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been away for some time, what happened to waffles, closed ?
no it is still up
What do you mean by closed? It isn't open signups if that's what you mean.
still working
you have to be admin to login. sorry.
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Originally Posted by piratebot
No but it works.
That's just a fake page, KushBlow is correct of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by KushBlow:lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by piratebot
No but it works.
What's much easier to get in so if you've got What then Waffles isn't much for you if you aren't going for their 'Iron Waffles' 100% FLAC rips.
No i think he is reffering maybe due to the fact that it often goes offline for short amounts of time for maintenance, seems to be regular thing but ususally i go off for a tea come back and its all fine.
I can't understand why people would download a file 5 times as large for a negligible increase in sound quality.Quote:
Originally Posted by AniStoned
Some people must simply have better ears than me.
If a codec ever comes out that is significantly better than MP3-V0... let me know, and I'll just redownload it :P.
maybe you dont notice because u havent got very good sound system, rubbish speakers sound rubbish whatever u play through them, im sure u would be able to tell the difference between a flac and a mp3 on a decent sound system.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrenyaI can't understand why people would download a file 5 times as large for a negligible increase in sound quality.Quote:
Originally Posted by AniStoned
Some people must simply have better ears than me.
If a codec ever comes out that is significantly better than MP3-V0... let me know, and I'll just redownload it :P.
I download V0 for my mp3 player and it's perfectly acceptable, V2 sounds grainy and horrible in comparison to my ears, FLAC sounds crystal clear and the sound simply sparkles on high end, proper hi-fi stereo equipment and the sound truly breathes. The difference is easier to hear on some albums over others depending on the recording level used by the producer, a lot of albums these days are recorded close to max level to create impact and grabs the users attention it can be harder to tell the difference when this is the case. It's on albums that have parts recorded quietly and loudly that the subtle differences begin to show.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrenyaI can't understand why people would download a file 5 times as large for a negligible increase in sound quality.Quote:
Originally Posted by AniStoned
Some people must simply have better ears than me.
If a codec ever comes out that is significantly better than MP3-V0... let me know, and I'll just redownload it :P.
If your interested take a mp3 album and a flac album down to your nearist specialist HI-FI store and ask them to play the same track from each version and you will instantly notice the difference.
Your ears are not the only factor in this you also need to take into consideration, the equipment you are listening to, the way it's set up, the acoustics of your listening environment & what your actually listening too.
For some people the extra 4 or 500Mb is definitely worth it, having the actual source data also has the added benefit of you being able to share it with others in any encoding format that they would like. Obviously on multi format music sites this has the hidden benefit of you being able boost your ratio allowing you to grab extra toons for yourself, naturally the convenience of V0 mp3 also has it's advantages and is the format of choice for most users.
Stop giving incorrect advise to legitimate questions please.Quote:
Originally Posted by piratebot
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Originally Posted by BrenyaI can't understand why people would download a file 5 times as large for a negligible increase in sound quality.Quote:
Originally Posted by AniStoned
Some people must simply have better ears than me.
If a codec ever comes out that is significantly better than MP3-V0... let me know, and I'll just redownload it :P.
and you can find more info at what.cd forum
and i am pretty sure didnt change url but if you talking about oink yesQuote:
Originally Posted by melatonin
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I guess my ipod is rubbish :dabs:Quote:
Originally Posted by Villalltheway
By God, I'll do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Time-Traveller
since when has ipods been able to play flac files? Dont know but have i missed something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brenya
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Originally Posted by Villallthewaysince when has ipods been able to play flac files? Dont know but have i missed something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brenya
don't think it can natively but i'm sure he's talking about rockbox ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Villallthewaysince when has ipods been able to play flac files? Dont know but have i missed something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brenya
I think you can modify your ipod to play flac files. There was a thread/tutorial about this in BTmusic. I haven't tried it yet.
ps. welcome to the family Gekko. Good to see you in here as well.
lol wheres waffles turned into mp3 vs flac
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Originally Posted by Albo Da Kid
Register on the head-fi.org forums and check out the Portable Source Gear board within the Equipment forums, it's without doubt the best resource on the net for all your audio answers & as somebody mentioned earlier rockbox can make your IPOD do lots of things but if you don't use high end in ear phones it's still gonna sound like a goose farting in the fog :)
Backs what i said up if u use shit equipment it will always sound shit regardless of what format u play it in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Time-TravellerQuote:
Originally Posted by Albo Da Kid
Register on the head-fi.org forums and check out the Portable Source Gear board within the Equipment forums, it's without doubt the best resource on the net for all your audio answers & as somebody mentioned earlier rockbox can make your IPOD do lots of things but if you don't use high end in ear phones it's still gonna sound like a goose farting in the fog :)
Everyone has their own opinion on the subject, and it does get a little tiring at times. But get yourself at least a half way descent system(along with a nice pair of cans), as Villa pointed, and you should most definitely be able hear a difference. If you're not really into music though...the type that downloads the latest teenage pop or emo album just to listen on their ipod on their walk to school or at lunch...or something like that, then I wouldn't really bother with it. Since nice setups can get pretty expensive, and not really worth it if you're only going to listen here and there. If you're not this type of person though, then give it a shot. I'm sure you'll be impressed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brenya
Not only is lossless music my most downloaded files because of the quality, I also like converting the files to 320 myself for when I put music on and listen to my mp3 player. I feel better converting it from source than grabbing someone else's already converted upload. I guess it's piece of mind.
