geocities.com/ian_l_williams/)

[nikita69]

ITS ONLY FUNNY UNTIL SOMEONE GETS HURT...............THEN ITS HILARIOUS&#33;&#33;&#33;

[MUSLEMAN]

Originally posted by nikita69@29 September 2003 - 01:14

ITS ONLY FUNNY UNTIL SOMEONE GETS HURT...............THEN ITS HILARIOUS&#33;&#33;&#33;
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Gre1]

Originally posted by EarlCrapstone@28 September 2003 - 17:08
even searching for the quality 192 they still r scratchy. Those freakin RIAA buttholes&#33;&#33;&#33; :angry:
That is the best quality so of course they will use that. Searching for 192 will definetly not work.

[MUSLEMAN]

Originally posted by Gre1+29 September 2003 - 02:30--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Gre1 @ 29 September 2003 - 02:30)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-EarlCrapstone@28 September 2003 - 17:08
even searching for the quality 192 they still r scratchy. Those freakin RIAA buttholes&#33;&#33;&#33; :angry:
That is the best quality so of course they will use that. Searching for 192 will definetly not work. [/b][/quote]
don&#39;t tell that to wolfmight :lol: :lol:

[Gre1]

Why u say that? :huh:

[MUSLEMAN]

Originally posted by Gre1@29 September 2003 - 02:40
Why u say that? :huh:
click on his name then click on show all posts by this memeber and then see how many "just look for 192" you see :lol: :lol:

[Gre1]

Well, know he won&#39;t give out anymore bad advise, and he must not use kazaa much cause he would have been figured that out.

[nikita69]

poor wolf, i hope he doesn&#39;t get n00bienuked with PMs now :o

[MUSLEMAN]

he is no noob, and accualy he knows what he is talking about but past 2 days i think he has not been getting enough rest or something :lol:

[Gre1]

Here&#39;s one he might get: "Man, what the fu** u gave me that b**** a** advice about 192 quality mp3s then I downloaded a whole cd that had 192 quality then left the computer alone and came bak to listen and all were f***** up. When I find u I will get u :angry: " :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[MUSLEMAN]

roflamo :lol: :lol:

[nikita69]

Originally posted by MUSLEMAN@29 September 2003 - 12:49
roflamo&nbsp; :lol:&nbsp; :lol: times 3.1444444...

[Gre1]

I just re-read what I wrote and it mad me laugh I am a silly person huh :lol: :lol:

[Rappy]

i am haveing the problem with songs in 192 kbps quality but not all of them in that quality but the only problem i had was with them though

[MUSLEMAN]

Originally posted by RapFan@29 September 2003 - 03:44
i am haveing the problem with songs in 192 kbps quality but not all of them in that quality but the only problem i had was with them though
have you looked at this yet (http://www.geocities.com/ian_l_williams/)

[nikita69]

IS IT SAFE TO SAY THAT 192 or other rates don&#39;t matter, RIAA sends all kind of junk files in different ways? If so, how bout we conclude this topic before it starts to be like the screetchy pinned topic? :D ;)

[MUSLEMAN]

me and gre1 have been saying that for a while now

[Advantix]

Yea the stupid screeching noise is so gay.....

[Jayhawk]

did u steal Paul&#39;s avatar? tisk tisk tisk


i kinda like the sreeching its gotta sorta ring to it... :huh:

[nicelydone101]

Just a note here, This may have been talked about already but I don&#39;t get on the forum very often at all...but I have too recently downloaded an mp3 with the Infamous screeching noise. I do not know alot about mp3&#39;s and whats makes them chime, but i chose to open a screeching mp3 with notepad, and found the characters:
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 &#33;"##&#036;%&()**,,-.00234466899:;<=>?@ABCDEGGIIKLLMOPPRSSUVVWYZZ&#092;]^^``bbd

in the file repeated a few hundred times this exact string of characters is in every single bad mp3 with the screeching noise. Im guessing that this screeching noise can be created with something as simple as notepad. However the good parts of the mp3 looked like:
2RDº2j‡‰4ucÙ mô§¤ÿKÑm÷ʈٹ¤ñpøξnýhÑÌé–neVuJ/Û&#092;‘»=PóÛ_ü,Ïû¶,›*ô�—ŒgMî(

With no repetative string of characters, correct me if I am wrong but isnt purposly altering copywritten material illegal also? LOL

[fbh]

my simple solution:use winmx...i havent downloaded a single bad mp3 file since i switched over...coincidence, maybe...but i like winmx better anyway.

[ginNTonic]

Hi,

Just wondering what the consensus was on the cause of a lot of recently released songs being rendered unplayable due to annoying screeching and scratching noises. Are these bad tracks planted by the RIAA to confound us, or the result of new copy-protection techniques that turn an ordinary CD into an unplayable MP3? :angry:

My thinking is that its the former -- a large effort by the RIAA to plant bogus tracks to make file-sharing more tedious and thus discourage users. Many tracks I&#39;ve heard are nothing more than a &#39;mix&#39; of all the tracks on the CD, certainly not something a &#39;copy-protection&#39; algorithm on the CD could do, and is most likely a planted track.

Is there any way for Kazaa developers to filter these traks out? :D How can one tell (before downloading), whether a track is real?

Cheers.

[3rd gen noob]

http://www.klboard.ath.cx/index.php?showtopic=49358

[wormless]

read the pinned msg bout screeching or try the :rtfaq:

[Mr. Sherman]

Dear potential/probable defendants,

I have three things to say here.

1. I see that there are almost 40 pages devoted to this subject of "Strange Sound, Screeching Songs...et Cetera". What a shame and what a waste of Cyberspace.

2. Do you want a solution to the problem? Do you want to know how to avoid the problem of Screechy Scratchy Sounding MP3s? Easy - STOP YOUR ILLEGAL PRACTICE OF DOWNLOADING AND SHARING MUSIC&#33;

3. Would you like to know the source of these &#39;bad&#39; files? Just have a look at my custom member title - that should shed some light on the subject.

Sincerely,

Mr. Sherman

[[B][O][T]]

Thanks Mr. Sherman

:rolleyes: :D

BOT

[wolfdogg]

Mr. Sherman,
You are a funny dude. You&#39;re sure trying hard.. I&#39;ll give you that.

Everyone else,

How are they flooding the network with these songs.. that is the question? I&#39;ve been following this post for a while.. First off... those of you suggesting new codecs or downloading Kazaa/Lite again.... or that the RIAA has somehow magically planted a virus on your computer... go back to your room and keep smoking whatever it is that&#39;s been getting you through your day.

