Why New Trackers Are Worthless And More Importantly Dangerous

With the recent influx of new trackers, I decided to let the general public know why these are such threats to the people who create them and the users who dedicate their time to them.

First of all what is the motive behind a new tracker? Most will say profits, but nearly all trackers are in the negative, and to start a tracker for pure profit without looking at the ones in existence already is foolish. I really think it has to be because of glory or to step up the torrent "e-penis" ladder. Recently, Ipwn was shutdown because, from what I have read and heard, the Sysop promoted a widely known user named "becs" to sysop to obtain invites, becs refused to invite him and he shut down the tracker and a lot of people got screwed of their bandwith and time. Ipwn looked terrible to begin with, we already have 2 preexisting trackers that are both rebutable and abundant in music. I really dont understand what you can accomplish by making a tracker. You will lose money, time, and more importantly respect. Do you really think you will earn glory by making a stupid tracker? Come'on....
Second, New trackers have become nothing but cool little name trackers. Tracker like iFi hook you in because your curiosity lures you since its a super duper secret site. With such a small userbase its nearly impossible to stay alive much less compete with other community orientated trackers. Again, why it was started up is beyond me, i cant speak for iFi since i haven't seen the inside of it or know anybody who uses it. What actually makes me mad is the amount of users that obliviously persue these sites. Are you dumb? A three letter symbol and a hint of secretive nature is all it takes for the invite section to come crashing down with requests and worst of all trades
Thirdly, you may be asking how this actually effects you. You spend time and bandwith, obviously, which equate to money. But what really is scary is the people who run these new trackers HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA WHAT THEY ARE DOING. Having a tracker is like having a baby, you need to constantly keep it up and fix issues. These guys have no idea what they are doing, their codes are incredibly flaw. They have more holes then orficies of the human species combined. Before I join any site a obtain a copy of the code of the tracker itself, its east to do this, right click webpage > View Source. Then i usually ask questions if I can, then see what type of reputation it has. The only secure site that I have seen in writing for myself is FTN, i actually just joined and instantly saw that the coder has well taught. I don't want to get into how you can tell, but just purely off rep you know that a tracker is secure. Another tracker that I know is secure just cause ive seen the code, haven;t been on it, is FSC. FSC is probably the most secure site tracker orientated. Whoever their coder is, hes doing a good job at what hes suppose to do, keeping his site and users safe. New Trackers don't even have their user database encrypted, which means you are f'ed if someone with any general knowledge of computers decides to screw a tracker over. Case-point Bit-hdtv, those morons let the user id and passwords of a majority of their users be leaked ON THEIR IRC. Even after that meltdown, people still continue to use it and/or join even less secure sites. I wouldn't even leech off more then 3/4 of the sites because of flaws. Most new trackers run ON WINDOWS SERVERS. Again, this is really dumb, i dont even want to get into details. Google is your friend here.
I dont even see why joining a new tracker is tempting, you lose both ways. You can't win unless they lock up invites for 5 years and the level rises. I get a hench thats why users are still join new trackers. Every conceivable idea for trackers is nearly taken, if you are offering the same crap everyone else is but with a different design, you fail.
NOW IF YOU WANT TO STILL MAKE A TRACKER HERE ARE SOME TIPS:

* Dont run Windows Server
* Your going to take losses, so brace
* Be original, no more general 0day trackers
* Stop naming your tracker retard names, freeleech4u? lol......
* For the love of god have some idea how to code before you open up your doors
* Dont try to be l33t
* Ask your friends, if you have any, if they would be interested in joining before you boot up, you'll get a good idea if your tracker would be desirable or not

Anyway, that just sums up my views on new trackers but what do i know i only have 14 posts(i think) :/, thanks for reading

-TDK

Nice post 1080p :)
Couple of other points I think people should now is that you need plenty of experience as staff before even thinking about opening a tracker.
I think you need at least 3 months costs to cover the site when you open up as a minimum or it is not gonna last even that long.
Names is a good issue as well, I would not use any of the following words torrent, leech, seed I would sooner see names like the mutznootz or beesknees than No1torrents

mutznootz a torrent site, or a fetish site

we may never know :)

it's nice to see new members who have the ability to contribute with quality posts once in a while. thanks for your statment. no news, but well reflected. keep it up!

welcome to fst.

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mutznootz a torrent site, or a fetish site

we may never know :)

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A fetish torrent site could be on the cards :lol:

Well written, well thought exposé, but you should work some more with spaces, makes reading more easily. ;)

Some things I'd like to add:

- When saying some trackers are unsecure and leak their PW's...that is easily overcome by using a different PW at every single tracker you are a member from.

