...his new Green Jobs Czar, Van Jones.
Seems like an amiable fellow.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yt66eWnjoTo
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...his new Green Jobs Czar, Van Jones.
Seems like an amiable fellow.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yt66eWnjoTo
You are needing to relax Kev. Trolling for for type of sh*t all the time can't be doing your blood pressure any good. I could send you some blood pressure pills. Save you paying for them. We get them for free* under the umbrella of the horrible NHS you have been told about.
*We actually pay for them during our working years. We also pay for the NHS during our working years in the form of percentage of our wages to cover NHS, retirement pension, unemployment etc. Bit like communism you would say.:whistling
Amiable and perceptive, what's not to like?Quote:
Originally Posted by j2k4
How about his incredibly racist views just for starters? Or how about his self given appellation of "Communist"? Or his job for four years with STORM? A group "explicitly committed to revolutionary Marxist politics". And it isn't like this was 40 years ago; that would be scary enough. This was in the mid-90's FFS!
This gives just a taste of this guys startling past. How does a man with that resume end up in the White House? :blink:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gP1-tGQzO_0[/youtube]
Right wingers are going to have to change the voting system in order to get a say. Keeping the 'first past the post' system is going to get you outvoted at every election. Immigration has meant that the majority of voters are now to the left. Wake up before it is too late. Proportional Representation is the only answer.:)
Goody.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skiz
Glen Beck doesn't like him...that makes him OK in my book.
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Originally Posted by clockerGoody.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skiz
Glen Beck doesn't like him...that makes him OK in my book.
So-
You're okay with the communist ideal, huh?
I see a bumper sticker that says "McCarthy never gave these poor guys a chance".
Will they sue for reparations, I wonder.
Compared to the Republican version of democracy...yup.Quote:
Originally Posted by j2k4
Like Barney Frank said, talking to this kind of people is like talking to a coffee table.
I can't believe that Kev and company don't give it a rest already
Or perhaps you'd like to see the same information on a neutral site?Quote:
Originally Posted by clocker
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Jones#Early_activism
Or perhaps you prefer to listen to him say that white people are to blame for this or that....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=em_B6fouTfk
That's exactly what "they" want us to do. :mellow:Quote:
Originally Posted by pentomato
Who the voices?Quote:
Originally Posted by SkizThat's exactly what "they" want us to do. :mellow:Quote:
Originally Posted by pentomato
So your indiscriminate hatred of republicans leads you to indiscriminately endorse communists.Quote:
Originally Posted by clockerCompared to the Republican version of democracy...yup.Quote:
Originally Posted by j2k4
Well done.
They're so lucky to have you on their side.Quote:
Originally Posted by pentomato
A willingness to quote a coffee table like Barney Frank is a rare trait indeed.
There's nothing "indiscriminate" about my dislike of Repubs, I've spent a lot of time/effort honing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by j2k4
You and Skiz should take care...don't want you all tuckered out before you can start working for the Cheney/Palin ticket in 2012.
As you know, Skiz and I are inexhaustable.
In 2012 we will support a candidate who can win, and victory shouldn't be much of a reach.
If I were you, I'd worry about next year, and never mind the republicans - watch out for the conservatives.
BTW-
Glad to have you finally acknowledge your commie-hood; it allows a certain shorthand in posting.
A very republican thing to say, if you don't like republicans you are a commie, hey let the buzz go, sooner or later they will find you, maybe in a bathroom, maybe in another country, that's they way your side likes it.:frusty:Quote:
Originally Posted by j2k4
Who sould I quote? Maybe any looser in the GOP? don't worry KEV, you guys won't have the great white hope any time soon.:fst:Quote:
Originally Posted by j2k4So your indiscriminate hatred of republicans leads you to indiscriminately endorse communists.Quote:
Originally Posted by clocker
Well done.
They're so lucky to have you on their side.Quote:
Originally Posted by pentomato
A willingness to quote a coffee table like Barney Frank is a rare trait indeed.
Sorry, not going to "worry" about politics anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by j2k4
On a side note...what's the difference between a republican and a conservative?
Without going and picking through better articulated definitions than I can usually muster, and in my own experiences, there is quite a bit of difference.
In the past few years I don't even call myself a Republican, but a conservative (who more closely relates to the Republican party than the Democratic).
I don't believe in any organized religion. I'm an evolutionist. In my mind it's been clearly proven. That belief separates me from much of the core foundation and constituency of the Republican party. They also speak of conservatism with regard to spending and laws but have done a poor job at demonstrating it.
For example, the recent "stimulus" bill had the eyes of the country on it. It was a bill that was the largest ever passed by not only our country, but of any country ever, and it went through without being fully read by a single member of Congress. That bill should have been a no-brainer for Republicans. It was the first big bill by Obama and the Dems, it was nothing but a spending bill through and through which was riddled with earmarks. If ever there was an obvious bill for Republicans to take a stance on and demonstrate their "conservative" beliefs, this was it. They should have all voted against it. It was the perfect opportunity to separate themselves from the Dems in the spotlight of the country. It was their chance to put their foot down and reestablish the parties beliefs and better emphasis the excessive spending of the Dems.