Now.. do I think it&#39;s the RIAA? Absolutely. I&#39;m pretty impressed too. I&#39;m a software developer.. and I&#39;ve been trying to go over it all in my head (if I could just make those little voices be quiet for a few minutes) and I really don&#39;t see how they could have done this. It&#39;s not just releasing all these titles with screeches and loops.. but they&#39;ve managed to block almost all of the real titles. There are a few that seem to get by.. but it&#39;s difficult to find a whole album for sure.
Yes.. it could be some sort of new software on the CDs that make the songs go bad after a few "copy&#39;s", but even the logic of that doesn&#39;t stand up. There should still be just as many good copies available. I went back and downloaded songs that I have downloaded before that had no problems.. songs that I could have easily found a hundred copies for, and in some cases, I can&#39;t find a single good one now.
Still... some people have found a way to release good ones. A good example.. do a search for &#39;Saliva Rest in Pieces&#39; or any song off that album (Back Into Your System) and there&#39;s hardly a good song to be found. Now.. I noticed that someone put the keyword &#39;Butt Ownage&#39; in for a metatag on a whole CD they burned. If you do a search for &#39;Saliva Butt Ownage&#39;, you can find every song on that CD.. and a good copy.

So.. kudos to the RIAA or whoever did this. I do have to agree with the earlier post by nicelydone101, who stated
"...correct me if I am wrong but isnt purposly altering copywritten material illegal also? LOL"
But then... maybe that&#39;s why this whole thing is so hush-hush. Maybe it&#39;s not exactly a legal tactic but quite effective.

THE GOOD NEWS?
Like others have suggested, switching to a different P2P application seems to resolve the issue. I downloaded SoulSeek last night.. and I&#39;m very impressed. In fact, I seem to notice a trend with those traders that when searching a users files, most of them have their albums all separated in convenient little folders. You just right-click on the folders and get the whole CD. Lots of other very nice features too. Unfortunatlely, I understand the server goes down more than you would expect, and my first day today proved that to be true. It was down for about an hour and a half. But.. I downloaded 3 CD&#39;s that are no longer accessible on Kazaa and all songs play perfectly. Perhaps the WinMX referenced above this post might be a good solution, as well.

In any case.. I would bet that it is just a matter of time until the crafty programmers at Kazaa figure out what&#39;s going on and figure out a programming solution. Unfortunately, P2P apps aren&#39;t anything I&#39;ve ever even looked in to, so I wouldn&#39;t have an idea where to begin. Until then.. rest assured that P2P will still go on. Unfortunately, Kazaa might become the next Napster of file-swapping for a while. File traders will move on to the next app... the RIAA will be 2 steps behind as usual.. and by the time they catch up, the traders will move on again. Such is the world of computers... for every programming &#39;Do&#39;, there&#39;s a programming &#39;Undo&#39;.

Happy Trading&#33;&#33; :)
wolfdogg

[tarzan007]

Ok I am no expert with Kazaa, but I know when something ain&#39;t quite honky dorrie, so have a quick glance at this screenshot I took while searching for Mr Bojangles of all things...

Clickity Click - ~200Kb (http://dteam.orcon.net.nz/kazaa.jpg)

Now the song downloaded fine, but I have had trouble with other older songs...eg Moondance by Van Morrison, along with most modern songs.
But back to the picture, This is after clicking the + to view all of the users you can download the "same" file from. The green size column has 5 different file sizes. The blue quality column has 6 different bitrates. Finally the length of the song column has ~12 different lengths, ranging from 5:31, to 15:04. What the hell is the deal with this? These are obviously not the same file are they?

I had a look at some screechy songs in Nero Wave Editor, and the "screechiness" is only on the right channel....

So I am as stumped as the rest of you. My guess is that there is only a few users who have the fake screechy versions of the song and when you download with Kazaa, it uses more than one users and the screechy parts of the song are coming from 1 unreliable source, be it the RIAA or not, and not from all of the users.

[sharedholder]

Originally posted by Mr. Sherman@1 October 2003 - 16:31
Dear potential/probable defendants,

I have three things to say here.

1. I see that there are almost 40 pages devoted to this subject of "Strange Sound, Screeching Songs...et Cetera". What a shame and what a waste of Cyberspace.

2. Do you want a solution to the problem? Do you want to know how to avoid the problem of Screechy Scratchy Sounding MP3s? Easy - STOP YOUR ILLEGAL PRACTICE OF DOWNLOADING AND SHARING MUSIC&#33;

3. Would you like to know the source of these &#39;bad&#39; files? Just have a look at my custom member title - that should shed some light on the subject.

Sincerely,

Mr. Sherman
Who the fuck are you?

Do you realy believe if the Fasttrack network is invaded by fake files can stop filesharing?You are wrong,because that screeching songs are made by a human mind,not by a fucking robot or somekind of a science fiction machine,so every problem can be resolved,sooner or later someone find a solution and you and your screeching songs becomes past and this topic dissapear too.About STOP YOUR ILLEGAL PRACTICE OF DOWNLOADING AND SHARING MUSIC&#33; do you know what is really ilegal?I don&#39;t think so,when the Matrix Reloaded is out on the web i find FTP&#39;S with the movie and i shared those ftp&#39;s here in this forum,few minutes later i received for an hour 40 attacks with trojans,backdoors and other shit.Is this legal?,or is legal to sue a 12 years old girl?You and your fucking RIIA are really a bunch of idiots,trying to stop the filesharing with this methods.Sooner or later the America will get borred about RIIA ,if continue to put in trouble his own citizen.