- I doubt the user you mention from **C really liked that. Moreover I don't think **C likes any publicity at all, and not only their URL.

- The ones persuing all these new trackers are not the smartest sheap in the shed imho. I honestly can't see, when having a normal 'real' life you have time to be active on more than let's say 5 trackers ... and still people want to join more 'new' l33t trackers. Imho that is because they don't have access to the socalled 'high level' trackers and are interested by the appeal to be part of some new potentially high level secret tracker.

- A lot of members (not all) that are part of these high-level trackers tend to show off with it ... just look at the amount of users that are having/had a userbar in their signature. Some do it to showoff, some might be actually proud being a part of this or that community, but if you use some common sense you should not reveal what tracker you are part of like that.
A nice, little and most of all secure tracker is partly achieved by remaining in the shadows. Maybe it is time some members of these 'elite' trackers understood that.

- The biggest BT-problem is that BT has become a medium for the masses ... that can never be really good, looking at the overwhelming amount of retards our 'real-life' society counts.

Anyway ... welcome 1080p :fst:

nice post dude , and thanks for your statement :)

nice post
how many new trackers we will have today? ;)
4-5? 10? lol

I also want to congratulate you on your post 1080p, your views are well thought out and presented, I agree with the warnings about new tracker fever, but then the mad rush for XYZ tracker is usually the province of the
collectors, just to have something that others have only heard about, no matter how badly coded, what daft rip-off template is used, or the quality
of the material on the tracker.
But then you can say just use what you need till you are blue in the face there are still many users out there with 30-40 tracker a/c's, so there will
always be the hunger for the next greatest thing, and as long as you can use
the words 'secret', 'elite', only a small select userbase blah blah blah blah, there will always be those clamoring to be first in the queue, such is life but thank you for your thoughts on why you should look at joining a new tracker, maybe it will make some step back and think ?

One last thing:

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Originally Posted by Duckater

Names is a good issue as well, I would not use any of the following words torrent, leech, seed I would sooner see names like the mutznootz or beesknees

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so TL is doubly screwed ? :naughty:

Nice job, dude
Imaginary reps to you!!

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Originally Posted by 1080p

* Ask your friends, if you have any, if they would be interested in...

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I lol`d

oh hai brandon

I ment for a new tracker in the current climate m8 :)

Id like you to check out sct and see what you think of "security"

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Originally Posted by Feeling

Id like you to check out sct and see what you think of "security"

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There isnt a competition to see how secure one site is against another, just like there isnt a competition between pre's. Nobody is competing to grab users. If your secure then you're secure, some sites dont even utilize https protocol, which is a joke. Before https, all information was unencrypted, meaning if you knew what you were doing you read information in and out of the site like a book.

I'm sure a top level site like sct has coders just as good, but I cant speak for it since I haven't seen the code. Needless to say, for a site that has as many users as sct does compared to FTN or FSC, then the script has to be adjusted to that. I dont think users realize how much of the site they dont see when they're browsing. Endless of protocols and checks for the top notch sites, you dont get anything close to that with a started up tracker.

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Originally Posted by 1080p

Before I join any site a obtain a copy of the code of the tracker itself, its east to do this, right click webpage > View Source. Then i usually ask questions if I can, then see what type of reputation it has.

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while agree with you post in general, this quote is completly wrong and makes me wonder if you know anything about programming...

you don't see shit in the html source page, it's just the presentation layer generated by the server, from a java, php, ruby, perl program, whatever, they all produce html to the user browser. That's it... you can't prevent sql injection in this layer and you can't say a tracker is secure looking at the html source in any way, the security is on the back end and unless you have an access to the source files on their server, forget it

so basically, you will never see the code unless the sysop wants to give it to you or if you hack them of course (but then you would have your answer about their security already hehe)

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Originally Posted by Feeling

Id like you to check out sct and see what you think of "security"

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HOLY SHIT do u know what the fuck you are talking about? Do you remember me..the one who had 50 hacked accounts at YOUR site...then u disabled me when you could have given a warning...ya your site is so secure....besides the point i had 50 hacked accounts...your moderators were in shock when they saw it and just stared in awe and u say your site is so secure...put your money where your mouth is :whistling

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Id like you to check out sct and see what you think of "security"

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HOLY SHIT do u know what the fuck you are talking about? Do you remember me..the one who had 50 hacked accounts at YOUR site...then u disabled me when you could have given a warning...ya your site is so secure....besides the point i had 50 hacked accounts...your moderators were in shock when they saw it and just stared in awe and u say your site is so secure...put your money where your mouth is :whistling

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heumm....your not exactly the kind of person we want around here

He also has f accounts ahahah :) as far as i remember

The best thread i've seen here in the last weeks...

