Giganews is ****'ing up Usenet

[Beck38]

This has gotten so out of hand the last few days, that the tsunami of crud has begun to affect just about every news-server on the planet.

There have been some who were saying that things were 'settling down' on Giganews after a few hours, but that doesn't seem to be the case. I did some pretty detailed analysis of headers (or lack thereof) on several high and low volume newsgroups on their server in the last couple of days...

And it's so hosed, it isn't funny anymore. :wacko:

Did all of their senior people take an extended post-labor day holiday, or what?!?

This is rapidly becoming a major 'gap' in usenet retention, that may exist as a 'sink hole' for months, just like the 'gaps' back circa late 2008 when several plants were first ramping up major retention pushes.

And yes, it's affecting the major nzb folks like binsearch, nzbindex, newzleecher et. al.

WHAT A MESS!

[zot]

Despite the severity of the problem, overall I don't really think it will hurt Giganews bottom-line much, since I presume few downloaders use headers these days and probably few text users subscribe to Giganews.

But header users are going to be really pissed if they end up re-downloading the whole 750 days of headers on a big group. (some newsreaders will let you re-download, for instance, the last 20 days of headers using a different server while keeping the older ones intact, but most don't) And Newsleecher users are up in arms because Supersearch (a pay service) is now useless on recent posts.

This just adds more fuel to the fire over the argument of whether Giganews is worth the extra money.

[WHiKWiRE]

I can't really get mad at 11 bucks a month. I :wub: AstraWEB.

[Disme]

I can't be mad at 0 bucks a month ;)

But rather annoying anyway.

[jalebi]

I can't be mad at 0 bucks a month ;)

But rather annoying anyway.

How'd you manage that? Are you using one of those IPv6 servers?

[Skiz]

This has gotten so out of hand the last few days, that the tsunami of crud has begun to affect just about every news-server on the planet.

There have been some who were saying that things were 'settling down' on Giganews after a few hours, but that doesn't seem to be the case. I did some pretty detailed analysis of headers (or lack thereof) on several high and low volume newsgroups on their server in the last couple of days...

And it's so hosed, it isn't funny anymore. :wacko:

Did all of their senior people take an extended post-labor day holiday, or what?!?

This is rapidly becoming a major 'gap' in usenet retention, that may exist as a 'sink hole' for months, just like the 'gaps' back circa late 2008 when several plants were first ramping up major retention pushes.

And yes, it's affecting the major nzb folks like binsearch, nzbindex, newzleecher et. al.

WHAT A MESS!

"This has gotten so out of hand the last few days..."

"...things were 'settling down' on Giganews after a few hours"

"This is rapidly becoming a major 'gap' in usenet retention..."

"it's affecting the major nzb folks..."

What are you talking about? :unsure:

I probably downloaded 100+GB of stuff in the past 3 days; all movies and TV shows of things I'm trying to catch up on. The only thing that had missing files was one of the movies, but all the PARs were there so it repaired just fine.

[Beck38]

What are you talking about? :unsure:



All the message boards are clogged with screaming, you must be using, or d/l'ing, things from beyond the last few days (which aren't affected). Once you start trying to get things posted in the last 100hrs or thereabouts, you'll hit the gaps.

Just an update: I appears that Giganews has repaired their operation, and gotten some (all, who can tell) of their articles back on line.

Scuttlebutt is that they got hit by some nasty malware. As I noted on another thread, it's been really rolling in the last week plus or so, and anyone who doesn't run some serious blocking/anti-virus program, and does lots of browsing, is headed for disaster, as lots of web sites are getting hit (and don't keep THEIR systems anti-stuff 'up to snuff').

[WHiKWiRE]

What are you talking about? :unsure:



All the message boards are clogged with screaming, you must be using, or d/l'ing, things from beyond the last few days (which aren't affected). Once you start trying to get things posted in the last 100hrs or thereabouts, you'll hit the gaps.

Just an update: I appears that Giganews has repaired their operation, and gotten some (all, who can tell) of their articles back on line.

Scuttlebutt is that they got hit by some nasty malware. As I noted on another thread, it's been really rolling in the last week plus or so, and anyone who doesn't run some serious blocking/anti-virus program, and does lots of browsing, is headed for disaster, as lots of web sites are getting hit (and don't keep THEIR systems anti-stuff 'up to snuff').

I don't even use an anti-virus. :lol:

[Skiz]

What are you talking about? :unsure:



All the message boards are clogged with screaming, you must be using, or d/l'ing, things from beyond the last few days (which aren't affected). Once you start trying to get things posted in the last 100hrs or thereabouts, you'll hit the gaps.

I only download new stuff for the most part. All of the TV shows were downloaded via RSS so they were brand spankin' new, and the movies were ALL less than 100 hours old. :idunno:

[iLOVENZB]

I can't be mad at 0 bucks a month ;)

But rather annoying anyway.