Cheers Mr Sherman.[i hope you lost your job soon]

[cscwcu]

(if yall listen to John Boy and Billy in the mornings, you&#39;ll understand this)
FIRST TIME POST-ER&#33;&#33;&#33;
MOOOOOOOOOOO

anyway, this is a great program you guys have running. my first question, however, has to be this...
do you see KaZaA going the way of Napster?
i&#39;m not entirely sure as to the legitimacy of "Mr. Sherman" and his posturing, but it does tell of the way that the RIAA is going with their schpeel.

but to counter Sherman (can i call you Sherman? B) ) and his quote: "Do you want a solution to the problem? Do you want to know how to avoid the problem of Screechy Scratchy Sounding MP3s? Easy - STOP YOUR ILLEGAL PRACTICE OF DOWNLOADING AND SHARING MUSIC&#33;"
if you make sharing music not illegal, than its not a crime, right? (duh)
seriously, though, if you&#39;re losing SOOOOO much money from us sharing songs, then you need to not hold a double standard. if an artist&#39;s songs are played on the radio, they&#39;re there for everyone who&#39;s lived in the past 100 or so to listen to. nobody&#39;s trying to sue the radio companies. hell, we&#39;re not playing these songs for any one with a car, boombox, or just a walkman (copyright sony, or something :P ) to hear. for the most part, we play them for ourselves, on our headphones, at 130 in the morning, while writing mini diatribes to no one in particular. we are, in escence, boycotting your CD&#39;s due to the outrageous prices you place on them. 15 years ago, it was a great buy to find Billy Joel, or whoever, selling for &#036;20 a pop. these prices haven&#39;t gone down since. 15 years ago, the asking price for a computer was almost 5 times as high as today. a decent stereo might run you &#036;500 or more. the only items (that i can think of at 140 in the morning) that are still equally priced as their not-so-ancient ancestors are CD&#39;s and household furniture and appliances. and that doesn&#39;t apply to all of the latter. the RIAA needs to rethink it&#39;s strategy before it goes around sueing every broke college student and on-medicaid grandparent for every nickel they can get their grubby little hands on. go talk to the CD producers, the one&#39;s who stick the price on the CD box. not the one&#39;s who don&#39;t go to the CD section of the Electronic Dept. at wal-mart because they can&#39;t even fathom paying so much for one d@mn song on a little plastic disc.

i realized about halfway through that i was rambling, but it didn&#39;t help any...too much coffee :blink:

now post-away all defenders of sharing
and all you ppl who&#39;re like Mr. Sherman (the real one), i would like to say i&#39;m sorry for the bullies in your youth who caused you to sit in the sandbox and hog all the cool shovels and stuff. i&#39;m sure that they didn&#39;t realize that you&#39;d comeback one day to sue their kids for the 20 bucks that they had stashed in their socks.

any complaints, email me at [email protected]

[cscwcu]

YEA&#33;&#33;&#33;
MY SECOND POST&#33;&#33;
:D
lol, anywho, i just wanted to say that while i was typing that, i was listening to shared music.
and downloading more...

[Adster]

good psot for a first poost noob

[RedRival]

I didn&#39;t bother going through the 30 pages on this topic.

but from my opinion, there is definitely no virus planted by the RIAA or anyone to screw up the mp3s on your hard-drive.

it&#39;s pre-injected. there&#39;s a group of ppl, could be the RIAA, who are very efficient in screwing up all the new released and popular music tracks before they spread throughout the network.

and i kinda realised it&#39;s only happening to english tracks, popular mp3 files being spread around in America, UK or whatever.

I downloaded an entire mandarin album, a fairly new and popular album that sold platinum under 1-2weeks.

downloaded every track from kazaa and there tracks were all fine...

i knida realised that the RIAA (if it&#39;s them) that are only operating in countries downloading english mp3s...

it&#39;s sas though

[tarzan007]

Originally posted by cscwcu@3 October 2003 - 06:48
(if yall listen to John Boy and Billy in the mornings, you&#39;ll understand this)
FIRST TIME POST-ER&#33;&#33;&#33;
MOOOOOOOOOOO

anyway, this is a great program you guys have running. my first question, however, has to be this...
do you see KaZaA going the way of Napster?
i&#39;m not entirely sure as to the legitimacy of "Mr. Sherman" and his posturing, but it does tell of the way that the RIAA is going with their schpeel.

but to counter Sherman (can i call you Sherman? B) ) and his quote: "Do you want a solution to the problem? Do you want to know how to avoid the problem of Screechy Scratchy Sounding MP3s? Easy - STOP YOUR ILLEGAL PRACTICE OF DOWNLOADING AND SHARING MUSIC&#33;"
if you make sharing music not illegal, than its not a crime, right? (duh)
seriously, though, if you&#39;re losing SOOOOO much money from us sharing songs, then you need to not hold a double standard. if an artist&#39;s songs are played on the radio, they&#39;re there for everyone who&#39;s lived in the past 100 or so to listen to. nobody&#39;s trying to sue the radio companies. hell, we&#39;re not playing these songs for any one with a car, boombox, or just a walkman (copyright sony, or something :P ) to hear. for the most part, we play them for ourselves, on our headphones, at 130 in the morning, while writing mini diatribes to no one in particular. we are, in escence, boycotting your CD&#39;s due to the outrageous prices you place on them. 15 years ago, it was a great buy to find Billy Joel, or whoever, selling for &#036;20 a pop. these prices haven&#39;t gone down since. 15 years ago, the asking price for a computer was almost 5 times as high as today. a decent stereo might run you &#036;500 or more. the only items (that i can think of at 140 in the morning) that are still equally priced as their not-so-ancient ancestors are CD&#39;s and household furniture and appliances. and that doesn&#39;t apply to all of the latter. the RIAA needs to rethink it&#39;s strategy before it goes around sueing every broke college student and on-medicaid grandparent for every nickel they can get their grubby little hands on. go talk to the CD producers, the one&#39;s who stick the price on the CD box. not the one&#39;s who don&#39;t go to the CD section of the Electronic Dept. at wal-mart because they can&#39;t even fathom paying so much for one d@mn song on a little plastic disc.

i realized about halfway through that i was rambling, but it didn&#39;t help any...too much coffee :blink:

now post-away all defenders of sharing
and all you ppl who&#39;re like Mr. Sherman (the real one), i would like to say i&#39;m sorry for the bullies in your youth who caused you to sit in the sandbox and hog all the cool shovels and stuff. i&#39;m sure that they didn&#39;t realize that you&#39;d comeback one day to sue their kids for the 20 bucks that they had stashed in their socks.

any complaints, email me at [email protected]
you think radio stations play music over the airwaves for free?
that is the stupidest thing I have heard&#33; you don&#39;t think they pay any large amounts of money to broadcast to the public copyrighted music.
you sir, are an idiot

if you make sharing music not illegal, than its not a crime, right? (duh)
sharing music may not be illegal, but copyright infringment is, and they are nothing the same.

[Adster]

ye radio stations have to be licenced

[BadBoyz999]

I have had exactly the same problem, & I&#39;m using every known anti virus/firewall known to man. A friend of mine has also been telling me of the same problem.
I think that someone somewhere is causing this deliberately, maybee RIAA or just some tosser(s) who think that kind of thing is funny. :angry:
I have had so many downloads stopped by my antivirus software recently coz they had worms, it&#39;s getting more difficult to find decent software out there.
I have used WinMX to download these same files I had problems with on Kazaa & got clean MP3&#39;s with no distortion, so I think someone is targetting Kazaa.