Btw, I really want to see 1080p's answer to the KFlint's first post.

It's a really interesting one. At least a lot of users will learn something, including me ofc.

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Originally Posted by f.b.i

the best thread i've seen here in the last weeks...

Btw, i really want to see 1080p's answer to the kflint's first post.

It's a really interesting one. At least a lot of users will learn something, including me ofc.

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Originally Posted by 1080p

Before I join any site a obtain a copy of the code of the tracker itself, its east to do this, right click webpage > View Source. Then i usually ask questions if I can, then see what type of reputation it has.

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while agree with you post in general, this quote is completly wrong and makes me wonder if you know anything about programming...

you don't see shit in the html source page, it's just the presentation layer generated by the server, from a java, php, ruby, perl program, whatever, they all produce html to the user browser. That's it... you can't prevent sql injection in this layer and you can't say a tracker is secure looking at the html source in any way, the security is on the back end

so basically, you will never see the code unless the sysop gives it to you

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That's true..tracker have a front and back end..it's the back end where all the hacks are at and the serious coding.

Still 1080p's rant about planning b4 opening up a tracker for the sake of it is a good one :)

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Id like you to check out sct and see what you think of "security"

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HOLY SHIT do u know what the fuck you are talking about? Do you remember me..the one who had 50 hacked accounts at YOUR site...then u disabled me when you could have given a warning...ya your site is so secure....besides the point i had 50 hacked accounts...your moderators were in shock when they saw it and just stared in awe and u say your site is so secure...put your money where your mouth is :whistling

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you didn't hack sct, or any of that crap, you just used passwords from some lame tracker that didn't encrypt their users details and tried them at sct.

So do you know what you are talking about? Retard.

This went from a good general statement to "I had 50 accounts on your tracker". Unreal, what's next... are you going whip out your e-penis and compare it to others? :whistling

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Originally Posted by Feeling

So do you know what you are talking about? Retard.

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retard?

Retarded

quite

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Originally Posted by 1080p

Before I join any site a obtain a copy of the code of the tracker itself, its east to do this, right click webpage > View Source. Then i usually ask questions if I can, then see what type of reputation it has.

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while agree with you post in general, this quote is completly wrong and makes me wonder if you know anything about programming...

you don't see shit in the html source page, it's just the presentation layer generated by the server, from a java, php, ruby, perl program, whatever, they all produce html to the user browser. That's it... you can't prevent sql injection in this layer and you can't say a tracker is secure looking at the html source in any way, the security is on the back end and unless you have an access to the source files on their server, forget it

so basically, you will never see the code unless the sysop wants to give it to you or if you hack them of course (but then you would have your answer about their security already hehe)

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html source is one of many ways to see that basic site design and what potential security have/have nots it has, from being on the site(FTN) I know if it is coded properly or not, obviously no sysop would ever reveal their code to (that would be dumb, almost as dumb as creating a tracker) you, but in general, you know if you are safe or not.......I can only name 5-6 trackers that I know I can be absolutley (not really) safe. Also their code could easily be obtained if they run server 03 or 00, hence why the noobs who created trackers always get pwned.

But your absolutley right, you can't know for sure, but I've chatted with members who know a bit about the inside of the code and they wouldn't tell me a tracker was secure if it wasn't.

This was a nice thread, with things open to debate, but as almost always derived in other thing.:(
Please, let´s keep it on subject.:huh:

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* Ask your friends, if you have any,

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Kwalitee post, freindship request sent :whistling

Couldn't agree more. And as far as ScT goes I think it's very secure myself. Usually though when I see a new tracker I sign up with a dummy name and mail and pass, to see if I like it, and to see if my accounts get hacked. (I've had this happen to my ScT account, and my Tophos account after I signed up for a tracker I won't name, but that's because they like to stay in the shadows)

If everything's ok, I delete the account and ask someone for another invite sometime later and use it.

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Originally Posted by Feeling

Id like you to check out sct and see what you think of "security"

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HOLY SHIT do u know what the fuck you are talking about? Do you remember me..the one who had 50 hacked accounts at YOUR site...then u disabled me when you could have given a warning...ya your site is so secure....besides the point i had 50 hacked accounts...your moderators were in shock when they saw it and just stared in awe and u say your site is so secure...put your money where your mouth is :whistling

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OMFG WHAT A H4X0R!!