How'd you manage that? Are you using one of those IPv6 servers?

Some ISP's offer Usenet usually Astraweb or Giganews.

[Cabalo]

Mine does. I have astraweb access, though capped to a max DL speed of 300KB/s. Not bad, for free.

[SonsOfLiberty]

remember most of the auto-posters and posters use Astraweb and was having issues last week, incomplete should be fixed for now, just remember the majority use Astra for posting.

[Beck38]

Newzleech seems to be bringing up the rear on getting headers 'filled in', for whatever reason.

Binsearch and others seem to be attacking things pretty pro-active, but that doesn't mean everything is hunky-dory. Lots I was trying to get this last week, went perfect using the posted nzb (on Astra), but there are still major gaps in the nzb's done by the 'auto' folks, and from what I can figure out Giganews is still a bit wacky, in that the headers are actually all there (if one gets them), yet services 'down-stream' from them still have major gaps and such.

LIke I've said before, these nzb generator folks (Newzleech, Beinsearch, etal) need to be serious about being 'fed' my multiple servers. Relying on simply Giganews (or for that matter any other single server, as Astra has had it's fades as well), is asking for trouble.

[Beck38]

Slight bit of an update this morning (still a little sleepy so hold on a bit), but in doing some minimal A/B/C on GN/Astra/Usenet-News, GN is still doing some (relativity) minor 'skips' from things posted on either Astra or Usenet-News, but are 100% on both Astra and U-N.

Shows that either the link between GN and the other two is still a bit dodgy, or GN plant is, take your pick. But it is somewhat 'minor', at least in the groups I checked. Doesn't mean that there isn't one out there (figuring it's the GN plant that's still the problem, and not a transmission failure), that's got major problems.

[nntpjunkie]

Thank you for starting this thread, this really does beg the question is Giganews worth the extra cost and perhaps to a slim few it is worth it, but surely that is only the case while their service is working correctly and frankly at Giganews prices my newsreader better not experience so much as a fart from their servers, in fact due to the fact that they are experiencing corrupt headers that should be a clear message for others to run from Giganews and go with any other provider on earth. Do yourself a favor and save some money with any other NSP that is not overpriced and is not delivering corrupted content.

[Beck38]

'worth the cost' is one of those infinite questions. I used GN for many many years, with a block account with Astra for fills, and never had much of any problems until around late 2008.

That got me to re-evaluate things, and as a result, took up Astra on their $11 deal and never looked back. But then I started seeing gaps and such on Astra, so got a Usernet-News block account. Still, of course, lower cost that GN.

Now, lots of folks like the VPN deal, but since I already have a much better VPN provider (worldwide), it's a moot issue with me. As long as things don't go seriously 'off the tracks' with Astra (knock on wood), I'm a happy camper. I keep a pretty close eye on all the majors, and this latest veering off the road is the most major screw-up I've seen since 2008... and as of this afternoon, there are still some 'echos' of it going on in Giganews-land (still some gaps, where there are no gaps in any other server I can see).

So, it does, or should, make folks think a bit. I have a dozen or so major 'fades' linked out on Giganews I'll continue to take a look at over the next few days, and see it they are 'repaired' in any way or fashion.

[ericab]

im moving on from giganews (supernews to be specific)

it seems every other post i download (a.b.x264, teevee, and moovie) needs major repairs.

tommorow i'll be moving to readnews. (usenetnow).

[nntpjunkie]

im moving on from giganews (supernews to be specific)

it seems every other post i download (a.b.x264, teevee, and moovie) needs major repairs.

tommorow i'll be moving to readnews. (usenetnow).

I think usenetnow/readnews are backended by giganews aren't they?

[hdjunky]

im moving on from giganews (supernews to be specific)

it seems every other post i download (a.b.x264, teevee, and moovie) needs major repairs.

tommorow i'll be moving to readnews. (usenetnow).

I think usenetnow/readnews are backended by giganews aren't they?

No and you can tell this because there stuff is actually complete! also why so many use blocknews to fill in the gaps and shortcomings of the bigger ones.

[Hypatia]

Actually dont blame all giganews. Astraweb is working not so good recently as well(with headers).
You see them as complete in a newsreader but when u actually download them u get lots of "not found on server".
Astraweb has started to process uploaded data quite slow..

[SonsOfLiberty]

Actually dont blame all giganews. Astraweb is working not so good recently as well(with headers).
You see them as complete in a newsreader but when u actually download them u get lots of "not found on server".
Astraweb has started to process uploaded data quite slow..


I just said they were having issues, Astraweb is always been like this you can one bad week out of 6 months and people think it's the end of Usenet, jesus. If it's bad on Astraweb it will be bad on the rest, why? The "posters" use Astraweb and it propogates from there, bad on one end it will be on there end to....