[Jamie L]

So I broswed the first 15 pages of this thread. Couldn&#39;t find a definat solution to the problem. I&#39;m guessing there isn&#39;t one?

[[B][O][T]]

Originally posted by Jamie L@3 October 2003 - 14:53
Couldn&#39;t find a definat solution to the problem. I&#39;m guessing there isn&#39;t one?
That would be correct AFAIK

BOT

[Adster]

I already said what the simpel solution was

2 things

screechign is casued by bad encoding I work with radio and almost got the sack once ofr f*ck up a commercial from it

another thing

it is possible that the RIAA have made thease bad encodes

heres what I think happens

RIAA worker makes a track called Evanscenes Falling its badly corruped of course

kazaa noob user sees it 2 months before release and doesn&#39;t realise its too early download it fast

then next person spreads spreads they dont bother to delete

another thing

ppl keep telling me PG is great blocks the RIAA

so when we all download screeching mp3s ??? how does it help if its supposingly the RIAA spreading them??

[cscwcu]

third post, woo hoo, go me

three things: first, i URGE everyone to ignore my posts, as they are usually written very early in the morning while under the impression of multiple mental and chemical imbalances. sleep deprivation being the most rampant.

second of all, thanks adster, for NOT maliciously attacking my ramblings and assorted coffee remarks. its appreciated.

lastly, i don&#39;t appreciate being called an idiot.

that being said, i&#39;ll move on

sharing music may not be illegal, but copyright infringment is, and they are nothing the same.

sounds good, but from the RIAA&#39;s standpoint it isn&#39;t true. thats the basis of their intire argument. they claim-i say "claim" b/c i don&#39;t have a copy of the friggin contract for copyright right here in front of me-that by "sharing" or downloading music that you haven&#39;t paid for, while others have, you are in violation of said laws. forthwith (lol, i just wanted to use that word), if you purchase any music, on any medium, you are bound to not reproduce that music in any fashion (views of RIAA and some CD labels, possibly all).

the thing that i wonder about is how do they think that 1/3 to 1/2 of these songs get out here? where i live, KISS 95.1 is the best station for popular music. all you need is a simple 3-10 dollar cable from radio schnack to connect the boombox to the computer, a decent software package, and good radio signal. convert the wav file to mp3 if thats how your&#39;s records, and there you go. as far as liscensing fee&#39;s go, the stations-or their corresponding company owners-make every bit of that money back on ads, and in many cases more so.

and with the advent of DISH and DTV&#39;s digital music channels, plus XM radio and other satellite radio broadcasters, its easier than ever to just rip the songs out of the air than to even bother with going to the store to get the CD.

i tried to read my first post, but i got confused, so i apologize to everyone who tried to read it as well.

and i agree with one of the earlier posts...if it is the RIAA doing this to the MP3s, isn&#39;t that just as illeagal as what we&#39;re doing? or would they just hire some tech lev. 5 to do this in his-or her- spare time?

and i&#39;m still DL&#39;ing, even while i type.

feel free to comment, just leave off on the name calling. not only is it disrespectful to ppl that you don&#39;t even know, but its disrespectful to ppl that you possibly DO know, and thats even worse. and what if i were some psycho-hacker? not that i am, but you just don&#39;t know anymore. my kid brother could be for all i know.

ps, anyone have a link to the winMX DL? i&#39;m too lazy to go look for it :P
ps2, sux....lol :lol:

[cosmic doobie]

Originally posted by cscwcu@5 October 2003 - 06:39
where i live, KISS 95.1 is the best station for popular music.&nbsp; all you need is a simple 3-10 dollar cable from radio schnack to connect the boombox to the computer, a decent software package, and good radio signal.&nbsp; convert the wav file to mp3 if thats how your&#39;s records, and there you go.&nbsp;
:o
Sorry to Pooh-Pooh your concept, but i would never rip music off radio, because they all use limiting and compression on the output and a lot of time they sound bad.
The end result is inferior sounding songs which is just as bad as having corrupted ones IMHO :P

[NetworkMaster]

The Screetching is the RIAA. What they have done is very sneaky. Somehow they have found a way to spoof the hashing system. Here is what they do.

They do a search for a popular song say "remedy" By jason mantz

Using a legit copy of kazaa, they look at the search packets to find the hash that the legit file shows up as.

They have either a hacked copy of kazaa or more likely a program that edits the outgoing packets so that the hash that gets reported to the fast track network is the same as the hash for the valid file.

They send the screetching file as with the legiitmate hash.

The problem is they are sending it from a direct T3 connection with low latency. When you click on the file, you try to download from wherever it is avialable. Unfortunately, since RIAA has lots of bandwith, sooner or later you get some part of the file from them. THis is why the screetching is in different parts of the song every time you try to download. Solution try to download from an individual person.

A better solution would be a tool that would identify the ip addresses for each user that way when you get a suspicious user with 10 copies of a song, you could block that IP. THe RIAA people dont let you search user which makes it harder to identify that user individually.

[Formula1]

i used to have the problem with the screeching sounds in the music files, but then i deleted them and i dowloaded another music file and well t isnt happening to me any more now :D

[VIDE-VICI]

Originally posted by Kain777@4 July 2003 - 11:32
i had exspecially problems with every version of this tracks:

Lumidee - Never leave you

and

Joe Budden - pump it up

ciao
That Lumidee track is the first one that I had this problem with. Nearly drove me crazy trying to get a clean copy of it. In the end I limited the download to come from no more than three sources, and I got it OK.

BTW, if you get a corrupted copy, delete it straight away, otherwise you&#39;re just making the problem worse by sharing it with others.

[[B][O][T]]

@ NetworkMaster

Nice post, and I agree with You.

BOT

[mp3geek]

I can&#39;t stand fakes any longer&#33;&#33;&#33; If you do find a working song, how about labeling the song by putting a *non-fake* tag before the song... This can be done by going to My Kazaa Lite K++ -> Right Click on file and then go to edit details then filling out the appropiate box. or simply renaming the song.

Then this will make sure that we don&#39;t waste time downloading screeching,looping etc.. dodgy files.

KAZZA LITE USED TO ROCK BUT NOW... :swear:

[Jayhawk]

Originally posted by mp3geek@6 October 2003 - 10:14
I can&#39;t stand fakes any longer&#33;&#33;&#33; If you do find a working song, how about labeling the song by putting a *non-fake* tag before the song... This can be done by going to My Kazaa Lite K++ -> Right Click on file and then go to edit details then filling out the appropiate box. or simply renaming the song.

