Anyone willing to call him a "Hitler"?

Hugo Chavez, I mean...you know, Castro's pal?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.../wchavez30.xml

hitler is going a bit far, based on that article he's not even up to berlusconi levels of dodginess.

Gasp..... There are countries outside the USA that are not financially blockading a country "we" don't like.:rolleyes:



I thought conservatives supported closing/refusing licensing of TV channels.

Actually it's just ones they find offensive (too much adult content) and those that they feel have a "liberal bias" don't give republican talking points priority, and it's not called "closing" but instead not funding with public money ;)

I am against government closing any media down for political reasons, I am however wondering what the view would be if a US media outlet was part of or supported a failed attempt to overthrow our government.

No I am not willing to call him "Hitler" and quite frankly I think that the comparison is used inappropriately too often and has diminished the memory of how evil Hitler was. :dry:

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Gasp..... There are countries outside the USA that are not financially blockading a country "we" don't like.:rolleyes:



I thought conservatives supported closing/refusing licensing of TV channels.

Actually it's just ones they find offensive (too much adult content) and those that they feel have a "liberal bias" don't give republican talking points priority, and it's not called "closing" but instead not funding with public money ;)

I am against government closing any media down for political reasons, I am however wondering what the view would be if a US media outlet was part of or supported a failed attempt to overthrow our government.

No I am not willing to call him "Hitler" and quite frankly I think that the comparison is used inappropriately too often and has diminished the memory of how evil Hitler was. :dry:

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In case you hadn't noticed, Air America failed of it's own accord, not because of any conservative impulse (financial corruption and insipid content were the largest factors), and PBS and NPR (Bill Moyers' s networks) are in fine shape.

I'll bet you can't/don't/won't give the Dem's Fairness Doctrine a correct read, either.

I'm also betting you will never get an honest handle on what any conservative believes.

So, then:

We'll put you down as a Chavez fan/defender, eh?

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hitler is going a bit far, based on that article he's not even up to berlusconi levels of dodginess.

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Berlusconi is gone, I believe, replaced by a really fairminded, uh, replacement. :huh:

All of Italy sighs in relief. :dry:

His replacement is a bit of a non-entity, but whats with the disgruntled smilie? Berlusconi was a corrupt little shit.
Much of Italy did sigh in relief

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and it's not called "closing" but instead not funding with public money ;)

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No, I'm sure it's called closing when the military comes in and take your broadcasting equipment away...

Anyone willing to call jk24 stupid?

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In case you hadn't noticed, Air America failed of it's own accord, not because of any conservative impulse (financial corruption and insipid content were the largest factors), and PBS and NPR (Bill Moyers' s networks) are in fine shape.

I'll bet you can't/don't/won't give the Dem's Fairness Doctrine a correct read, either.

I'm also betting you will never get an honest handle on what any conservative believes.

So, then:

We'll put you down as a Chavez fan/defender, eh?

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What does Air America have to do with anything? (which is still running with new backing). BTW fox lost far more money in it's first years before it found a footing, just their backer had deeper pockets.
I mentioned Adult channels, which conservatives wish taken down and public broadcasting funding, which conservatives wish to stop because they claim public broadcasting has a liberal agenda.

As for Chavez, there are some things I agree with him about and some I disagree.
My post just put a bit of perspective in. The USA would close down any TV station that supported a failed by force government take over . That you may support (or at least not object to) the attempt to have the election process overturned by coup in Venezuela because you disagree with the political doctrines of Chavez is irrelevant to the issue.


On the democratic fairness doctrine I am against political control of the media. I was against the right wing calls for government control of the media when they broke news embarrassing to the administration such as the fact that they are bypassing FISA and listening to American phone calls without warrant, and I am against control of political opinion shows.
I am certainly against government controls on bias.

I just wish the media would do it's job and report accurate news.

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Actually I agree there, because "conservatives" have evolved beyond recognition into many different sub species. Which is kind of ironic because the new species are more hard line against the theory of evolution. True Conservatives are almost extinct.

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and it's not called "closing" but instead not funding with public money ;)

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No, I'm sure it's called closing when the military comes in and take your broadcasting equipment away...

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:unsure: I agree with what you say, however in the snip you quoted I was talking about "conservatives" wanting to close adult channels and in particular with public funding they wish to de-fund public broadcasting because they think it has a liberal bias.
You appear to have mixed this up with Venezuela.

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Anyone willing to call jk24 stupid?