You do realize the irons simply check logs, right? :dry:Quote:
Originally Posted by AniStonedThat's just a fake page, KushBlow is correct of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by KushBlow
What's much easier to get in so if you've got What then Waffles isn't much for you if you aren't going for their 'Iron Waffles' 100% FLAC rips.
They do that automatically at what.cd, though I guess you'd feel more 'comfortable' having it done by a real person
Also, even with the best gear, MOST people cannot hear any difference. Most of the people who claim to hear differences are posers. Misinformation at this forum is astounding.
FLACs are generally downloaded for archival purposes (you have a lossless copy, verses a lossy codec that might/will become obsolete. You can burn perfect discs. etc)
what's logchecker isn't the best btw.
You have just astounded me, do you have a link where I can find your research that led you to this conclusion or did you just make it up ?Quote:
Originally Posted by tX
the keyword is most.Quote:
Originally Posted by Time-TravellerYou have just astounded me, do you have a link where I can find your research that led you to this conclusion or did you just make it up ?Quote:
Originally Posted by tX
visit hydrogenaudio.org and look at the results of their listening tests. most have a hard time ABX-ing lame V5 with a high anchor.
people who claim they can hear differences rarely back it up with proof.
It's one of those things that's virtually impossible to back up with proof short of wiring the listener up to a brain scan to see the subtle differences in brain activity when listening sources of varying quality as it's totally subjective to the individual listener and of course the placebo effect has to be taken into account.Quote:
Originally Posted by piratebotthe keyword is most.Quote:
Originally Posted by Time-Traveller
visit hydrogenaudio.org and look at the results of their listening tests. most have a hard time ABX-ing lame V5 with a high anchor.
people who claim they can hear differences rarely back it up with proof.
I thought that hydrogen audio is a well respected infobase for audiophiles but if they are spouting nonsense about not being able to tell the difference between a high anchor & V5 (110 to 150 kbps) then I'd have to reconsider, try listening to 128kbps track and V0 track I know for a fact there is a audible difference and this is without bringing flac into the equation
tell me how you know for a fact. i'm curious to see how you back this up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Time-Traveller
Dead simple I can hear the difference in sound quality, it's kinda like the difference between a standard TV and a HD one, an HD source on the HD TV just has a clearer picture, fact,Quote:
Originally Posted by piratebottell me how you know for a fact. i'm curious to see how you back this up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Time-Traveller
However I can't prove it to someone who can't tell the difference
And like Traveler said, it comes down to personal taste, so how is he ever supposed to "back up his proof"?
Hell, people think mint chocolate chip ice cream is the bomb, but I hate the guts out of it. But how can i ever prove to someone that chocolate chop cookie dough ice cream is so much better? Its all subjective.
So don't claim that Time T can't hear the difference. Perhaps he can. Perhaps his ear is more attuned to it than yours?
I know I can tell a difference between a high quality mp3 and a flac, but I also use some expense in ear phones.
P.S. - Check out the site Time T mentioned. Head-fi.org is an awesome site if you need help with audio equipment. Just be sure and hide your wallet somewhere, lest you put a huge hole in it :P
double blind tests eliminate placebo.
A while ago, some guy at the what.cd forums got the same audio file, encoded in a ton of different bitrates, and got people to listen to them.
The lower bitrates were easier distinguished (sub 128, which would be "normal TV" by your analogy), but VERY few got the higher ones, and those were probably fluked
It still depends on what you're using to produce the sound.Quote:
Originally Posted by tX
I heard that you can hear a big difference between a V0 and a FLAC if you've got a Audiophile grade Hi-Fi system.
You HEARDQuote:
Originally Posted by AniStonedIt still depends on what you're using to produce the sound.Quote:
Originally Posted by tX
I heard that you can hear a big difference between a V0 and a FLAC if you've got a Audiophile grade Hi-Fi system.
And anyway, the best I've ever heard is a slight difference. Your friend is probably posing as a miracle ear
ITT: placebo effect :dry:
If you THINK something will sound better, it'll feel like it does
If you really want to know where some people are coming from when they state they can tell the difference, get a headphone amp, and then get some high quality in-ear headphones and you'll see what they're talking about.
Get some phones with really good isolation. The sound quality is unbelievable.
You mean the Placebo effect, don't you?
So do you think it's a big jump from V2 - V0?
I'm more of a V0 person.
I do actually. I've been listening to V0's on my ipod at work for a long time now. I've got a couple V2s on there, and every time they pop up I can tell a difference. In fact, a lot of the times I find myself turning the volume up a notch with the V2s hit.
This is using an isolating canal phone.
I would love to see some of you perform a proper ABX test with V2 and V0.
Just because you have high end equipment, doesn't mean you are automatically able to distinguish such differences. placebo
You really are an unbeliever aren't you.
Anyways I used to be just as cynical and pessimistic about the topic. And of course equipment alone doesn't make you an expert.
Who knows, maybe I just have some crappy v2 rips *shrugs*