[Beck38]

The big problem/issue I started seeing with GN, is that too many folks 'downstream' from them, either peers as other newsgroup providers, or as nzb vacuums like Newzleech, Binsearch,even Newzbin, et. al,, are (because of the way they have set themselves up) simply too dependent on GN as a whole.

It's great when everything runs 100%; however, in looking back over the 'gaps' of the last week on GN, although it appears that some of them have been 'filling in', most if not all of when it started going off the tracks (sometime around the 15th of September), those gaps haven't really 'filled in' at all. Note that this includes both the us and eu servers.

I'd say this should, 'should', give the operators (those mentioned above) a bit of a pause, to re-think their operations.

[unoriginal]

im moving on from giganews (supernews to be specific)

it seems every other post i download (a.b.x264, teevee, and moovie) needs major repairs.

tommorow i'll be moving to readnews. (usenetnow).

I think usenetnow/readnews are backended by giganews aren't they?

No. As ericab mentioned they resell readnews.com. This has been hashed out before. Please search the older threads if you need more proof.

[towerblocks]

Its astraweb that fuckings everything up, Alot of incomplete uploads today, This has been going on for a few months now, Posts aren't propergating.

One hour it can be fine, Then the next incomplete heaven.

[Hypatia]

Yep. SO true,man
id seriously recommend efnet guys to have a backup giganews account for posting if astraweb starts getting fucked up again.
This is getting ridiculous

[SonsOfLiberty]

My god it's the end of the internet!!!!

Common ffs, it happens like once every 6 moths and people get the panies in a bunch, chill the fuck out.

[zot]

It seems that Astraweb has been doing some maintenance, so hopefully all is OK now.

[Beck38]

My god it's the end of the internet!!!!

Common ffs, it happens like once every 6 moths and people get the panies in a bunch, chill the fuck out.

After some of the big problems when the server plants started aggressively expanding/upgrading in the fall of 2008, I thought that these folks would be watching things a bit closer. Apparently, I was wrong.

Too many folks 'downstream' rely too heavily on GN, period. Yep, maybe Astra is next 'in line' to screw the pooch. But if I, sitting thousands of miles (and a dozen or more 'hops') from their plant can see their train starting to go off the tracks, and their staff, sitting right next to it can't, it shows problems with their staffing/engineering.

[zot]

I'm fairly sure these providers knew that there were problems. Just because on the surface they seem to "act dumb" doesn't mean they aren't furiously working behind the scenes to fix things. One thing I've noticed is that the bigger any company gets, the less likely they are going to be open and honest about their problems - whether to the company's staff/support or to the public. Maybe this is in part because big companies tend to be run more by public-relations, accounting, and legal-types, rather than by simple tech geeks.

A few years ago, when they were still small companies, Astraweb, Easynews, and Newshosting would report on their server log page every little everyday problem they encountered - whether it affected end-users or not. Not so today.
But then Giganews, for years the biggest company in the business, has always been more tight-lipped about ongoing server issues than most other providers.

I rather miss the old days, when USPs would post a virtual diary of everything they did each day and all the problems they fixed. Now whenever something goes wrong, it seems they pray that no one will ever notice, and only after enough people complain (sometimes many weeks after) do they ever publicly admit that anything went wrong.

For example, in late 2008 it took Giganews about a month or more before they addressed their problems (and they still never corrected their web page that overstated retention by 50 days) and in 2008-2009 it took about 5 months of daily complaints and long-term customers leaving before Easynews finally put out a statement halfway-admitting what everyone already knew: that their system was completely screwed up.

[Hypatia]

Astrawebs is again fucking up propagation of posts\\\ in ab erotica.posted 18 min ago and is still not completed. just tried with giganews and newshosting. the same thing
. Thats the problem with astra..One moment its OK another one its fucked.. this is really getting to me.. frigging efnet should get themselves cheap giganews block accounts for posting since astra seems not to care about fixing their shit...


PS Interesting.. articles progagation between astraweb and highwinds is better in these fucked up hours than between giganews and astraweb

[iLOVENZB]

Have you ever heard of pars?

[Hypatia]

gee, smart boy, uh?

Ive been using using usenet more than 10 years

Pars wont help you in many cases when propagation of uploaded posts is severely fucked up and u ahve to wait for quite a long time for it to become completed.
Every day for a certain period of time starting at a certain hour astrawebs propagation is fucked up influencing everyone


We've also seen a propagation
>issue coming out of a Euro provider that appears to be affecting every
>other Usenet provider just s small hint in the direction of "euro provider" from giganews. :D

yeah, $11 a month! Come and get some piece of sweet astraweb ass, dogs!
Now we have an army of $11 lemmings screwing things up for all usenet
since astraweb seems not to have enough dough coming of ur credit cards and paypal accounts to fix the issue . =)))

Thats ur cheap usenet access.
HERE FINALLY COMES THE DAY WE ALL PAY, M!THERF!CKERS! LOL

[heiska]

gee, smart boy, uh?