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Go back to the Lounge.:dry:

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His replacement is a bit of a non-entity, but whats with the disgruntled smilie? Berlusconi was a corrupt little shit.
Much of Italy did sigh in relief

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I have a cousin who has lived there for over 20 years, in Rome, Naples and a few other places.

He's told me on several occasions that, in the life of your average Giuseppe, not much ever changes, no matter who's in charge.

He built a 4500 sq. ft. house, then spent 12 years defending it against local thieves before his wife, uh, deprived him of it.

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What does Air America have to do with anything? (which is still running with new backing). BTW fox lost far more money in it's first years before it found a footing, just their backer had deeper pockets.
I mentioned Adult channels, which conservatives wish taken down and public broadcasting funding, which conservatives wish to stop because they claim public broadcasting has a liberal agenda.

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Air America could rightly be called the Pussy network, but it doesn't have nine lives, I assure you.

Liberal investors have one very important quality in common with their conservative counterparts: they don't like to lose money.

Besides which, NPR/PBS have irrefutably proven programming for the liberal palate can only work with government funding and those tortuous, guilt-mongering money-raising affairs they have every other week.

Foxnews, on the other hand, has proven a solid financial value.

BTW-

Have you any idea what will be named the new Al Franken fiasco.

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As for Chavez, there are some things I agree with him about and some I disagree.
My post just put a bit of perspective in. The USA would close down any TV station that supported a failed by force government take over . That you may support (or at least not object to) the attempt to have the election process overturned by coup in Venezuela because you disagree with the political doctrines of Chavez is irrelevant to the issue.

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Perspective?

Where? When?

That fact is that such ideas, in the U.S., are discussed in our House and Senate ere they see the light of day...the last U.S. President to get by with that tactic was the guy who freed the slaves.

That you cannot tell the difference between that and the executive fiat of Chavez only emphasizes your lack of reasoning.

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On the democratic fairness doctrine I am against political control of the media. I was against the right wing calls for government control of the media when they broke news embarrassing to the administration such as the fact that they are bypassing FISA and listening to American phone calls without warrant, and I am against control of political opinion shows.

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I'll keep that in mind...

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I am certainly against government controls on bias.

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...while I revisit your recent paean to and plea for harsher hate crimes legislation. :whistling

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I just wish the media would do it's job and report accurate news.

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Have you noticed Foxnews has a "guy-in-the-street", in whose presentation can be seen shots fired, tear-gas released, and general mayhem, while CNN broadcasts from a spot-on-high, well away from the madding crowd.

Nobody else seems to be covering the events.

BTW-

While you've made a point of saying "As for Chavez, there are some things I agree with him about and some I disagree", nowhere did you deign to actually enumerate any misgivings you may feel.

Seriously, though...I don't wonder why.

Tbh, conservative "news" show make for better comedy for the simple fact that they are actually serious.

I saw some clip awhile back about comedians looking for material that depended on conservatives. Liberal material like talking about fiscal responsibilty was too boring.:lol:

There are morons that listen to conservative shows for their news coverage and others that listen to be appalled and/or laugh at it.

I won't call him Hitler because he doesn't rule from the right. I think that is a requirement to be call that name.
Not surprised what Chavez is doing.
Globovision will be next. I'm sure the word 'coup' will come up in that shutdown.
All enemies of The State must go.

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Air America could rightly be called the Pussy network, but it doesn't have nine lives, I assure you.

Liberal investors have one very important quality in common with their conservative counterparts: they don't like to lose money.

Besides which, NPR/PBS have irrefutably proven programming for the liberal palate can only work with government funding and those tortuous, guilt-mongering money-raising affairs they have every other week.

Foxnews, on the other hand, has proven a solid financial value.

BTW-

Have you any idea what will be named the new Al Franken fiasco.

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Revisit the station in 10years. Fox failed miserably for the first five.

BTW Al franken Isn't with Air America....didn't you know that?

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Perspective?

Where? When?

That fact is that such ideas, in the U.S., are discussed in our House and Senate ere they see the light of day...the last U.S. President to get by with that tactic was the guy who freed the slaves.

That you cannot tell the difference between that and the executive fiat of Chavez only emphasizes your lack of reasoning.

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The perspective was that this station supported and encouraged overthrowing an elected government, The point was that if that happened here the same thing would happen to said station. The fact that it's a hypothetical as we haven't had an uprising doesn't matter.

