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Gutter
01-29-2004, 05:47 AM
I'm writing this because of recent activity in soulseek and various chats with members here.
What is Emo?

First off, most people tell me it stands for Emotion. But wouldn't 90% of all music then be considered Emo? Songs written about people or places are most of the time emotional songs. Weather the emotion being love, hate, indecsion or what have you, the songs deal with emotions.
Would the Cure be cosidered Emo? The Beatles? Limp Bizkit or even Jay-z?

Now I see an offshoot of emo, Screamo. Two groups I see in the Screamo catagory are The Deftones and Finch.
I can easily hear them screaming in most of their songs but I wouldn't go so far as to label their music as Screamo simple because of that. Wouldn't that make Limp Bizkit Screamo? It seems a little silly, I could go and call every rap song that starts out with "Yeah yeah Ugh" as Yeah Ugh Hop. :lol:

Anyways I have no idea really what bands really want to be in the "Emo Genre"
Myself and a few other soulseek users make it a point to let people know that we hate genres. I also have no idea if I enjoy Emo or not because I simple can't identify this new "Genre" of music.

So far the only helpful/funny info I have found is this:


How To Be Emo

1) Lose Any Sense Of Shame: This might be the most important thing to keep in mind. No matter what, you can never let anyone get you un-down. People will give you looks (well, you hope they will....since you are mainly doing this for the appearance) and you are just going to have to deal with this. After you learn how to play a few chords on your acoustic guitar and have scribbled out a few "heart felt" lyrics in your memo book, you are going to have to learn to perform in front of crowds (your mirror or, if you make it big, your parents in between commercials). You cannot afford holding back because you are afraid of what you look like. One key point: if all else fails, CRY. You might look like a girl, but at least you will still be emo.

2) Learn Some Self Control: This is very important. If you are new to this emo-lifestyle (which can also be referred to as "stupid) you might not be used to appearing upset all the time...but you must. You cannot afford to ever crack a smile in public. People may start thinking you are (::gasp::) happy? That would not be good at all. Try to learn to save any of these "happy" feelings for when you are alone (most likely you will be alone a lot if you are this emo). When these times come, let out just a brief smile, take a deep breath, and then sniff some onions in order to get your eyes watery (it's a nice effect).

3) The Glasses: The thick-rimmed, black glasses are integral to a perfect Emo Get Up.....Kids (respect the pun). Without these, people may see some of your face. If they do this, you run the risk of showing emotion. It doesn't matter if you need glasses in real life or not, get these glasses. You'll look like Buddy Holly only (if this is possible) not as cool.

4) The Acoustic Guitar: As mentioned above, the acoustic guitar is necessary for any emo kid. Drums? Too simple. Electric guitar? Way too happy sounding. Bass? Despite the low sound symbolizing the depths of your soul, it is still just not quite artistic enough. Flute? Not quite feminine enough. You need the acoustic. When people ask you to play it (even though you obviously don't know more than a few chords) just sniffle a little and say "To play without a girlfriend would be to play without a soul." They will slowly walk away and you won't have to worry about playing it anymore. High Five!!.....oh wait, you don't do those....too happy.

5) The Poetry Book: Write poetry all of the time. Why? Because no one is going to invite you anywhere else, so you might as well kill some time. Use this book of poems to, originally, draw girls' attention and, inevitably, chase them away.

6) The Hair: This is a big deal to an emo-kid. Since he cannot show emotion in any other aspect of his life, his hair must represent him. In other words, your hair must show people you like to follow trends but not look like you are. Therefore, dye it all black and go to a stylist. BUT HE/SHE BETTER BE GOOD.....or else your $30 haircut might not look like you simply cut it yourself. Make sure at least one eye is covered by your hair. When asked why you have your hair over your eye say something like "::sigh:: It is my shield to the cruel world."

