Those assholes bombed all over the north, 2 of their rockets fell about 5 miles from my house.. now we are all in our "safe rooms"...
Stupid arseholes.. totally legitimate for us now to go in there and bust their asses wide open.. damn them.
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Those assholes bombed all over the north, 2 of their rockets fell about 5 miles from my house.. now we are all in our "safe rooms"...
Stupid arseholes.. totally legitimate for us now to go in there and bust their asses wide open.. damn them.
So they were 5 miles off the mark then.Quote:
Originally Posted by tralalala
Btw, I heard that Israel is attacking Beirut's airport.
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Only one side shouldnt be blamed, Israelis are doing wrost, 7 childrens were killed today apart of 10's of other civilians just to release couple of soldiers, isnt that an selfishness act? practically its "do what ever it takes".
samething is going on Phalastine. am not blaming you for saying what u feel i would do same but a person should see from both sides. soldiers are to die in fields but civilians dont deserve that, i would care less if Hizballah's soldiers die in war cuz thier ment to be sacrificed but killing innocent people while trying to desmolase some commanders home or a bridge is something which nor i and i belive Nither you accept.
Israel has thousands of Lebanese and palestinians in thier prisons for more then decades and nobody cared about it but now when its comes to 2 of thier soldiers they deaclare a war on entire nation.
there is an old saying "If you cant handel a Joke dont tell a joke"
However, this is one of those "modern" jokes with no punch lines and nobody laughing at the end.
Sigh! another road map goes up in flames - although you don't need a map to go in ever decreasing circles.
A joke?? you're a dick.
I wonder how many children have been killed by Palenstinian suicide bombers?
Funny that after Israel pulled out of Gaza, the attacks kept going.Quote:
Originally Posted by BawA
They are probably thinking, "Why the fuck did we leave then?"
What kind of dick are you anyway, showing a kid with really bad smoking inhalation as if to say that other kids in Israel don't have really bad smoke inhalation?:stars:
I thought the pullout was unilateral and aimed at increasing Israeli security rather than trading land for peace.Quote:
Originally Posted by Busyman™
So they shouldn't have expected any positive consideration for having done so?Quote:
Originally Posted by ilw
Israel, of the two sides, has been moving inexorably toward a peace of separation, if not of policy.
Palestine continues in it's fractionalized and fractious fashion, as directionless and obstinate as ever.
I have heard there are Palestinian elements which desire peace, and I believe they are sincere.
Sad that they are so removed from influence...
Be safe, Rafi.
I wonder how many have been killed by Hizbollah?Quote:
Originally Posted by DanB
I wonder how many Lebonese kids have been killed by Israel?
I wonder how many Palestinian Kids have been killed by Israel?
Fact.
They're as bad as each other.. all of them.
Its bad enough when people with guns/bombs aim and kill at those likewise armed, its infinetly worse when any civilians are killed by either of the many sides involved in the Middle Eastern troubles.
And now because 2 Israeli Soldiers have been kidnapped by Hizbollah, an act condemned by the Lebanese Government, Israel have an Airstrike against an International Airport?
That means the citizens of quite a few nations were put at risk because Israel attacked the infrastructure of a country that didn't even condone the actions of the people that committed the act.
That, in my book, is an outright Act of War.
They think there will be less trouble from the people of Lebanon now?
When they're on a high after getting rid of Siria?
Hizbollah, in the mean time has admitted the Rocket attacks for some towns/areas and denied them for others that Israel announced had been attacked. Why brag about some, and deny others?
Wouldnt be the 1st time Israel has rocketed its own side in the North and attacked Lebanon because of it... at least this time we know that some of the attacks at least actually came from Hizbollah.
Tralalala, you keep your head down mate... I have a feeling its going to get a little busy around your way soon. :(
u wanna hear a joke? u need a SPEELCHEIK cuz ya weurds cumin ouwt awl rong!Quote:
Originally Posted by BawA
I am afraid the reason for the Israeli attacks is NOT JUST the kidnapping of 2 soldiers.. they also killed 7 others, and after that sent rockets all over the North.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rat Faced
Now, since Israel has pulled out of Lebanon, the UN gave Israel the go-ahead for any attacks on them, as Israel had done it's part of the deal. However, what had Hizballah done over the past 6 years? Yes, more rockets placed in South Lebanon, more "armymen", in otherwords, they were trying to get ready to piss us off, yet again.