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...while I revisit your recent paean to and plea for harsher hate crimes legislation. :whistling

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Bias in reporting is not the same as violent crimes committed against the individual because of race/religion sexuality etc. Even for you that is a silly argument.

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Have you noticed Foxnews has a "guy-in-the-street", in whose presentation can be seen shots fired, tear-gas released, and general mayhem, while CNN broadcasts from a spot-on-high, well away from the madding crowd.

Nobody else seems to be covering the events.

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where, when?........what about Iraq? are you suggesting that all those journalist that have been killed worked for fox? :dry:

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BTW-

While you've made a point of saying "As for Chavez, there are some things I agree with him about and some I disagree", nowhere did you deign to actually enumerate any misgivings you may feel.

Seriously, though...I don't wonder why.

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Then you should also have noticed that I deigned to actually enumerate any agreement I feel. You're not trying to make something out of nothing are you? :rolleyes:

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I notice other than a bit of name calling and defame by association you have yet to comment on the closing yourself. I of course have already said

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and you have yet to deny that you favor de-funding public TV or the closure of adult channels.

BTW I hope you were outraged at the military banning our troops from blogging and Youtubing from Iraq.

Interesting side-note, some people suggest that something similar happened in the uk about 15-20 years ago when Thames Television aired a documentary about the SAS gunning down suspected Provisional IRA members in Gibraltar, apparently it pissed off Maggie and after some modifications to the law Thames lost their licence at the next opportunity (although its a lot harder to prove as it was all done more circumspectly).
Just another example of how we're a banana republic with a new lick of paint. Ho-hum

I'm surprised no-one has pointed out that Bush wanted to bomb Al Jazeera out of existence. I wonder if he was planning to use the condor legion.

http://www.antiwar.com/orig/jscahill.php?articleid=8148

No doubt someone will complain that it's from an anti-war site, but I can't be bothered to look any deeper. It's easy to find "reasons" to call someone Hitler if you take a moment to look.

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I'm surprised no-one has pointed out that Bush wanted to bomb Al Jazeera out of existence. I wonder if he was planning to use the condor legion.

http://www.antiwar.com/orig/jscahill.php?articleid=8148

No doubt someone will complain that it's from an anti-war site, but I can't be bothered to look any deeper. It's easy to find "reasons" to call someone Hitler if you take a moment to look.

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Always with the Bush angle,eh?

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Revisit the station in 10years. Fox failed miserably for the first five.

BTW Al franken Isn't with Air America....didn't you know that?

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"The Station" won't be around in ten years, and you may bank on the fact... unless it becomes yet another black hole for government largesse.

The Al Franken reference was a joke, vid, though his absence won't help Air America.

It is doomed by the very concept it embodies. ;)

Meanwhile, the rioting continues...

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Revisit the station in 10years. Fox failed miserably for the first five.

BTW Al franken Isn't with Air America....didn't you know that?

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"The Station" won't be around in ten years, and you may bank on the fact... unless it becomes yet another black hole for government largesse.

The Al Franken reference was a joke, vid, though his absence won't help Air America.

It is doomed by the very concept it embodies. ;)

Meanwhile, the rioting continues...

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Again, liberal radio is quite boring.

Liberal straight talk is boring. Liberals making fun of conservatives is quite funny.

It's more funny talking about someone who is seriously fucked in the head than talking about someone who is making sense. There's no comedy in it.

I wish someone would post the clip of the comedians for conservatives (or some shit like that).

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"The Station" won't be around in ten years, and you may bank on the fact... unless it becomes yet another black hole for government largesse.

The Al Franken reference was a joke, vid, though his absence won't help Air America.

It is doomed by the very concept it embodies. ;)

Meanwhile, the rioting continues...

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Again, liberal radio is quite boring.

Liberal straight talk is boring. Liberals making fun of conservatives is quite funny.

It's more funny talking about someone who is seriously fucked in the head than talking about someone who is making sense. There's no comedy in it.

I wish someone would post the clip of the comedians for conservatives (or some shit like that).

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Conservatives=Funny(Fucked in the head.)
Liberals=Boring(Completely Sane.)
Did I understand that correctly?

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Again, liberal radio is quite boring.

Liberal straight talk is boring. Liberals making fun of conservatives is quite funny.

It's more funny talking about someone who is seriously fucked in the head than talking about someone who is making sense. There's no comedy in it.

I wish someone would post the clip of the comedians for conservatives (or some shit like that).