7) The Webcam: This is an E-must. If you do not have a webcam, you do not know true sorrow. Take pictures of yourself all the time. Make sure you never appear happy...ever. Okay, well maybe you can smile in one picture, but quickly delete it. Never look directly at the camera, either. That would show interest. The picture should look something like as shown.
http://content.collegehumor.com/news/makeoutclub.jpg

8) The Clothes: What is that phrase? Clothes make the man? Well, in this case, someone else's clothes make the man. You can only shop at Salvation Army, Goodwill, or any other place where the average customer gets the early bird special and then grabs some lunch at the local food pantry. If you want to be a "posuer" (if that is still possible) you can grab some t-shirts and the like at your local Abercrombie outlet. These clothes aren't truly "emo," though, because they have a brand name on them. After you're done grabbing some shirts, it's time for some pants. Only Dickies or plain blue jeans can ever touch your legs. Shorts reveal too much leg which, in turn, may show some character on your part. Remember: the key is to remain obscure when you really are secretly hoping to be noticed by everyone. Finally, you cannot forget about the shoes. Stay with anything that looks like you parents wore them for 10 years....only buy them, brand new (again, pun), for $55 at Hot Topic.

9) Music: You're almost there!! You've got the image, now all you need is.....wait, what's that? You are only doing this for the image? Hmm....

Well, let's assume someone out there actually wants to complete their Emo-city. You're final step is choosing the correct music. There are two key points to this. First, ONLY listen to bands that are unknown. If they have already been discovered by anyone other than you, they have "sold out" and you have no respect for them anymore. Secondly, once you find these bands, make sure their names follow this simple formula: They must be three words long; they can start with a "The"; words like"theory," "project," and some type of Day are always a plus.

Finally, if you become a full Emo-head (a.k.a. Cry-Baby) you must join a band. At first, just be a solo artist on your acoustic guitar (see #4). This can also be called the "learn you suck at music" period. After that, if you at least have a decent voice, join a full band. Make sure the name follows the formula I stated above.

Well, that's it. If you can follow these simple steps, you will eventually be a true Emo Kid. Make sure to read everything clearly (wipe your eyes as you read the directions if your tears are getting in the way) because we wouldn't want any mix ups. You might misread something and actually seem content to someone.

any experts, or people that enjoy genres should definetly post and help me out with this one.

What the hell is Emo?

RealitY
01-29-2004, 05:50 AM
:huh: :huh:

Gutter
01-29-2004, 05:53 AM
well I guess I need a list of groups and artists that are in this Genre...

REALITY ffs :huh:

muchspl2
01-29-2004, 05:55 AM
I'd rather be a crying pussy than emo
http://images.southparkstudios.com/media/images/714/714_image_11.jpg

Gutter
01-29-2004, 06:01 AM
Originally posted by muchspl2@28 January 2004 - 21:55
http://images.southparkstudios.com/media/images/714/714_image_11.jpg
A south park episode dealing with emo? or just goths?

RealitY
01-29-2004, 06:05 AM
Emo????
http://www.sesameworkshop.org/sesamestreet/tickle/images/r_ssc_tickleelmo_1.gif
Whoa...

muchspl2
01-29-2004, 06:10 AM
you haven't see it :o


http://mrtwig.net/ilovemywork.php?p=ep&e=714

&

http://www.southparkx.net/multimedia.php?n...ws&page=season7 (http://www.southparkx.net/multimedia.php?news=episodenews&page=season7)

Gutter
01-29-2004, 06:57 PM
no i don't watch much southpark...

anyone wanna contribute as to what bands are labeled as Emo?
or an origin of emo?

3RA1N1AC
01-29-2004, 10:14 PM
emo is sort of an offshoot of punk-- a lot of people credit Guy Piccioto (of Fugazi fame) & his band Rites Of Spring with starting emo, or at least being one of emo's prototypes. i don't think Guy really enjoys being associated with emo though-- sorta like Iggy Pop hated the fact that people wanted to credit him with being the original punk rocker.

i'm no expert though. it seems like the common thread in emo is mostly the lyrics (anemic goth), fashion (moth-eaten sweaters & nerd glasses), ethics (my woe is greater than your woe), whatever... since the music itself seems to be all over the map (punk, folk, progressive rock, etc).

a pretty easy formula for writing an emo song seems to be:
1) sad angry sad angry sad
2) loud quiet loud
3) sing about getting dumped by your girlfriend, suicide, stars, booze, being sad, being angry, being lonely, etc.

a few years ago "emo" seemed like a contrived category that described a lot of sensitive teenager cliches rather than a type of music... and i doubt it's progressed very far beyond that, even now. it's mostly a shabby replacement for goth, since most people figured out that goth = bad clothes, bad hair, and bad makeup.