Then this will make sure that we don&#39;t waste time downloading screeching,looping etc.. dodgy files.

KAZZA LITE USED TO ROCK BUT NOW... :swear:
but then people will catch on and start labeling all songs like that so yeah try soulseek you might be suprised by how much you like it

[VIDE-VICI]

Originally posted by mp3geek@6 October 2003 - 16:14
I can&#39;t stand fakes any longer&#33;&#33;&#33; If you do find a working song, how about labeling the song by putting a *non-fake* tag before the song... This can be done by going to My Kazaa Lite K++ -> Right Click on file and then go to edit details then filling out the appropiate box. or simply renaming the song.

Then this will make sure that we don&#39;t waste time downloading screeching,looping etc.. dodgy files.

KAZZA LITE USED TO ROCK BUT NOW... :swear:
Just limit your downloads to come from only two or three people, and nine times out of ten you&#39;ll get a good download. Labelling won&#39;t work, like Kwahya says; the RIAA would catch on and label their corrupted files the same.

[omnipotence]

Ok, from my experiences I&#39;m quite sure this isn&#39;t the RIAA.

I&#39;ve probably downloaded 25-30 screeching songs now, and yesterday I noticed a pattern. All of these songs had a significant amount of sources, but those which screeched had mixed sources. What I mean by this is that some of the sources were different songs but with the same track name. Or the same song with a different bitrate.

Try Nothingface - Ether (192). You get a massive amount of sources, over 150. But a small number of them are actually a song by Nas (160). I checked some of the other songs that people have complained about here and noticed the same thing.

I have no idea how to fix this, but I&#39;m pretty sure it occurs when the search function adds different songs under the one sources simply because they have the same title. I can&#39;t explain why this has only happened recently, perhaps that has something to do with the RIAA. Anyway, just my observations...

[SpecialAgentPunk]

Okay, so I tried download Clarity- John Mayer and those first ten seconds were sounding good and smooth jazz, then it goes boom and I can hear cats and Satan and my stupid modem. This was the second corrupt file I remember ever downloading, the other was Stupid Girl- Cold. And I thought it was no big deal and it was just something in my mp3 players or something, and thought that if i went here, I could get the solution.

And then I find that there&#39;s a post about 30+ pages long on my same problem; so this has to be RIAA. You have to admit, it&#39;s a pretty good idea.

Someone make a list of all the songs reported

Anyways, for the Clarity file that scared the piss out of me when that screech came on, has a 3906 bandwith and 40 users, and the file sizes are different. Don&#39;t know what else to report because I&#39;m new and computer illiterate.

[reparated]

I&#39;ve downloaded a lot of these "screeching" files, i hate them and the first one scared the hell out of me.

Anyway it always seems that when the bandwidth is 3906 it usually is a corrupted file. I don&#39;t know if this is a RIAA bandwidth or not but I&#39;m going to try and download the songs that everyone is having problems with and see if it has anything to do with the 3906 bandwidth.

And the corrupted files almost always seem to have a million sources.

[podiboq]

I came across a topic I felt I had to share in the hope that there would and could be a solution for....:

:angry: Those who understand will be bored by this - but it might help some others make sense of what&#39;s going on.

There have been a lot of references here to "fake files". It turns out though it&#39;s much more evil than just planting some fake files. RIAA&#39;s hackers are taking advantage of a serious flaw in Kazaa&#39;s Hashing system to plant files which as far as the KAZAA search algorithms are concerned are identical to the real files. In reality parts of these files have been replaced with the &#39;orrible noise people are compaining about.

Because the bad files look the same to Kazaa as the good ones, and because when you download you usually download pieces of the file from multiple sources it&#39;s totally possible to get a corrupted piece with that &#39;orrible noise from one user that effectively ruins your whole download, and also creates yet another corrupted version of the file.

The defect in the Kazza protocols is that the identification of a song for the purposes of search is based on a "hash" : this is a large number computed by say adding all of the bytes of data in the song together and taking the last N digits or bits (in reality a fancier algorithm would be used). Kazza F&#33;@#&#036;ed up big time because they designed their hash algorithm to only include certain chunks of the file rather then every single byte and which chunks are included (and not) is very well known. So RIAA can fool the hash algorithm by trashing the bytes of the file which aren&#39;t included in the hash calculation. The trashed file will then have the same hash as the good file and will be downloaded as part of it.

What is really "nice" here is that this spreads corrupted sections of the file into new downloads due to Kazaa&#39;s multi-source feature - it spreads almost like a virus. Narsti&#33;

The one thing that everyone can do now is to DELETE CORRUPTED FILES IMMEDIATELY&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

Beyond that, if KLite could download files into a non-shared directory then people could listen to the files to make sure they&#39;re OK before sharing them. KLite could implement features to support verifying files and moving them to shared.

In the end it may be necessary for Kazaa to fix their hash algorithm in which case software will probably need to be upgraded. Whether in the present legal climate they will feel safe fixing their bug is open to question.

And by the way, the defect that RIAA exploits is not inherently limited to any one bandwidth - if they aren&#39;t planting 192 bit rate files today, it&#39;s only because they ain&#39;t gotten around to it - they could.

podiboq

[Gre1]

Yes, I hope all noobs read this.

[MUSLEMAN]

did you know about this?? (http://www.geocities.com/drspud11/)http://smilies.sofrayt.com/%5E/b/smiley2k.gif

[podiboq]

:blink:

No I didn&#39;t. But it&#39;s not what I mean. This is a solution after downlaod. Let&#39;s get the root of evil. Try to filter before download.

No?

[Inspector Hound]

Deep Purple--Smoke on the Water

There are a bunch of different users who have it, but every single one, at some point in the song, break out into a noise that sounds like a microphone pointed at a speaker while a hundred babies scream into it and a 40-inch speaker plays white noise at full blast. I hate it. AND I CAN&#39;T GET THE BLOODY SONG OUT OF MY HEAD. DAH-DAH-DAH--DAH-DAH-DA-DA--DAH-DAH-DAH-DA-DA. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[Celerystalksme]

:o

[SpecialAgentPunk]

the RIAA can&#39;t legally do this, can they? Even if we are stealing their blahdfkjslakfjds...?

[omnipotence]

Yep, podibug has hit the nail on the head here.

I hope the developers read this so they can try to fix the problem.