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Conservatives=Funny(Fucked in the head.)
Liberals=Boring(Completely Sane.)
Did I understand that correctly?

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Not necessarily.

Although outnumbered by right wing talk shows there are plenty of liberal talk radio shows that make money and have been around for a while.
There are very few nationally syndicated talk shows of either wing compared to the amount of local.
Air America differs because it's an entire station trying to go national. They are also trying to do it with a sponsorship policy in keeping with their political ideas... environment friendly ethical employment/consumer practice etc. etc. and so a lot of "big business" sponsorship money is unavailable.

Financially viable within an ethical code is not the same as having no audience, no matter how much J2 wishes it so.

The right wing talk shows don't care as long as they get money.

I would add that melanie morgan found out that she can't just say what she likes. She lost a lot of sponsorship money when that guy sent recordings of her shows to the companies that sponsor them via agencies.

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Again, liberal radio is quite boring.

Liberal straight talk is boring. Liberals making fun of conservatives is quite funny.

It's more funny talking about someone who is seriously fucked in the head than talking about someone who is making sense. There's no comedy in it.

I wish someone would post the clip of the comedians for conservatives (or some shit like that).

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It's more funny talking(liberal) about someone(conservative) who is seriously fucked in the head than about someone(liberal) who is making sense.
That isn't what you were implying?

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I'm surprised no-one has pointed out that Bush wanted to bomb Al Jazeera out of existence. I wonder if he was planning to use the condor legion.

http://www.antiwar.com/orig/jscahill.php?articleid=8148

No doubt someone will complain that it's from an anti-war site, but I can't be bothered to look any deeper. It's easy to find "reasons" to call someone Hitler if you take a moment to look.

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Always with the Bush angle,eh?

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Why not?

Are you going to try to defend what he wanted to do?

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Always with the Bush angle,eh?

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Why not?

Are you going to try to defend what he wanted to do?

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If you need me too. My point was you seem to take any topic and turn it into a George Bush expose.
No one gets anything out of constant Bush bashing.
If the point is relevant to the topic then have a wail.
If not than contribute something that advances the original question.
Yours truly,
Max.

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Again, liberal radio is quite boring.

Liberal straight talk is boring. Liberals making fun of conservatives is quite funny.

It's more funny talking about someone who is seriously fucked in the head than talking about someone who is making sense. There's no comedy in it.

I wish someone would post the clip of the comedians for conservatives (or some shit like that).

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It's more funny talking(liberal) about someone(conservative) who is seriously fucked in the head than about someone(liberal) who is making sense.
That isn't what you were implying?

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Not necessarily.

For instance, which can you get more comedic material from?

The person talking about balancing the budget or

The person wanting to spend like fuck and also cut taxes

The person that wants to teach the theory of evolution in science class or

The person that wants to teach the Bible....in science class

How about the dick suck of a news station that deliberately put "Mark Foley - Democrat" knowing full well he was Repub?

Man I could go on and on. I say not necessarily cuz there are some libs to make fun of like Jefferson who had all that money in his fridge....and people still supported him....and Republicans defended him (Twilight Zone):wacko:.

I say that people that support some of this stuff are fucked in the head. I like some conservative ideals but neo-cons have seemed to move away from even those.

If you want the Bible taught in science class, you are fucked in head and an idiot. I think someone mixed up faith and hypothesis.

If you support a President that spearheaded the biggest fuck-up in my lifetime, and were outraged over Clinton's dick suck, you are fucked up and if idiots like that end up being a 3/4 majority then the world is fucked.

3000+ soldiers dead, so what....Clinton had his dick sucked.:O

I also don't see many laughable clips from CNN but there is a plethora of them from Faux News (that's the Repub's personal hot mouth).

[youtube]gBLjtCIi1qE[/youtube]

Btw, I don't buy the Hitler crap either. I also don't buy that Venezuela is democratic or was it ever?).

I think someone brought Bush up due to who brought up Chavez and Hilter (the thread starter). It was kinda sorta loike irony FTW!!

If it was someone else who started the thread, it might have been different. I am no fan of Chavez myself but he gained many fans in the states by selling discounted home heating oil to the poor over here. It may have been propaganda but it was the kind that made a difference in many people's lives.

It is natural to draw parallels. You seemed silent about other folks that were mentioned.

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Air America differs because it's an entire station trying to go national. They are also trying to do it with a sponsorship policy in keeping with their political ideas... environment friendly ethical employment/consumer practice etc. etc. and so a lot of "big business" sponsorship money is unavailable.