So, they attack, kidnap, and send rockets as far as Haifa.. honestly, what did you think Israel should have done? I can tell you now, the only reason civilians in Lebanon died is because those bloody cowards hide between civilians, unlike any other country's armymen. Sad isn't it?
Plus, the Lebanese government ay not have actually made the attacks, but they had done NOTHING over the past 6 years to stop Hizballah setting shop in south Lebanon in knowledge that they were planning some kind of attack on Israel one day... That day has come, and yes, the Lebanese government is also at blame ofr this.
Now, the militants may be trying to get the 2 soldiers to Iran. a BIG nono for us, because we all still remember Ron Arad don't we? has been well over 14 years now since we last saw him, and where was he taken from Lebanon? Right, Iran... So Israel has the right to panic and retalliate, because it's Hizballah that initiated the attack, so Israel has the right to defend itself, especially after Israel did what it was supposed to do 6 years ago.. A complete pullout from Lebanon.
Since 4PM yesterday, there haven't been any rockets fired toward the area I live in, but more have been fired to Nahariya, and for the first time - to Haifa...
Oh and another thing - do you honestly, in your right mind, believe Israel would fire rockets on it's own cities???? It's obviouse Hizballah had done it, because Israel is not one of those fake-hit countries.. Israel is legit in this case.
did u get what i said... stfu thenQuote:
Originally Posted by MediaSlayer
Tralala
this is among few times which an action was started on Hizzballah side, comparing to israel its nothing, do you think that every time israel should push the button or what.
Tralala,
Instead of railing on about who is right or wrong in this situation, I just wish you safety for you and your family.
Tra,
The Lebonese only just managed to get rid of the Sirians, so you cant blame the Government there for whats been occuring for the last 6 years. They have yet to get control of the whole country, destroying their infrastructure wont help any. It does give Syria the excuse it wants to get involved again tho, maybe they will re-invade to "protect" them again.
The UN has certainly not gave you any permission to attack Lebanon, they quite rightly said that you had the right to attack Terrorists that attacked you... there weren't any in the International Airport, there were loads of civilians from all over the world that could have been there tho.
Like you said, there were loads of Hizbollah on your border.. I dont think anyone would say Israel was in the wrong in attacking those.
Israel would be just as in the wrong as they are, as soon as civilians were hit... such as on the Bridge where those bairns were.
Israel have just made a load of new enemies, and it's not as if you were running short of them already. :(Quote:
Israel has intensified its attacks on Lebanon, striking hundreds of targets including airports, highways and army bases to put pressure on the government and force Hezbollah to free two Israeli soldiers the guerrillas captured Wednesday. Seventy-three civilians have been killed in Lebanon since the offensive began.
As Hank said tho.. just keep your head down mate.. we all know where we stand on this shit probably, maybe we should just keep stum for now.
You should think about that statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by tralalala
Your country's army is largely made up of conscripts.
Where do they live when not on active duty? With their families, by any chance?
Let's see now, the families of your "armymen" are civilians, but your "armymen" are living among them. Using your standards your own civilians are legitimate targets.
Don't come here complaining about others, if you aren't prepared to apply the same standards to both sides.
Expecting gratitude would be a bit rich, if not downright daft, imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by j2k4
Also a defendable stalemate isn't quite the same as peace, but I agree that the fractious nature of palestinian authority makes things difficult, going on pointless.
I think Rat Faced makes a fair point.
I saw Bush on the tV taking about this the other night and he seemed genuinely worried about what was going to happen to the new Lebanese Government. I believe he has set quite a lot of personal store in that Government working.