[Celerystalksme]

:shifty:

[brownguy022]

I have a solution to the problem::

go here and look at the post buy brownguy02:
http://forum.win-drivers.co.uk/index.php?s...opic=3144&st=0& (http://forum.win-drivers.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=3144&st=0&)
download the attached program installer and run it. it will place a program called "noel&#39;s mp3 scanner" on your desktop. simply place this program inside your music directory and run it to scan your downloaded files. it will automatically find corrupted songs with the screeching noise and place them in a quarentined folder inside of your music folder. just do this before you burn a cd and then you wont end up with the crap on it and you&#39;ll know which songs you need to redownload. also.. delete the songs once they go into the quarentined folder. if we continue to allow corrupted music to be shared on the kazaa network, things will only get worse. please distribute this installer as widely as possible. the more people we can get to rid their music libraries of corrupted riaa songs, the less problems all of us will have downloading.
again, the link is here:
http://forum.win-drivers.co.uk/index.php?s...opic=3144&st=0& (http://forum.win-drivers.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=3144&st=0&)
look at the post by brownguy02.
please post this installer on other forms or host it and provide a better link to the program. thank you.

[Celerystalksme]

:-)

[omnipotence]

Originally posted by brownguy022@8 October 2003 - 08:06
I have a solution to the problem::
It&#39;s not really a solution though. Unless everyone adopts it the screeching songs will remain.

[I_hate_underscores]

ok......

I apologize for my first post being huge


My findings on the situation-

I don&#39;t think this has to do with new cds- I was trying to download jimi hendrix songs and it was screwing up...

I don&#39;t think it has to do with the file being screwy on person no 1s computer- That would not have caused the file transfer to speed up drastically.... I mean to 5x the normal speed (I use dialup and downloads seldom exceed 2kps- theese files were goin at 10kps, typically in the middle of the download. it&#39;s slow as usual in the begining of the song, then in the middle it speeds up like nuts, then at the end of the song it slows down again... maybe the horrible grating sound I hear in the middle of the song is somehow proportional to the size of the song...look for a pattern guys)

I do believe the money making part of the industry has something to do with it- the only problems that ever ocurred for me showed up as I was trying to download a file that was owned by a massive amount of people... and big organizations do their best work when the masses are involved...I stick to excellent file rating files that only one user has, no problem...

I would also like to point out that it is more than likely a LACKEY from the RIAA, probably SERVERAL of them, reading this forum and getting a huge kick out of how defenseless we are, and everytime we post about some pattern we saw, they deal with it... remember, they have a huge amount of money.

I think it has to do with the servers they are uploading them from... I think SOMEHOW they have found a way to force the download to come in at a crazy rate, scrambling it to shit. I also thin a lot of the people have stopped using kazaa already because of this, and most of what is left are the mindless song downloading drones with broadband and RIAA lackeys, neither of which are going to "weed out" the bullshit.

MY solution would be this... make a new client, and whenever the pattern I mentioned before in a transfer comes up, cut the supliers account, end it once and for all right there. Give people that aren&#39;t doing it willingly a warning and a few weeks to fix it, the bam, hit everybody screwing with the system hard.

I see this as the most final way of doing it....or something similar to this (if you find a better way to catch whoever is fucking with these song download)

if you find they are NOT the ones suplying the download but are intercepting the downloads somehow, they must be hacking into the server... which is illegeal (not to mention uncharacteristic, but then again they have started using our tactics against us) and Kazaa could fight back with a lawsuit of its own...show them we can play their game... keep in mind they have a lot of money....

there is a solution to every problem, and the best place to start with this one is to find patterns... that&#39;s the way computers are.

[Adster]

that even a more huge post :lol: :lol:

[podiboq]

:blink:

Guys guys.... listen. Let&#39;s not get carried away, ok? Fact is that the mp3&#39;s are getting fucked, deliberately&#33; We should try getting the corrupted songs out before to download them. I&#39;m sorry but I know for sure a lot of people are unaware of the urgency of this. So... try to check everything before you share. In the meantime the guys from KazaaLite++ will surely come up with a solution. What reminds me, these guys do this for fun.... DONATE..

;-)

podiboq

[sawek84]

:(
Well I have the same problem. And it doesn&#39;t matter if it&#39;s a new song or and oldie. One thing I know is that it&#39;s caused by only one comapny (man). When you open the mp3 file in a wordpad or something like this you&#39;ll see that there is a pattern - the same in every mp3. I&#39;ve tried to download many mp3 - till now - with no succes. I hope the same thing won&#39;t happend to the movies.
I think it&#39;s not a big problem to write a programm which would "catch" the bad files, but it will only work if this programmm would be a part of Kazaa. If there won&#39;t be any patch soon then Kazaa will be one big chaos.

[rappersk]

OK guys, THIS IS WHAT THE PROBLEM REALLY IS&#33;&#33;&#33; So check this out. I&#39;m dropping some real knowledge. Fu*k that RIAA sh*t and all that. That&#39;s bull.
The reason your downloaded MP3 makes that noisy and scratchy sound, it&#39;s because of how KaZaa Lite download works.
See, if you download a popular song, which usually is owned by many users more than 5, the download manager automatically tries to download the file from many users simultaneously.
Like... I have a MP3 file and you have the file too, then the 3rd person tries to download it and he gets it from both of us, you know? Like... if the file is 5Megs big, he downloads 2.5Megs from me and 2.5Megs from you... something like that.
Then the problem is, actually the files we have are DIFFERENT files&#33;&#33;&#33;
So, the file does not have the integrity, since you have downloaded a file from two different files, which looked same because their sizes were same.
Try, if you download a file which is owned by ONLY ONE guy, this problem never happens.
Is there a solution for this problem? I DON&#39;T KNOW YET. I am trying to do anything to download from only one guy, but it seems that the setting of KaZaA Lite is always forcing us to download from MANY members.
I don&#39;t know how to tell this to the programmers for KaZaA Lite, so could someone please report this to them if you know how to? There should be an option which disables downloads from many people but only one person.

[Celerystalksme]

http://www.mcbriens.net/liam/img/smilies/yes.gif

[Inspector Hound]

Originally posted by rappersk@9 October 2003 - 01:46
something that seems right on the surface
But I download other song files from an upwards of 1,000 users (U2--Mysterious Ways) and I never have that problem. You are right, that is how K-Lite (and Kazaa) work, but I don&#39;t think that&#39;s the cause.