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And that in turn means they must attempt to appeal to "small business", which has no money to spare, and has generally a more conservative stance than "big business".

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Financially viable within an ethical code is not the same as having no audience, no matter how much J2 wishes it so.

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Oh yes, it is the same, no matter how much you think I wish it were so.

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I would add that melanie morgan found out that she can't just say what she likes. She lost a lot of sponsorship money when that guy sent recordings of her shows to the companies that sponsor them via agencies.

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Who is Melanie Morgan?

Is she on Air America? :huh:

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It's more funny talking(liberal) about someone(conservative) who is seriously fucked in the head than about someone(liberal) who is making sense.
That isn't what you were implying?

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Not necessarily.

For instance, which can you get more comedic material from?

The person talking about balancing the budget or

The person wanting to spend like fuck and also cut taxes

The person that wants to teach the theory of evolution in science class or

The person that wants to teach the Bible....in science class

How about the dick suck of a news station that deliberately put "Mark Foley - Democrat" knowing full well he was Repub?

Man I could go on and on. I say not necessarily cuz there are some libs to make fun of like Jefferson who had all that money in his fridge....and people still supported him....and Republicans defended him (Twilight Zone):wacko:.

I say that people that support some of this stuff are fucked in the head. I like some conservative ideals but neo-cons have seemed to move away from even those.

If you want the Bible taught in science class, you are fucked in head and an idiot. I think someone mixed up faith and hypothesis.

If you support a President that spearheaded the biggest fuck-up in my lifetime, and were outraged over Clinton's dick suck, you are fucked up and if idiots like that end up being a 3/4 majority then the world is fucked.

3000+ soldiers dead, so what....Clinton had his dick sucked.:O

I also don't see many laughable clips from CNN but there is a plethora of them from Faux News (that's the Repub's personal hot mouth).

[youtube]gBLjtCIi1qE[/youtube]

Btw, I don't buy the Hitler crap either. I also don't buy that Venezuela is democratic or was it ever?).

I think someone brought Bush up due to who brought up Chavez and Hilter (the thread starter). It was kinda sorta loike irony FTW!!

If it was someone else who started the thread, it might have been different. I am no fan of Chavez myself but he gained many fans in the states by selling discounted home heating oil to the poor over here. It may have been propaganda but it was the kind that made a difference in many people's lives.

It is natural to draw parallels. You seemed silent about other folks that were mentioned.

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Ya know BusyMan you make it very hard for me to even want to discuss things with you when you Constantly use such gutter language.
Calling people names. Elevating yourself above anyone who doesn't think like you. It's all so ridiculous I'm not sure how to even approach it.

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Not necessarily.

For instance, which can you get more comedic material from?

The person talking about balancing the budget or

The person wanting to spend like fuck and also cut taxes

The person that wants to teach the theory of evolution in science class or

The person that wants to teach the Bible....in science class

How about the dick suck of a news station that deliberately put "Mark Foley - Democrat" knowing full well he was Repub?

Man I could go on and on. I say not necessarily cuz there are some libs to make fun of like Jefferson who had all that money in his fridge....and people still supported him....and Republicans defended him (Twilight Zone):wacko:.

I say that people that support some of this stuff are fucked in the head. I like some conservative ideals but neo-cons have seemed to move away from even those.

If you want the Bible taught in science class, you are fucked in head and an idiot. I think someone mixed up faith and hypothesis.

If you support a President that spearheaded the biggest fuck-up in my lifetime, and were outraged over Clinton's dick suck, you are fucked up and if idiots like that end up being a 3/4 majority then the world is fucked.

3000+ soldiers dead, so what....Clinton had his dick sucked.:O

I also don't see many laughable clips from CNN but there is a plethora of them from Faux News (that's the Repub's personal hot mouth).

[youtube]gBLjtCIi1qE[/youtube]

Btw, I don't buy the Hitler crap either. I also don't buy that Venezuela is democratic or was it ever?).

I think someone brought Bush up due to who brought up Chavez and Hilter (the thread starter). It was kinda sorta loike irony FTW!!

If it was someone else who started the thread, it might have been different. I am no fan of Chavez myself but he gained many fans in the states by selling discounted home heating oil to the poor over here. It may have been propaganda but it was the kind that made a difference in many people's lives.

It is natural to draw parallels. You seemed silent about other folks that were mentioned.