HE CAN PHISH PEOPLE!! OMG WTF?!?!

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If you want to show off your "skills" go brag about it at W-BB, where people seem to care.

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Couldn't agree more. And as far as ScT goes I think it's very secure myself. Usually though when I see a new tracker I sign up with a dummy name and mail and pass, to see if I like it, and to see if my accounts get hacked. (I've had this happen to my ScT account, and my Tophos account)

If everything's ok, I delete the account and ask someone for another invite sometime later and use it.

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it depends if you use your actual ip address when you signup, not only do some of these noob trackers pose risk to your account security, what possibly even your personal security in regards to fines. I just say dont risk it, only thing I'd have to say wrong from sct is that they have pay2invite

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Originally Posted by Feeling

Id like you to check out sct and see what you think of "security"

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HOLY SHIT do u know what the fuck you are talking about? Do you remember me..the one who had 50 hacked accounts at YOUR site...then u disabled me when you could have given a warning...ya your site is so secure....besides the point i had 50 hacked accounts...your moderators were in shock when they saw it and just stared in awe and u say your site is so secure...put your money where your mouth is :whistling

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your genes should be eliminated from the gene-pool so nobody has to deal with your incompetence

Not only did you screw yourself over for any type of respect, you've given up your identity

Moron.

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Originally Posted by 1080p

it depends if you use your actual ip address when you signup, not only do some of these noob trackers pose risk to your account security, what possibly even your personal security in regards to fines. I just say dont risk it, only thing I'd have to say wrong from sct is that they have pay2invite

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I did use my home IP to sign up but whatever. I doubt ScT is going to get hacked anytime soon or do anything to put me at risk.

As far as pay2invite, let them do what they want. If it works for them, fine. Besides, theres plenty of other ways to get free ScT invites throughout the year. Besides, I got invited for free. You just gotta know people.

I misread your post, i had thought you meant that you used a dummy acc, etc. on a newly made tracker
ScT is pretty reputable, I wouldn't think twice about my account or personal identity being compromised on there

as for trackers like "lovethescene.net"

its a crapshoot

Agreed.

I was on that bit-hdtv list. Unbelievable. Madness on forums when some idiots posted the links on the forum. Luckily I always use different passwords (password managers ftw) on all torrent sites I use.
I immediately left bit-hdtv. You can't take a tracker like that serious after what happened.

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Originally Posted by 1080p

I misread your post, i had thought you meant that you used a dummy acc, etc. on a newly made tracker

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I did say that, which I only started it doing recently. Ever since iTS, right after I joined there I had my accounts tried to be hacked into, so any new tracker that wasn't made by someone I know and trust, then I do use a dummy name/pass.

Interesting stuff. I had my FTN account hacked recently and believe it may have been a staffer somewhere, no clue where though. I think I holed up the security on my end, but idk. In any case, the fact is most new trackers are clearly worthless and won't be around long.

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I misread your post, i had thought you meant that you used a dummy acc, etc. on a newly made tracker
ScT is pretty reputable, I wouldn't think twice about my account or personal identity being compromised on there

as for trackers like "lovethescene.net"

its a crapshoot

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im not trying to show off my skills...i didnt even hack it...i just know some hackers...and i handed over the list of user and passes to the sct staff...its not like i used it or something

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HOLY SHIT do u know what the fuck you are talking about? Do you remember me..the one who had 50 hacked accounts at YOUR site...then u disabled me when you could have given a warning...ya your site is so secure....besides the point i had 50 hacked accounts...your moderators were in shock when they saw it and just stared in awe and u say your site is so secure...put your money where your mouth is :whistling

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you didn't hack sct, or any of that crap, you just used passwords from some lame tracker that didn't encrypt their users details and tried them at sct.

So do you know what you are talking about? Retard.

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first thing i didnt hack sct...or any of that crap...i really didnt do anything all did was recieve a list of user and passes to your site from a hacker...and also i handed it over to you...thats all i did if u remember correctly

still calling me retarded? i did the right thing and handed it over to u and u calling me retarded? wow i help and this is the thanks i get...screw u.

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HOLY SHIT do u know what the fuck you are talking about? Do you remember me..the one who had 50 hacked accounts at YOUR site...then u disabled me when you could have given a warning...ya your site is so secure....besides the point i had 50 hacked accounts...your moderators were in shock when they saw it and just stared in awe and u say your site is so secure...put your money where your mouth is :whistling

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heumm....your not exactly the kind of person we want around here

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damnit it i didnt hack it! i handed it over to him! i was being a good person.....wtf?