But they didn't.
That is the difference in Repubs and conservatives.
If you need a living example, look no further than my own Governor.
And the conservatives are the one's that are pro family and take trips to Argentina to cheat on their wives, and the one's that are anti gay and go to public bathrooms looking for gay lovers? Ok, Ok now I know the difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skiz
The definition of conservatives is total hipocresy.
Get real. You can bash anyone for a number of things.
I could sit here and say Democrats leave injured women after car crashes and let them drown, or cite one of the many examples of a Democrat being unfaithful. I'm fairly certain Democrats don't stand for those things but I wouldn't say "Democrats are hypocrites" due to the transgressions of a few.
But that's different, right?
OK, I read the wiki ...still don't see what the big deal is.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkizOr perhaps you'd like to see the same information on a neutral site?Quote:
Originally Posted by clocker
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Jones#Early_activism
Surely, Beck's discovery of communist art in Rockefeller Plaza trumps this.
Oh and did you know...our tax dollars are going to a UNESCO program that tells kids that masturbation won't make them blind.
Holy crap! Bring on the outrage!
No the definition of conservative is aspiration, a word with which you have no acquaintance, nodding or otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by lamuller
We get our own sorted sooner or later - we don't habitually excuse poor behavior, as you have done for years (and years) with the like of Barney Frank, you see.
So, conservatives occupy the moral high ground, eh?
"Don't habitually excuse poor behavior"?
Seems to me that conservatives will excuse any sort of behavior if it appears to forward their agenda.
Clearly, out and out lying doesn't bother conservatives...see: "Death Panels" and "Birthers" for two recent examples.
Or, let's take the egregious politicization of even the most mundane...say, Obama's upcoming speech to schoolchildren.
The President prepares to urge kids to apply themselves and take advantage of whatever educational opportunities still exist and the right goes nuts.
When Reagan did the very same thing (and used the occasion to push his low tax agenda), apparently that was fine.
Seems to me that the current definition of conservative is "against anything Obama is for", regardless of the consequence.
Then your perception is misleading you.Quote:
Originally Posted by clocker
Conservatives condemn poor behavior, but hypocrisy is a human trait, one liberals only abide in other liberals.
As a conservative, I (for example) condemn Mark Sanford, and call for his ouster.
As a liberal, you sanction Barney Frank's gay basement brothel, and defend him to the death.
As a liberal, you excuse Charles Rangel's financial shenanigans, and likewise Nancy Pelosi's overlooking of the facts.
As a liberal, you don't mind Chris Dodd, et.al., receiving sweetheart deals on loans.
I could go on, but I have yet to witness your denunciation of any liberal trespass, as you prefer to reserve your outrage for "hypocritical" republicans.
Your "standards" (insofar as you can be said to possess any) are only selectively applied, you see?
I thought liberals were for fairness and equality.
"Death panels"?Quote:
Originally Posted by clocker
"Birthers"?
Are those like "Truthers"?
That's odd.Quote:
Originally Posted by j2k4
Among all the Fox News drivel you post I have yet to see you "condemn" Sanford.
Maybe you were whispering.
Again, very odd.Quote:
Originally Posted by j2k4
Perhaps you can repost the thread where I defended Barney Frank (and my subsequent death, apparently).
And your shots from the moral high ground aimed at Conservatives/repubs?Quote:
Originally Posted by j2k4
I recall one fairly tepid comment about Bush but only after he'd already wreaked havoc for eight years.
Seems it took you a long time to decide he wasn't a "true" conservative after all.
I'd say my standards are about on par with yours.Quote:
Originally Posted by j2k4
Whether either of us have any is debatable, of course.
By conservative standards, apparently, yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by j2k4"Death panels"?Quote:
Originally Posted by clocker
"Birthers"?
Are those like "Truthers"?
I did it when I posted just then, didn't I?Quote:
Originally Posted by clocker
Do you require reproduction of an historical document in order for it to be true?
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Originally Posted by j2k4
I can't let you get away with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by clocker
You have attempted on other occasions to defend Barney Frank (the Fannie/Freddie thread leaps to mind), who exercises his "I'm queer and thus protected - what's it to you" personna when "lecturing" anyone who questions him about anything at all.
This trait is somehow interpreted by liberals as evidence of incredible intelligence.
The pure fact is Mr. Frank's intelligence is unexceptional; he's just gay...and therefore beyond reproach.
You totally miss my point, which is as follows:Quote:
Originally Posted by j2k4
You have never (never, never at all) roused yourself to criticize a democrat/liberal/progressive anywhere on the board, at any time, yet you expend all sorts of effort to roundly criticize even those who criticize liberals, all the while giving it to every republican who walks by as well.