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Ya know BusyMan you make it very hard for me to even want to discuss things with you when you Constantly use such gutter language.
Calling people names. Elevating yourself above anyone who doesn't think like you. It's all so ridiculous I'm not sure how to even approach it.

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Mmk, sub in have weird illogical thinking for fucked in the head and had fellatio performed on him for dick sucked.

And sorry, I calls it like I see it. There is no wiggle room for outrage on Clinton's flandering but support for 3000+ of our soldiers dead. There is no wiggle room for Bible study in science class. It is utterly stupid and to see people actually serious about such things, makes them look crazy.

As far as elevating myself, maybe so in a sense. You may have thought some of Hitler's ideals nutty. So do I.

I would like a person to justify some of these things like Bible study in science class. It is hard for me not to back them in a corner about it but I am willing to listen. Maybe tell me how Mitt Romney is any better than John Kerry. Maybe tell me about N'Orleans. Mmk the locals fucked up so let's let part of the US drop of the face of the earth, the Prez can't pull rank or step on any toes.

Busy, sometimes it's better to butt out.

I was going to enjoy seeing him try to defend action that J2 was trying to get defined as Hitler-like. :lol:

The right hand not knowing what the right hand is doing is always fun to watch.

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Busy, sometimes it's better to butt out.

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Eh? I wasn't trying to do a team up, ya know.

I talks me own shite, so to speak.:ermm:

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Busy, sometimes it's better to butt out.

I was going to enjoy seeing him try to defend action that J2 was trying to get defined as Hitler-like. :lol:

The right hand not knowing what the right hand is doing is always fun to watch.

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Well, now you've just gone and lost me.

Have you become a Bush fan at all (at all).

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Busy, sometimes it's better to butt out.

I was going to enjoy seeing him try to defend action that J2 was trying to get defined as Hitler-like. :lol:

The right hand not knowing what the right hand is doing is always fun to watch.

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If you bothered to read my initial post you would see I would not defend Chavez's actions.
I said I wasn't willing to call him Hitler.
Before you make a statement try knowing what your talking about.
Neither will I call Bush or any other leader on the Planet Hitler-like.
If you need a history lesson on what Hitler did compared to what leaders today are doing open a book.

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Busy, sometimes it's better to butt out.

I was going to enjoy seeing him try to defend action that J2 was trying to get defined as Hitler-like. :lol:

The right hand not knowing what the right hand is doing is always fun to watch.

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Well, now you've just gone and lost me.

Have you become a Bush fan at all (at all).

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Not a bush fan, more a Constant Gardener.:rolleyes:

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Ya know BusyMan you make it very hard for me to even want to discuss things with you when you Constantly use such gutter language.
Calling people names. Elevating yourself above anyone who doesn't think like you. It's all so ridiculous I'm not sure how to even approach it.

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Mmk, sub in have weird illogical thinking for fucked in the head and had fellatio performed on him for dick sucked.

And sorry, I calls it like I see it. There is no wiggle room for outrage on Clinton's flandering but support for 3000+ of our soldiers dead. There is no wiggle room for Bible study in science class. It is utterly stupid and to see people actually serious about such things, makes them look crazy.

As far as elevating myself, maybe so in a sense. You may have thought some of Hitler's ideals nutty. So do I.

I would like a person to justify some of these things like Bible study in science class. It is hard for me not to back them in a corner about it but I am willing to listen. Maybe tell me how Mitt Romney is any better than John Kerry. Maybe tell me about N'Orleans. Mmk the locals fucked up so let's let part of the US drop of the face of the earth, the Prez can't pull rank or step on any toes.

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You lack of compromise is truely Un-American.
How about a bible class instead of bible in science class. Would you be for that? Probably not.
If your thinking scientifically you should understand that science is what is used to prove much of what the bible says.
Don't confuse science class with teaching evolution and I wont confuse it with teaching creationism..k?
I wouldn't defend Romney.
As far as N'Orleans. That was a purely sickening happening. But lets consider the fact that it was built in a bowl in the middle of hurricane central with a lake above it. That being said I'll agree the Gov. completely lost face in N'Orleans. Maybe if it wasn't such a sludge of a Gov. something could get done.
I've had family over in Afghanistan. I know what it feels like..mmk.
And for a final time I Would Not Compare Anyone To Hitler.
Maybe Rosie....:D

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Mmk, sub in have weird illogical thinking for fucked in the head and had fellatio performed on him for dick sucked.