about.com's top 10 emo records:

1) Texas Is The Reason - Do You Know Who You Are?
2) Sunny Day Real Estate - LP2
3) Jimmy Eat World - Jimmy Eat World
4) Thursday - Full Collapse
5) Braid - Frame And Canvas
6) Dashboard Confessional - The Places You Have Come To Fear The Most
7) Further Seems Forever - The Moon Is Down
8) Saves The Day - Stay What You Are
9) Rites Of Spring - End On End
10) Embrace

FuNkY CaPrIcOrN
01-29-2004, 10:24 PM
"Originally an arty outgrowth of hardcore punk, emo became an important force in underground rock by the late '90s, appealing to modern-day punks and indie-rockers alike. Some emo leans toward the progressive side, full of complex guitar work, unorthodox song structures, arty noise, and extreme dynamic shifts; some emo is much closer to punk-pop, though it's a bit more intricate. Emo lyrics are deeply personal, usually either free-associative poetry or intimate confessionals. Though it's far less macho, emo is a direct descendant of hardcore's preoccupations with authenticity and anti-commercialism; it grew out of the conviction that commercially oriented music was too artificial and calculated to express any genuine emotion. Because the emo ideal is authentic, deeply felt emotion that defies rational analysis, the style can be prone to excess in its quest for ever-bigger peaks and releases. But at its best, emo has a sweeping power that manages to be visceral, challenging, and intimate all at once. The groundwork for emo was laid by Hüsker Dü's 1984 landmark Zen Arcade, which made it possible for hardcore bands to tackle more personal subject matter and write more tuneful and technically demanding songs. Emo emerged in Washington, D.C. not long after, amidst the remnants of the hardcore scene that had produced Minor Threat and Bad Brains. The term "emo" (sometimes lengthened to "emocore") was initially used to describe hardcore bands who favored expressive vocals over the typical barking rants; the first true emo band was Rites of Spring, followed by ex-Minor Threat singer Ian MacKaye's short-lived Embrace. MacKaye's Dischord label became the center for D.C.'s growing emo scene, releasing work by Rites of Spring, Dag Nasty, Nation of Ulysses, and MacKaye's collaboration with members of Rites of Spring, Fugazi. Fugazi became the definitive early emo band, crossing over to alternative rock listeners and getting press for their uncompromisingly anti-commercial attitudes. Aside from the Dischord stable, most early emo was deeply underground, recorded by extremely short-lived bands and released on vinyl in small quantities by small labels; some vocalists literally wept onstage during song climaxes, earning derision from hardcore purists. Fugazi notwithstanding, emo didn't really break out of obscurity until the mid-'90s emergence of Sunny Day Real Estate, whose early work defined the style in the minds of many. Tempering Fugazi's gnarled guitar webs with Seattle grunge, straight-up prog-rock, and crooned vocals, SDRE launched a thousand imitators who connected with their dramatic melodies and introspective mysticism. Some of this new generation connected equally with the wry, geeky introspection and catchy punk-pop of Weezer's Pinkerton album. While several artists continued to build on Fugazi's innovations (including Quicksand and Drive Like Jehu), most '90s emo bands borrowed from some combination of Fugazi, Sunny Day Real Estate, and Weezer. Groups like the Promise Ring, the Get Up Kids, Braid, Texas Is the Reason, Jimmy Eat World, Joan of Arc, and Jets to Brazil earned substantial followings in the indie-rock world, making emo one of the more popular underground rock styles at the turn of the millennium."




:P Taken from the Bible.As always. :lol:

3RA1N1AC
01-29-2004, 10:34 PM
Originally posted by FuNkY CaPrIcOrN@29 January 2004 - 14:24
some vocalists literally wept onstage during song climaxes, earning derision from hardcore purists.
lol. buncha sissies. crying is for wimmenz. :lol:

imported_el-producto
01-30-2004, 04:44 AM
emo hahaha. yeah thats a horrible genre with horrible bands. why cant anyone just be themselves...everyones always gotta be in a scene or something

DivineBeingX
01-30-2004, 04:52 AM
Originally posted by el-producto@30 January 2004 - 04:44
emo hahaha. yeah thats a horrible genre with horrible bands. why cant anyone just be themselves...everyones always gotta be in a scene or something
nice sig......houuston texas own color changing click

Gutter
01-30-2004, 05:24 AM
Many thanks too FuNkY CaPrIcOrN and 3RA1N1AC

I'm working on looking emo, I got the black glasses already, I just need my hair to be darker and in my face. I'll post pics as soon as i get the cam back. ;)

Adster
01-30-2004, 01:37 PM
For fuck sake too many big posts!!