It worries me that I have seen a number of Israeli sources on boards and TV talking as if the Lebanese Government and Hezbollah are one and the same. It is hardly the new Lebanese Government's fault if their armed forces are not yet strong enough to tackle the issue of the armed wing of Hezbollah and it is really questionable what advantage Israel will obtain by destroying infra-structure in the country other than bringing down the Lebanese Government and strengthening the Syrian hand once again.
It is fairly easy to see that the Iranian/Syrian connection is the main driving force here and it certainly suits Iran to have a major distraction in the region. The Lebanese and Israelis are dancing to the tune of external forces. Wars are easy to start and hard to finish. It might have been more circumspect of the new Israeli Government to take a far more measured approach. Going in like Rambo was never likely to secure the release of the two soldiers. With the UN resolution regarding the disarming of Hezbollah standing such an incident might have best been used as a catalyst for international assistance to allow Lebanon to fulfill its requirements. Coupled with Hezbollah disarmament there might have also been an opportunity to release Lebanese prisoners and also secure the soldiers release.
All this may yet happen but via a much bumpier route. Someone seems to have delivered much better weapons to Hezbollah than they previously had access to. Consequently, protracted guerilla warfare seems to be on the cards once again.
TerrorismQuote:
Israel has intensified its attacks on Lebanon, striking hundreds of targets including airports, highways and army bases to put pressure on the government and force Hezbollah to free two Israeli soldiers the guerrillas captured Wednesday. Seventy-three civilians have been killed in Lebanon since the offensive began.
I thought I made an adequate distinction on that point; I think Israel was trying, rather, to create a "stalemate" that required no real defending.Quote:
Originally Posted by ilw
Of course, our spectacles have different tinting, too...
I am for all out war. It's time. All those cowardly suicide bombers. Killing innocent women and children.
Where I do have respect for the Palestinian cause, it's their means, that's where the problem is. That's where you lose your otherwise valid argument.
So go on, shoot it out, until you are all dead..and then maybe we can read somthing else in the news..
rockets hit about 500 yards from our house.. massive noise of explosion.. will post a longer comment when its safer
So they are getting better aim then.Quote:
Originally Posted by tralalala
fuck off. i wanna see your face when a rocket hits your house.
asshole.
Rafi, you and your family are suffering, the way to alleviate that isn't by making someone else's family suffer.
It might seem like it but it really isn't. Of course, it is a very human thing to want to lash out but try to see past retribution as a way forward.
I'm not talking about Busyman's post, of course, I'm talking about your whole 'I want my country's vastly superior armed forces to crush someone' mindset.
It's very ugly.
i think that the u guys are missing the point. there are 2 Hzbulaa MPs in the gov so how come u think the gov has no connection to what happens?
So, then, it would seem the business to get about doing is the part where you turn and high-tail it into the Mediterranean, pre-empting the normally expected efforts to force you there via other, bloodier means?Quote:
Originally Posted by manker
I know that's not precisely what you are saying, manker, but that is certainly how it comes across.
Rafi's situation is rather more immediate, don't you think?
What strikes me most about Rafi's prose is that it seems to mirror, almost identically, his country's policy over my lifetime.Quote:
Originally Posted by j2k4
You hit us and we'll hit you back much harder.
It hasn't worked and I hate this eye-for-an-eye mindset. Israel's enemies know that Israel has a vastly superior force and they know that Israel has no qualms about wiping out many of their citizens when they dish out retribution -- yet they still attack.
If the Israeli people didn't want their government to get revenge vicariously for them, then most likely they could stop it happening and elect someone who might change policy. To address the root of the cause, rather than repeatedly attempting to lance the septic boil that is Hizbollah/Hamas.
Yes, I know it's been tried (and failed) before and, yes, I know that negotiation with these infatuated political fractions is fraught with difficulty that almost makes it seem like an exercise in futility - but in my book, this alone doesn't mean that Israel should continually lower themselves to the same level as their foes.
Talking is the only way to put a stop to the hostilities, this is a given due to the nature of Isreal's adversaries.
If there is no diplomatic contact, there is no hope.
...this, as well, is true, and leads us to conn the area for other motivations.Quote:
Originally Posted by manker
I have begun a thread elsewhere.