And sorry, I calls it like I see it. There is no wiggle room for outrage on Clinton's flandering but support for 3000+ of our soldiers dead. There is no wiggle room for Bible study in science class. It is utterly stupid and to see people actually serious about such things, makes them look crazy.

As far as elevating myself, maybe so in a sense. You may have thought some of Hitler's ideals nutty. So do I.

I would like a person to justify some of these things like Bible study in science class. It is hard for me not to back them in a corner about it but I am willing to listen. Maybe tell me how Mitt Romney is any better than John Kerry. Maybe tell me about N'Orleans. Mmk the locals fucked up so let's let part of the US drop of the face of the earth, the Prez can't pull rank or step on any toes.

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You lack of compromise is truely Un-American.
How about a bible class instead of bible in science class. Would you be for that? Probably not.

Of course not. Not in public school.:dry: Why would Bible class need to be there at all? Do intend to have a philosophy class? Well that would involve more than just the Bible. I learned about Shintoism, Confucianism (sp?), Judaism, etc. in one class but it wasn't biology.

Is it a Christian school? Well by all means....Bible away.

All this stuff is pretty cut and dry.

If your thinking scientifically you should understand that science is what is used to prove much of what the bible says.

The Bible doesn't prove anything in science though.

Don't confuse science class with teaching evolution and I wont confuse it with teaching creationism..k?

The theory of evolution has a basis in science. The Bible does not.

I wouldn't defend Romney.

....and he seems like a stand up guy.

As far as N'Orleans. That was a purely sickening happening. But lets consider the fact that it was built in a bowl in the middle of hurricane central with a lake above it. That being said I'll agree the Gov. completely lost face in N'Orleans. Maybe if it wasn't such a sludge of a Gov. something could get done.

The problem wasn't just the governor though. After a local fuck up, it took 5 days, 5 DAYS! for outside help. Then I sat and watched as the President came to town....with the food (of course). He had a crying girl on his shoulder and manuevered her (while she cried) for a photo-op.

Sickening indeed. I do not blame Bush for Katrina happening. That would be mad.

I've had family over in Afghanistan. I know what it feels like..mmk.
And for a final time I Would Not Compare Anyone To Hitler.
Maybe Rosie....:D

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I wouldn't compare Chavez to Hitler either.

I have a number of childhood friends, family of friends, and simple acquaintances in Iraq. I know some of them have fought in battle before. I think it's more sting for myself and their family to know that they shouldn't be there. Mind you, there could be any number of crap skirmishes that wouldn't know about that be just as much bullshit as Iraq.

We know this is bullshit and a huge vat of it at that.

Underneath it all, I have been told that moral is low by just a handful of soldiers although they will do as told. I have been told also that most don't want to speak their mind (against this crap) aloud for obvious reasons. Tbh, I don't think soldiers should do that for reporters. Luckily family (& some friends) get the story and that's who counts.

Btw, certain compromises are corrupt. Sometimes there is a right way and a wrong way.

I fail to see why Christian Bible study should be afforded special status in public school. "Cuz a lot of people want it" ain't good enough. Those lot of poeple could be morons.

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I wouldn't compare Chavez to Hitler either.

I have a number of childhood friends, family of friends, and simple acquaintances in Iraq. I know some of them have fought in battle before. I think it's more sting for myself and their family to know that they shouldn't be there. Mind you, there could be any number of crap skirmishes that wouldn't know about that be just as much bullshit as Iraq.

We know this is bullshit and a huge vat of it at that.

Underneath it all, I have been told that moral is low by just a handful of soldiers although they will do as told. I have been told also that most don't want to speak their mind (against this crap) aloud for obvious reasons. Tbh, I don't think soldiers should do that for reporters. Luckily family (& some friends) get the story and that's who counts.

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Do you think the politiking of the war has anything to do with their morale?
I'd be interested to know why their morale is low. Is it because they don't believe they should be there,body count(I hate that term by the way),or because of the media never showing achievement over there?

There are justifications for war. The lines have been so blurred as to the current reasons why we are in Iraq I'm not sure too many(other than the uber-hawkish) could really make an argument without thinking they knew it was not quite right.

I do get tired of the Vietnam parallels as well. Taken in context I find it hard to find hardly a reasoning for calling it by that name. Of course each persons view of history is distorted by those who make up history.

I do wish you are your friends in Iraq well and hope they come home safe.

There was a woman on The Washington Journal the other day who said all this "I support the troops but not the war is a bunch of crap."
She said she had a bumper-sticker that said "I support the War but not the Troops." Thought that was pretty good.