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HOLY SHIT do u know what the fuck you are talking about? Do you remember me..the one who had 50 hacked accounts at YOUR site...then u disabled me when you could have given a warning...ya your site is so secure....besides the point i had 50 hacked accounts...your moderators were in shock when they saw it and just stared in awe and u say your site is so secure...put your money where your mouth is :whistling

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OMFG WHAT A H4X0R!!

HE CAN PHISH PEOPLE!! OMG WTF?!?!

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If you want to show off your "skills" go brag about it at W-BB, where people seem to care.

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again..i didnt do any hacking...honestly i have no clue how to hack...i said i got a list of them and give it to them...when the fuck did i say i hacked their site? and when the fuck was i bragging...im just surprised he said that sct is "secure"

in the list i got i basically found NO accounts to any of the actually secure trackers

if u think sct is secure ur wrong...u can buy an invite for crying out loud...u can just go look in a bunch of forums and find people selling invites!

tbh it looks like your saving you ass here you clearly say that you were the one who hacked 50 accounts and the staff was an "aw", maybe you were trying to be a good person, but from what the original post says, you claim, and are darn proud of it, that you hacked Feeling's site.

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im not trying to show off my skills...i didnt even hack it...i just know some hackers...and i handed over the list of user and passes to the sct staff...its not like i used it or something

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HOLY SHIT do u know what the fuck you are talking about? Do you remember me..the one who had 50 hacked accounts at YOUR site...then u disabled me when you could have given a warning...ya your site is so secure....besides the point i had 50 hacked accounts...your moderators were in shock when they saw it and just stared in awe and u say your site is so secure...put your money where your mouth is :whistling

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you didn't hack sct, or any of that crap, you just used passwords from some lame tracker that didn't encrypt their users details and tried them at sct.

So do you know what you are talking about? Retard.

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first thing i didnt hack sct...or any of that crap...i really didnt do anything all did was recieve a list of user and passes to your site from a hacker...and also i handed it over to you...thats all i did if u remember correctly

still calling me retarded? i did the right thing and handed it over to u and u calling me retarded? wow i help and this is the thanks i get...screw u.

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HOLY SHIT do u know what the fuck you are talking about? Do you remember me..the one who had 50 hacked accounts at YOUR site...then u disabled me when you could have given a warning...ya your site is so secure....besides the point i had 50 hacked accounts...your moderators were in shock when they saw it and just stared in awe and u say your site is so secure...put your money where your mouth is :whistling

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heumm....your not exactly the kind of person we want around here

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damnit it i didnt hack it! i handed it over to him! i was being a good person.....wtf?

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HOLY SHIT do u know what the fuck you are talking about? Do you remember me..the one who had 50 hacked accounts at YOUR site...then u disabled me when you could have given a warning...ya your site is so secure....besides the point i had 50 hacked accounts...your moderators were in shock when they saw it and just stared in awe and u say your site is so secure...put your money where your mouth is :whistling

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OMFG WHAT A H4X0R!!

HE CAN PHISH PEOPLE!! OMG WTF?!?!

[/sarcasm]

If you want to show off your "skills" go brag about it at W-BB, where people seem to care.

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again..i didnt do any hacking...honestly i have no clue how to hack...i said i got a list of them and give it to them...when the fuck did i say i hacked their site? and when the fuck was i bragging...im just surprised he said that sct is "secure"

in the list i got i basically found NO accounts to any of the actually secure trackers

if u think sct is secure ur wrong...u can buy an invite for crying out loud...u can just go look in a bunch of forums and find people selling invites!

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First of all your dumb, lets just get that out of the way

Now secondly, the site has NO RESPONSIBLITY that a user uses the same password on each site and gets pwned, when I say secure I meant that you would probably never get a list on unencrypted id's and passwords from sct's site, but if you get them from lets say lovethescene.net and cross reference them, wth is sct suppose to do......moron
Also, security for me means you won't get f'ed by mpaa and riaa and also your personal information ie. ip, passwords wont get leaked to authorities and/or other users

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tbh it looks like your saving you ass here you clearly say that you were the one who hacked 50 accounts and the staff was an "aw", maybe you were trying to be a good person, but from what the original post says, you claim, and are darn proud of it, that you hacked Feeling's site.

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nah im god damn proud that i had that list and witnessed that and also they gave me an invite because i turned in all those accounts....so believe me i was a good person and handed it over

im not saving my ass kinda just pissed that people misinterpreted it....tbh i dont know shit about hacking

and for the record i could careless if my account here is active or not....i just like reading the news and also if i ever need to use newsgroups this is a great site for it...only reason im here