Gutter
01-30-2004, 09:23 PM
sorry ad, I had a lot to say

FC&#39;s Bible shouldn&#39;t have emo as a genre <_<


The term "emo" (sometimes lengthened to "emocore") was initially used to describe hardcore bands who favored expressive vocals over the typical barking rants

I personally use the term "Melodic Hardcore" but that might not suit the music always

3RA1N1AC
01-30-2004, 10:30 PM
i think one of the things that elicits such an "i don&#39;t get it" response from guys like us is that, regardless of what emo originally was, it&#39;s become pretty much a wet dream for shy, poetry-writing 16 year old girls. and i think they are the ones responsible for it being so popular. the music is played by trend-hopping pretty-boys who may as well have been playing ska in the mid-90s and who look good in Sassy Magazine type photo spreads (unlike Leonardo Dicaprio or the N Sync guys, emo bands dress so shabby that they look almost attainable), it has all the appearance of being rebellious & independent, but it&#39;s totally divorced from the radical politics & shock value of punk. being an emo fan gives a teenager all the indie credibility of punk rock, without asking for a major commitment like buying into far-out concepts like anarchy, nihilism, or avant-garde art & thought. you can put an emo cd on a pink vanity table alongside a Dawson&#39;s Creek dvd, an Emily Dickinson book, and a teddy bear, and it doesn&#39;t look out of place at all.

i guess you could credit pop-punk bands like Green Day and Rancid with making punk safe for little girls, but emo has managed to do that while still looking authentic (rather than looking like cartoonish sell-outs, the way Green Day & Rancid did), and emo has nailed it down to pretty much an exact science.

FuNkY CaPrIcOrN
01-30-2004, 10:47 PM
;) I have it as "Indie Pop / Rock" in my Orange Database under Category.Most Bands like that.

:blink: But I have a feeling I will be adding a few more Categorys soon.Here are my Stats.With around 1300 Albums to add soon.

[none] 1276 (25.8%)

Heavy Metal 313 (6.3%)

Death Metal/Black Metal 301 (6.1%)

Hard Rock 281 (5.7%)

Electronica 260 (5.3%)

Alternative Pop/Rock 255 (5.2%)

Pop/Rock 222 (4.5%)

Country 179 (3.6%)

Psychedelic / British Invasion 150 (3.0%)

Industrial 142 (2.9%)

Punk 140 (2.8%)

Movie Score 129 (2.6%)

Singer Songwriter / Folk 113 (2.3%)

Alternative Metal 104 (2.1%)

Indie Pop / Rock 102 (2.1%)

American Traditional Rock 94 (1.9%)

Experimental 79 (1.6%)

College Rock 73 (1.5%)

Rap / Hip-Hop 72 (1.5%)

Funk / Soul 64 (1.3%)

Jazz 64 (1.3%)

Hair Metal 61 (1.2%)

Movie Soundtrack 60 (1.2%)

Blues / Blues-Rock 55 (1.1%)

Reggae 44 (0.9%)

Progressive Metal 42 (0.9%)

New Age 41 (0.8%)

Grunge 40 (0.8%)

Guitar Virtuoso 38 (0.8%)

Comedy 31 (0.6%)

New Wave 29 (0.6%)

Southern Rock 14 (0.3%)

Riot Grrrl 13 (0.3%)

Rockabilly / Psychobilly 13 (0.3%)

Ska 9 (0.2%)

Worldbeat 9 (0.2%)

Bluegrass 8 (0.2%)

Celtic / Irish 6 (0.1%)

Latin 5 (0.1%)

Children&#39;s 3 (0.1%)

Classical 2 (0.0%)

Easy Listening 1 (0.0%)