[moldavia]

well I used a solution this guy posted way in the beginning. ANY file with a number in the filename at the start for example Will_Smith_-02-_XXXX.mp3 are ALWAYS files with the noise. when I downloaded the same file without the numbers they ALWAYS worked perfect. the numbers could be anywhere but usually the beginning. oh and I noticed always has the _ in the filename too.

moldavia

[sharedholder]

Yes,right more info from Zeropaid forum.


It is true that users with NUMBERS behind their nicknames are in fact fake kazaa users. Or bots. I have Peerguardian and herees what i saw when i tried to download a new cd before the release dates.. Peerguardian blocked these ip&#39;s.. BUT IT DIDNT block the defualtuser, or kazaa lite improved user cause their ips was good in sharing the song.
Connection forcefully closed on: 66.28.91.205 - CORGENT
Connection forcefully closed on: 66.28.91.205 - CORGENT
Connection forcefully closed on: 216.144.229.145 - SHA1 Hash Faker
Connection forcefully closed on: 216.144.229.145 - SHA1 Hash Faker
Connection forcefully closed on: 66.28.101.200 - CORGENT
Connection forcefully closed on: 66.28.101.200 - CORGENT
Connection forcefully closed on: 66.28.101.7 - CORGENT
Connection forcefully closed on: 66.28.101.7 - CORGENT
Connection forcefully closed on: 66.28.91.216 - CORGENT
Connection forcefully closed on: 66.28.91.216 - CORGENT
Connection forcefully closed on: 66.28.101.197 - CORGENT
Connection forcefully closed on: 66.28.101.197 - CORGENT
Connection forcefully closed on: 66.28.101.197 - CORGENT
Connection forcefully closed on: 66.28.101.197 - CORGENT
Connection forcefully closed on: 216.144.229.143 - SHA1 Hash Faker
Connection forcefully closed on: 216.144.229.143 - SHA1 Hash Faker
Connection forcefully closed on: 66.54.89.15 - NCI
Connection forcefully closed on: 66.54.89.15 - NCI
Connection forcefully closed on: 66.54.89.15 - NCI
Connection forcefully closed on: 66.54.89.15 - NCI
Connection forcefully closed on: 66.54.89.15 - NCI
Connection forcefully closed on: 66.54.89.15 - NCI
Connection forcefully closed on: 66.54.89.15 - NCI
Connection forcefully closed on: 66.54.89.15 - NCI
Connection forcefully closed on: 66.54.89.2 - NCI
Connection forcefully closed on: 66.54.89.2 - NCI
Connection forcefully closed on: 66.54.89.2 - NCI
Connection forcefully closed on: 66.28.101.210 - CORGENT
Connection forcefully closed on: 66.28.101.210 - CORGENT
Connection forcefully closed on: 66.28.101.210 - CORGENT
Connection forcefully closed on: 66.28.101.210 - CORGENT
You will see variable files of it.. more then 1 meg for a song at 128 quality to 7megs for 128 quality.. and the song or suppose to be song ends, and two or three minutes of noise afterwards.. Are they hashing up to the 400kbytes that kazaa does for real files and then filling in noise afterwards..? I will wait to the album is fully released to get the retail version, But i did this to prove a point that why use any name and can use the same name.. why people with numbers other then 69 behind them? there was 54 people sharing the same song, and all of them had numbers behind their nicks, not one defualt user or anything. So downloading from big users base is something to be left in past. I suggest we make a p2p program to have just OGG files.. and 192kbs only.. and able to update supernodes to block out these fake files.

[TeLLeK]

* In reply to rappersk*


OK guys, THIS IS WHAT THE PROBLEM REALLY IS&#33;&#33;&#33; So check this out. I&#39;m dropping some real knowledge. Fu*k that RIAA sh*t and all that. That&#39;s bull.
The reason your downloaded MP3 makes that noisy and scratchy sound, it&#39;s because of how KaZaa Lite download works.
See, if you download a popular song, which usually is owned by many users more than 5, the download manager automatically tries to download the file from many users simultaneously. Etc.. Etc...

ok.. man your problem that is REALLY going on is all in your HeD...

Yea if you download from one person you are set.... Not because its not splitting your file up between users but because.. That one person alone has that file and most likely They alone recorded it on their computer.
But see here is the part that blast yer Idea out of the water.. Go to Kazaa Lite K++ Options then to the K++ Advanced options tab.. From there put max scources per file to ONE and restart Kazaa. (that would be because it has the (*) hence you must restart for it to take effect) Now get back in and search for a file that you know is popular and fucks up.. Get the one with the MOST people sharing the same file as possible.. And press the plus(+) sign to pan it out... now download it from one of those people.. It might download from a different person but it is still downloading from ONE person and it is gonna be Fucked up Most of the time... You might happen to get one of those files downloading that are true without all the numbers but most of the time you will get shit. AND&#33; also.. the reason you are giving would have been doing that all along.... This just started happening..

I would have to aggree with the person on here that said the riaa is Downloading a file then changing it in a way that kazaa wont detect and continuing to share it as the same file.. THAT is why every song you download has the garbled noise come in at a different time(well thats how it is with me anyway) because its splitting the files up and getting good songs here bad songs there...
Some people replyed to the person that posted that and said that if you change the file Kazaa detects it and assumes its a different file.. Well I DOUBT that kazaa scans ALL the code of every file and even if it did... With all the fuckin Geniuses out there that the RIAA CAN AFFORD to pay..Im sure they can come up with a way around...

As for avoiding it? heheh download from the ones that show their kazaa usernames as the amount of people sharing(1 person) or you can put your Max sources to one and start downloading check what yer downloading and if it is somthing with numbers then cancel and try again till you get somthing with out numbers. As for the numbers...They are probably there because the RIAA have a Bot that does it all aotomatically and that is the way it is programmed to store them.

Well anyway thats my ShiTTy little input on this OVERLY sized Topic..

Have a BlasT GuyS,
TeLLeK

[podiboq]

:blink:

Exactly.... because if you would have checked your idea you would have used Winmx or something like that. And as I did before to open my mouth I found out that here is the same problem.... Think before you talk.

podiboq

[Hdestm8r]

One way you can use to avoid the bad MP3&#39;s is to download off of certain people. When you find a copy of the song you want to download &#39;Expand" the list of users by clicking on the "+" sign. If none of the users has a 4 digit bandwidth allocation then you will probably get the full unadulterated song. You can also use the "Fixer" as talked about elsewhere in this thread to fix the bad MP3&#39;s.

This problem will not go away until Sharman or somebody else changes the way Kazaa and Kazaa-Lite check file hashes for like matches to the MP3 or whatever you are wanting to download.