I, on the other hand, have started and participated in several long-running threads wherein I criticized many on both sides.
You missed alot, didn't you?Quote:
Originally Posted by clocker
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Originally Posted by j2k4
Correct form dictates I grant this small (tiny, really) point.Quote:
Originally Posted by clocker
Quote:
Originally Posted by j2k4"Death panels"?Quote:
Originally Posted by clocker
"Birthers"?
Are those like "Truthers"?
If it all really just comes down to that, you could ring down the entire thread merely by publishing the least complaint about a liberal...but then, nothing is ever quite that easy, is it.Quote:
Originally Posted by clocker
So, I'm a partisan fanboi and you- much like Fox News- are "fair and balanced".
Pardon me while I chuckle into my bourbon.
Bourbon.
You, sir, have changed the subject.
I am a liberal, so it's allowed.
Same as drinking bourbon at 9 AM...it's in the U.S.S. Constitution.
One down.....
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elec...d-controversy/
Good for you Skiz...and Glen Beck too, I guess.
Let's make sure that during this time when the country is in dire straits, we don't spend any time trying to right the ship...instead, let's politicize every goddamn little thing and above all, make sure that absolutely nothing that Obama says or attempts goes unchallenged or succeeds.
Let's turn something as innocuous as a speech to schoolchildren- which was perfectly OK when Reagan and the two Bushs did exactly the same thing- into a major political showdown...a piece of stupidity which your home state seems to be the home of.
Boy howdy, way to go.
Let's be careful to make sure that none of our real problems get addressed while we throw up misinformation and outright lies and try to scare the electorate into reelecting the same set of fucktards who drove us into the ground in the first place.
Yeah, that sounds like a real goal.
Glad to see you have a plan Skiz, moronic as it may be.
USA, FUCK YEAH!
I'm actually taken aback by the level of crazy we've seen of late. I thought that I had seen it all. The objections to the president addressing students took it to a new level.Quote:
Originally Posted by clocker
:glag:Quote:
Originally Posted by clocker
You're wound up as fuck. There was all sorts of reaching going on there.
"Let's make sure that during this time when the country is in dire straits, we don't spend any time trying to right the ship...instead, let's politicize every goddamn little thing and above all, make sure that absolutely nothing that Obama says or attempts goes unchallenged or succeeds."
We're politicizing everything because we're talking about politics. And yes, I will continue to scrutinize every anti-American deed Obama attempts to put forth in an effort to ensure he doesn't succeed in righting a ship many of us feel isn't off course.
I think those were few and far between. I didn't object to it. I've actually only seen one single mention of the story on any network/newspaper/magazine/conversation or otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by devilsadvocateI'm actually taken aback by the level of crazy we've seen of late. I thought that I had seen it all. The objections to the president addressing students took it to a new level.Quote:
Originally Posted by clocker
Oh, I see.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skiz:glag:Quote:
Originally Posted by clocker
You're wound up as fuck. There was all sorts of reaching going on there.
We're politicizing everything because we're talking about politics. And yes, I will continue to scrutinize every anti-American deed Obama attempts to put forth in an effort to ensure he doesn't succeed in righting a ship many of us feel isn't off course.
Everything was hunky dory till the Dems squashed you in the last election, eh?
And what "anti-American" deeds are you referring to?
Actually, nevermind.
After sitting complacently while Bush/Cheney shredded the Constitution for eight years, I doubt you're competent to recognize "anti-American" when it arises.
And there was I thinking you were a foxnewserQuote:
Originally Posted by Skiz
I'm sure the rock you live under is very comfortable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skiz
This is the problem, in a nutshell.Quote:
Originally Posted by clocker
Enough of us to count believe Obama is trying to 'left' the ship.
BTW-
Only CBS took note of the Van Jones affair before the house-of-cards came tumbling down, then the Big Three nets and the NYT finally made mention of it; in the meantime, poor little old Foxnews carried the ball, all by itself.
Oh, and then there was the internet, too.
Go, Internets...before Obama pulls the plug.
It finally occurred to me what's really going on.
All of this nonsense from the Right..."socialism", "death panels", "government takeover of heath care", etc. has absolutely nothing to do with policy and everything to do with fear.
You guys are afraid that if Obama is allowed to get anything he wants, the American people will like it and realize how badly they've been fucked by conservative rule.
Don't want your kids to realize that a President isn't necessarily a drooling idiot who can barely string together a coherent sentence?
Claim some bullshit excuse and pull them from school on the day the guy will address them.
Worried that single payer health insurance might actually benefit millions?
Claim it's socialism and the government can't run anything properly.
Naturally, as you say this you make sure that your access to Bethesda Naval Hospital is unfettered...
Basically, the right is just afraid they'll be exposed as the frauds they are.