:huh: As you can see.I have around 1200 Albums already in Database that I just to not know what Category to put in.It can drive a man insane&#33; :frusty:

:lol:

twstedroads
01-30-2004, 11:30 PM
If you wanna find out what emo is all about, visit:

http://www.fourfa.com

end of topic B)

Gutter
01-31-2004, 12:15 AM
Originally posted by FuNkY CaPrIcOrN@30 January 2004 - 14:47
[none] 1276 (25.8%)
:o


for shame

Afronaut
01-31-2004, 12:16 AM
Originally posted by FuNkY CaPrIcOrN@31 January 2004 - 00:47
Guitar Virtuoso&nbsp; 38 (0.8%)

...oooh, I want to know what ya got &#33; :o

Had to check out funkycapricorn.com (http://www.funkycapricorn.com/) but could not
browse by Gategory. :unsure:

Other than that,

http://filesharingtalk.com/style_images/1/icon12.gif Loved Teh Site http://filesharingtalk.com/style_images/1/icon12.gif

:cool2:

FuNkY CaPrIcOrN
01-31-2004, 12:23 AM
Originally posted by Guitar&#045;Slinger+30 January 2004 - 19:16--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Guitar&#045;Slinger &#064; 30 January 2004 - 19:16)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-FuNkY CaPrIcOrN@31 January 2004 - 00:47
Guitar Virtuoso 38 (0.8%)

...oooh, I want to know what ya got &#33; :o

Had to check out funkycapricorn.com (http://www.funkycapricorn.com/) but could not
browse by Gategory. :unsure:

Other than that,

http://filesharingtalk.com/style_images/1/icon12.gif Loved Teh Site http://filesharingtalk.com/style_images/1/icon12.gif

:cool2: [/b][/quote]
:D I am going to have Category soon I hope. :D

;) Here is what Guitar Virtuoso I have in my Database right now.It is not much and some of it you might not think belongs there.Just what I put there.....

Eric Johnson - Seven Worlds
Eric Johnson - Ah Via Musicom
Frank Marino - From The Hip
Frank Marino - Eye of the Storm
Frank Marino - World Anthem
Gary Moore - Wild Frontier
Greg Howe - Greg Howe
Jeff Beck - Rough and Ready
Jeff Beck - Beck-Ola
Jeff Beck - Wired
Jeff Beck - Blow By Blow
jeff beck - who else&#33;
Joe Satriani - Surfing With The Alien
Joe Satriani - Strange Beautiful Music
Joe Satriani - Not Of This Earth
Joe Satriani - Engines of Creation
Joe Satriani - Crystal Planet
Joe Satriani - The Extremist
Joe Stump - Rapid Fire Rondo
Joe Stump - Supersonic Shred Machine
Joe Stump - Night Of The Living Shred
Kelly Simonz - Silent Scream
Mattias "IA" Eklundh - Freak Guitar
Richie Kotzen - Electric Joy
Steve Vai - The Ultra Zone
Steve Vai - Passion and Warfare
Steve Vai - Fire Garden
steve vai - sex and religion
Tony MacAlpine - Evolution
Tony MacAlpine - Edge of Insanity
Tony MacAlpine - Chromaticity
Tony MacAlpine - Project Driver
Tony MacAlpine - Master Of Paradise
Tony MacAlpine - Maximum Security
Vinnie Moore - Mind&#39;s Eye
Vinnie Moore - Time Odyssey
Yngwie Malmsteen - Concerto Suite for Electric Guitar and Orchestra in E Flat Minor Op. 1
yngwie malmsteen - trilogy

opivykid
01-31-2004, 01:39 AM
Good emo bands...

Hot Rod Circuit, Alkaline Trio, Get Up Kids, Thursday, Hot Water Music, Appleseed Cast, and some more that I can&#39;t think of at the moment (i&#39;ll try and add)...



Awful emo bands...

Dashboard Confessional = Stay away at all costs. This fool singalhandedly sold out the genre, with all his bullshit "emotional acoustic" songs. I mean, come on, he put out an "unplugged" cd, WHEN HE PLAYS A F*CK*NG ACOUSTIC GUITAR&#33;&#33;&#33; He deserves to die.

all the 46534545656 other bands are either generic pieces of shit, or just plain bad = Spitalfield, Story of the Year, From Autumn to Ashes, Glassjaw, Senses Fail, and oh so much more



And a few things to know...