[Celerystalksme]

:)

[PulseDragon]

So has anyone used this KCF to try to fix corruption,
looks nice but dose it work... :blink:

[slack3r]

[FONT=Arial][SIZE=7][COLOR=blue]Why issome of the MP3 files fucked up? When i download mp3, some of them are makeing an ugly noise, and just won&#39;t work... why?

From
Espen Johansen, Norway&#33; <_<

[sharedholder]

Please read here (http://www.klboard.ath.cx/index.php?showtopic=49358)

[Drakarx]

True. I think there is a sort of spam. There are lot of new songs doing this

[SeK612]

Most people belive the RIAA are involved in the spreading of these files across the network. There are further guides in musicworld (http://www.klboard.ath.cx/index.php?showforum=28) with tips on how to avoid these files by checking their details before you download.

[AllanZ]

Having the same problem here (AUS)...It began yesterday...I downloaded Dido "Life 4 rent" from 10 different users...none of them worked....each track, after playing 13 seconds, screeching sound begins... :angry:

I tried other different files...like image or movie files...seems MP3 is the only file format infected...some motherf#@kers try 2 ruin Kazaa community....

where are the computer nerds when you need them? :ph34r:

[podiboq]

:blink:

has anyone made a list of the record/label companies involved yet?


podiboq

[Limao]

I had the same prob too.. But I have a software (SoundForge) which removes this.. The thing is, this problem usually only affects one channel of music.. the other remains good.. all SoundForge do is mute that part of the song in that channel

[omnipotence]

&#33;
Thanks

[[B][O][T]]

I wonder how long it will take before this (http://www.klboard.ath.cx/index.php?showuser=70226) member posts here.

:rolleyes:

BOT

[neowizkid]

Hey, I havw soundforge as well. (It came on my Vaio) Anyway, how do you use it to get rid of that? Do you need to process the song, or does soundforge automacticly remove it when you open the file in it.

[razmo]

Hi

I dont know if someone has already said this as im not willing to read through 30+ pages of posts and i know some ppl have suspected the RIAA for producing/spreading those mp3s and its 100% correct.

I was doing a research for a paper on cyber crime and here a quote from the 2003 CSI/FBI Computer Crime & Security Survey

"the RIAA worked rather diligently behind the scenes last year to "poision the well" for music traders, creating and distributing bogus files that appear to be real song files but that in fact contain noise or, in one case in 2003, Madonna cursing out her fans"

a copy can be found here if u are interested.

http://www.security.fsu.edu/docs/FBI2003.pdf

[Adster]

yep Madonna ursing at her fans thats a good way to loose fans Im a musican and make shit all so share all my stuff all you want I say I dont care&#33;&#33;&#33;

[VCDPrince]

Originally posted by brownguy022@8 October 2003 - 08:06
I have a solution to the problem::

go here and look at the post buy brownguy02:
http://forum.win-drivers.co.uk/index.php?s...opic=3144&st=0& (http://forum.win-drivers.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=3144&st=0&)
download the attached program installer and run it. it will place a program called "noel&#39;s mp3 scanner" on your desktop. simply place this program inside your music directory and run it to scan your downloaded files. it will automatically find corrupted songs with the screeching noise and place them in a quarentined folder inside of your music folder. just do this before you burn a cd and then you wont end up with the crap on it and you&#39;ll know which songs you need to redownload. also.. delete the songs once they go into the quarentined folder. if we continue to allow corrupted music to be shared on the kazaa network, things will only get worse. please distribute this installer as widely as possible. the more people we can get to rid their music libraries of corrupted riaa songs, the less problems all of us will have downloading.
again, the link is here:
http://forum.win-drivers.co.uk/index.php?s...opic=3144&st=0& (http://forum.win-drivers.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=3144&st=0&)
look at the post by brownguy02.
please post this installer on other forms or host it and provide a better link to the program. thank you.
Thanx dude, works like a charm :D

[PigeonHead]

I haven&#39;t read all 34 pages of this thread so this might already of been said.

I found that the majority of these files are &#39;Created by Realnetworks&#39; or something like that in the &#39;Comments&#39; part of the files details. I think it might be an attempt to stop files being shared, maybe the RIAA or something.

[Celerystalksme]

BTW...i proved its not just the RIAA to blame

i did a dodgy rip job without even knowing and i had kazaa going at the same time and shared it then i realised it was dodgy after having a person complain on soulseek...So thats just thrown your RIAA theories into the bullshit bin... :)

[Switeck]

ALSO, MANY fake MP3 sources are in the 38.118.0.0-38.119.255.255 ip range.

BLOCK THEM&#33;

A couple tests with download DATs and K-Dat will confirm this if you don&#39;t believe me. B)

[Adster]

ALSO, MANY fake MP3 sources are in the 38.118.0.0-38.119.255.255 ip range.

hmmm thats interesting didn&#39;t know that either

[^Hacker_]

:huh: HiZzZ&#33;&#33;&#33; ;) My personal opinion is that some kazaa lite "bug" in the last editions is the responsible for that Annoying proBlem..&#33;&#33; I know that everyone tries to make it better but as i noticed the prob with the screeching sound is viewable only at the last KaZaA lite editions :blink: At all the previous editions of KaZaA lite but at the NomAl KaZaA too, i&#39;ve never met that prob again and thats why i believe some bug in new versions have this fault...
2nd as at the others replies upper someone said about RIAA i don&#39;t believe she is responsible as if she would filter some tracks with bugs so eliminating the piracy everybody would downloading the same file corrupted or broken => But I know too many people who downloaded the EXACTLY same files as me but in some of them worked and in some others didn&#39;t [ like me ]. Trust me here in Cyprus hundreds of people i know have the same shi**y problem :angry: So finally my opinion about the "bug" i refered above is that maybe some edits in the KaZaA Lite that help the kazaa to accelerate in order to download faster cause [ because of the high speed ]=>I HAVE A NORMAL 56k modem and have speeds between 15-16 stable sometimes.. :o )) some files losing-pushing too much and finally after a dosage of pressure corrupting... Anyone knowing something.. everyone would appreciate his opinion ;p

[[B][O][T]]

It aint a bug in kazaa lite :angry:

BOT

[Jayhawk]

Originally posted by ^Hacker_@15 October 2003 - 07:46
So some files losing-pushing too much and finally after a dosage of pressure corrupting... Anyone knowing something.. everyone would appreciate his opinion ;p
that is incorrect ;)