Ive been using using usenet more than 10 years

Pars wont help you in many cases when propagation of uploaded posts is severely fucked up and u ahve to wait for quite a long time for it to become completed.
Every day for a certain period of time starting at a certain hour astrawebs propagation is fucked up influencing everyone


We've also seen a propagation
>issue coming out of a Euro provider that appears to be affecting every
>other Usenet provider just s small hint in the direction of "euro provider" from giganews. :D

yeah, $11 a month! Come and get some piece of sweet astraweb ass, dogs!
Now we have an army of $11 lemmings screwing things up for all usenet
since astraweb seems not to have enough dough to fix the issue coming of ur credic cards and paypal accounts. =)))

Thats ur cheap usenet access.
HERE FINALLY COMES THE DAY WE ALL PAY, M!THERF!CKERS! LOL

i liek tpb! LoL

[sandman_1]

I never had much issues with Astraweb or Giganews, when I was on Giganews Diamond Account a long time ago. The only thing I have had problems with Astraweb was a slow down in speed on one of their servers. Apparently, it was short lived because it is working fine now. Also, I use Newsbin Pro 5 64bit and sometimes when I download a new file only minutes old, it will kick them out into the "Failed Files" tab. I simply put them back in the download cue and it works, only had this happen a few times. So who knows what happened...

[sdwillie]

gee, smart boy, uh?

Ive been using using usenet more than 10 years

Pars wont help you in many cases when propagation of uploaded posts is severely fucked up and u ahve to wait for quite a long time for it to become completed.
Every day for a certain period of time starting at a certain hour astrawebs propagation is fucked up influencing everyone


We've also seen a propagation
>issue coming out of a Euro provider that appears to be affecting every
>other Usenet provider just s small hint in the direction of "euro provider" from giganews. :D

yeah, $11 a month! Come and get some piece of sweet astraweb ass, dogs!
Now we have an army of $11 lemmings screwing things up for all usenet
since astraweb seems not to have enough dough coming of ur credit cards and paypal accounts to fix the issue . =)))

Thats ur cheap usenet access.
HERE FINALLY COMES THE DAY WE ALL PAY, M!THERF!CKERS! LOL

Gotta love it when crazy people rant.

[Hypatia]

i might have been a bit expressive but there is nothing crazy about the situation.

Another todays example- avatar 3d jiggly 720p is totally fucked up. More than 1 h passed since the upload and it is still incomplete beyond repair.(17%)



Its astraweb who is LOling at u lot atm :D
but some are too stupid and hung up about all this "astraweb rules" shite to realize that :)

cheap $11 bastards lol

[mesaman]

I don't know why you have so much trouble when others don't.

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s280/7A696BC5/taaj720prar.png

[Hypatia]

gee lol it was reposted.im talking about EFNET RELEASE OF AVATAR
i tested with both giganews and newshosting.it was totally screwed up. the poster even had to repost it
I DONT HAVE TROUBLES.ASTRAWEB HAS WITH PROPAGATION.
and its a FACT.Deal with it

[Skiz]

So you pay for Giganews, Newshosting, and Astraweb at the very least? :blink:

WTF are you going on about? I literally cannot remember the last time I was unable to successfully grab something with Giganews. My success rate for all intents and purposes is 100%. Every NZB that I download, completes. Every single time. 1 hour old? Completes. 1 day old? Completes. 1 month old? Completes.

Tell us something specific that you can't download with Giganews due to DMCA, or whatever the fuck it is you're incoherently ranting about.

[zot]

WTF are you going on about? I literally cannot remember the last time I was unable to successfully grab something with Giganews. My success rate for all intents and purposes is 100%. Every NZB that I download, completes. Every single time. 1 hour old? Completes. 1 day old? Completes. 1 month old? Completes.

Tell us something specific that you can't download with Giganews due to DMCA, or whatever the fuck it is you're incoherently ranting about.

In one of my earlier posts:

http://filesharingtalk.com/threads/421056-Announcement-for-Giganews-and-NewsDemon-Users-Please-Read?p=3510987&viewfull=1#post3510987

I listed 17 examples of files that could not be downloaded on Giganews -- an entire season of TV shows -- and this was just a single HBO TV series I picked as an example.

I don't understand why you keep making the claim that Giganews does not have any unrepairable files, when many other people have reported numerous instances of this problem, particularly with pay-TV shows.

[dagaul101]

It was bound to happen, might need to upgrade their servers, as several isps are skipping entire newsgroups possibly due to this