You hear the band "Saves The Day" thrown around alot. They BASICALLY ripped off a little old band called Lifetime, who you just might want to check out. Yet, their old cds still have a few really good songs on them (cds as in "cant slow down", and "through being cool", and random comp songs as in "drag in d flat"), but, every other song that they put out, besides the ones listed, are pitiful excuses for music. You can only rip off a band for so long, before your balls fall off and you start to suck...

You&#39;re also going to hear about Coheed And Cambria alot. Ok, the guitarists are absolutly incredible, yet, the singer sounds like michael jackson&#33;&#33;&#33; If you can get into them, fine, yet it can&#39;t stand the fool...

3RA1N1AC
01-31-2004, 09:02 AM
i liked Jawbreaker. "Chesterfield King"? totally classic song.

twstedroads
01-31-2004, 02:12 PM
Some REALLY good emo bands off of the top of my head include:

Mock Orange, Mineral, The Gloria Record, Penfold, Jimmy Eat World (anything off of clarity), Go Big Casino, Further Seems Forever, The Juliana Theory, Bear vs. Shark, The Mars Volta, Planes Mistaken For Stars, Taking Back Sunday, Sparta....

ETC.

The bands will go on forever...

Finch
01-31-2004, 04:15 PM
That&#39;s the funny thing, most people would classify The Mars Volta as Prog Rock, even the band members.

Gutter - I don&#39;t think anyone could tell you who are and arn&#39;t an emo band. If you look at the bands who were labeled as emo in the early 90&#39;s (Sunny Day Real Estate) and the emo bands of today (Finch), you&#39;ll see they completley sound different. so how could they be categoriesed in the same genre?

Gutter
01-31-2004, 10:58 PM
Originally posted by Finch@31 January 2004 - 08:15
I don&#39;t think anyone could tell you who are and arn&#39;t an emo band. If you look at the bands who were labeled as emo in the early 90&#39;s (Sunny Day Real Estate) and the emo bands of today (Finch), you&#39;ll see they completley sound different. so how could they be categoriesed in the same genre?
agreed, I think No Doubt has changed their genre as well as smash mouth from the sound on their first albums up to their latests.

I still hate genres <_<

Labels are for cans

Afronaut
02-01-2004, 12:57 AM
Originally posted by Gutter+1 February 2004 - 00:58--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Gutter &#064; 1 February 2004 - 00:58)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Finch@31 January 2004 - 08:15
I don&#39;t think anyone could tell you who are and arn&#39;t an emo band. If you look at the bands who were labeled as emo in the early 90&#39;s (Sunny Day Real Estate) and the emo bands of today (Finch), you&#39;ll see they completley sound different. so how could they be categoriesed in the same genre?
agreed, I think No Doubt has changed their genre as well as smash mouth from the sound on their first albums up to their latests.

I still hate genres <_<

Labels are for cans [/b][/quote]
I think early NoDoubt was cool,
but now they sound a bit too top40 for me.
Or maybe i&#39;ve heard the songs too much lately in the Radio,
that totally Kills some songs for me sometimes, even if i liked them at first.
:(

That Padrino (smashs mouth) song is the Ultimate Party song around here,
me and me buddys get all hyped up on that one, works every time.

:lol:

:cool2:

edit: forgot to mention, Cool point about the Cans ;)

Gutter
02-01-2004, 02:18 AM
Originally posted by Guitar&#045;Slinger@31 January 2004 - 16:57
That Padrino (smashs mouth) song is the Ultimate Party song around here,
me and me buddys get all hyped up on that one, works every time.
I think "Party" could be a new genre for bands like smash mouth, no doubt, sugar ray, baha men. those bands that always play radio friendly music. (mickey mouse)

not that I&#39;m starting to enjoy genres though.

3RA1N1AC
02-01-2004, 02:28 AM
Originally posted by Guitar&#045;Slinger@31 January 2004 - 16:57
I think early NoDoubt was cool,
but now they sound a bit too top40 for me.
i actually like their current sound more than their earlier stuff...

but aside from the change in sound, i think the quality of their songwriting has improved. their last several singles have had much more memorable melodies, imho.