We must Always support the troops.

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I wouldn't compare Chavez to Hitler either.

I have a number of childhood friends, family of friends, and simple acquaintances in Iraq. I know some of them have fought in battle before. I think it's more sting for myself and their family to know that they shouldn't be there. Mind you, there could be any number of crap skirmishes that wouldn't know about that be just as much bullshit as Iraq.

We know this is bullshit and a huge vat of it at that.

Underneath it all, I have been told that moral is low by just a handful of soldiers although they will do as told. I have been told also that most don't want to speak their mind (against this crap) aloud for obvious reasons. Tbh, I don't think soldiers should do that for reporters. Luckily family (& some friends) get the story and that's who counts.

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Do you think the politiking of the war has anything to do with their morale?
I'd be interested to know why their morale is low. Is it because they don't believe they should be there,body count(I hate that term by the way),or because of the media never showing achievement over there?

1)The media is always showing achievement over there. I believe it's a great point and counterpoint that both sides are shown. By the body count though, the achievement pales in comparison.

2)They believe shouldn't be there. As do, I believe, most of the public and congress.

3)They also don't like the body count. How could they?

There are justifications for war. The lines have been so blurred as to the current reasons why we are in Iraq I'm not sure too many(other than the uber-hawkish) could really make an argument without thinking they knew it was not quite right.

There are justifications for me robbign a bank too. The lines haven't been blurred. There is a before reason and an after reason. The before reason was completely wrong and the after reason is cleaning up the mess we've created/administration saving face.

I do like when I hear, "We went into Iraq to get Al Qaeda." Nooooo, Al Qaeda is there nowwww because of us.

I do get tired of the Vietnam parallels as well. Taken in context I find it hard to find hardly a reasoning for calling it by that name. Of course each persons view of history is distorted by those who make up history.

Yeah I think Vietnam was a more worthy fight. When Saddam invaded Kuwait, that was more worthy a fight than this crap we are in.

I do wish you are your friends in Iraq well and hope they come home safe.

There was a woman on The Washington Journal the other day who said all this "I support the troops but not the war is a bunch of crap."
She said she had a bumper-sticker that said "I support the War but not the Troops." Thought that was pretty good.

We must Always support the troops.

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I agree I support the troops. Basically I think like the troops think, get the job done so they can get their asses home.

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Do you think the politiking of the war has anything to do with their morale?
I'd be interested to know why their morale is low. Is it because they don't believe they should be there,body count(I hate that term by the way),or because of the media never showing achievement over there?

1)The media is always showing achievement over there. I believe it's a great point and counterpoint that both sides are shown. By the body count though, the achievement pales in comparison.

2)They believe shouldn't be there. As do, I believe, most of the public and congress.

3)They also don't like the body count. How could they?

There are justifications for war. The lines have been so blurred as to the current reasons why we are in Iraq I'm not sure too many(other than the uber-hawkish) could really make an argument without thinking they knew it was not quite right.

There are justifications for me robbign a bank too. The lines haven't been blurred. There is a before reason and an after reason. The before reason was completely wrong and the after reason is cleaning up the mess we've created/administration saving face.

I do like when I hear, "We went into Iraq to get Al Qaeda." Nooooo, Al Qaeda is there nowwww because of us.

I do get tired of the Vietnam parallels as well. Taken in context I find it hard to find hardly a reasoning for calling it by that name. Of course each persons view of history is distorted by those who make up history.

Yeah I think Vietnam was a more worthy fight. When Saddam invaded Kuwait, that was more worthy a fight than this crap we are in.

I do wish you are your friends in Iraq well and hope they come home safe.

There was a woman on The Washington Journal the other day who said all this "I support the troops but not the war is a bunch of crap."
She said she had a bumper-sticker that said "I support the War but not the Troops." Thought that was pretty good.

We must Always support the troops.

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I agree I support the troops. Basically I think like the troops think, get the job done so they can get their asses home.

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The bold was a joke. She was trying to make the point that to her both were asinine statements.
I think the reasons have been blurred. People bought the war in the beginning because of WMD's.
Now we've got a hundred and one explanations why we are there..in that respect I think they've been blurred..that's what I meant.
By justification I meant for example...Hitler(there's that name again). Pearl Harbor...etc. These are legitimate reasons to raise the troops.
If you can give me a station that gives a balance between achievement and deaths,car bombs,etc..I'd like to know.