Then you misinterpret my intentions.Quote:
Originally Posted by j2
I wasn't looking to change your mind about the situation, I posted because I thought there may be a chance that Rafi will look at my words, maybe think I have a point and not be so hell bent on bloody retribtion - he has to do military service soon, you know.
There is, however, a far greater chance that he'll think I'm talking out of my hat :P
@manker: I do agree with you, I don't think killing civilians is the right way, I think we should kick the militants' asses...
The problem is, how to get to them? Diplomacy isn't helping much, and apparently using force is not helping too much either.. In that case, what do we do? Wait and take in more and more rockets, praying one doesn't slash through my house and injure me, waiting for the hopeless UN to do something? Or, on the other hand, at least try to kill some of these arseholes instead?
It's not an easy question, but there is no choice.. anyone would retalliate.
Heartening, then, that you have the wherewithal to respond, Rafi-Quote:
Originally Posted by tralalala
Do as we say, now, and stay safe. ;)
I know you don't think killing civillians is the right way but what good is killing the activists? You kill one and twenty other crazed militants are waiting to step into his shoes but are now pissed off that you killed their mate. You also have the problem of having to kill many civillians to get to the target ... .Quote:
Originally Posted by tralalala
Revenge attacks will cause more problems and solve none.
Of course you have to defend yourself, but there are ways and means of doing this, sometimes an apparent weakness, such ceding ground, can be much more effective than all the weapons in the world. Like Gaza for instance, not that it seems to have done you much good.
Like I said, diplomacy must seem like an exercise in futility but abandoning it will ensure that peace is an impossibility.
Sein Fein has 5 MP's in the British Parliament, are you trying to say the British Government controled or had any idea about where the IRA would strike?Quote:
Originally Posted by esheler
If so, how does that gel with the other 13 MP's from Northern Ireland that are not Sein Fein?
You, deliberatly or otherwise, misconstrue representation in a Parliament as being part of a Government... it isn't.
Upto half of the MP's are usually the "Opposition" to the Government.
Even if not in opposition, that does not mean that the MP is part ofthe Government. My local MP is "Labour" and its a Labour Government... he isnt part of that Government however, in fact he often votes against them.
Good Luck & Good Night Israel
the solution of all this cause is to relocate Israel to US(give up one of your state) or Africa
Too bad I can't see your face...but wait, aim is improving and camera phones are ubiquitous.Quote:
Originally Posted by tralalala
You fuck off.
I'm not going to have sympathy for you simply 'cause you infrequent the forum. You and Bawa are on opposite ends of the spectrum and you both have shit thinking. Your civilian home gets bombed so now it's okay to bomb their's.
An endless bull:shit: cycle.
:lol: its so sad that its beginning to make me laugh.
can you actually imagine your home getting bombed? eh? think about it for just a minute.. 1 measly minute. imagine what would happen. you would be terrified, no idea what to do.. thats what happened to me and many others today, yesterday, 2, and 3 days ago.
i find it hard to believe you think they should "aim better". what if they actually hit my house and i died? then what? eh? you are no more than a peice of shit you are. honestly. i feel bad for all ends involved, but i cannot tollerate someone who has no clue and thinks he knows best.
so you can fuck the hell outta here.
Yeah I can imagine my house being blown up since I had the bomb squad there where I used to live.Quote:
Originally Posted by tralalala
Your remark in the beginning makes me say, "Oh ok, tralalalalalala can just fuck the hell outta here."
I have been shot at and just grazed by a bullet but I never thought I should wipe out the people's families that shot at me.:stars:
use your brain... hes not saying that its a joke, hes quoting a saying which has a deeper meaning...Quote:
Originally Posted by MediaSlayer
what he means is that if you cant come to terms with revenge as a result of your actions you shouldnt act in the first place
Ths thread has really regressed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Busyman™
It's a good aeon and-a-half from where it started...
...and the beautiful irony here, is that your "explaining" to me what he meant was much funnier to me than my joke, or his "joke", put together! : )Quote:
Originally Posted by Sneakydave