"Anti-Traders, Community Lovers"

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Originally Posted by Presto

People are desperate and have no idea how to join one of your fancy sites. They think you wanna hear something about 'anti-trading' or 'community love', but they don't know that they're wrong. This is the place where you should jump in and tell everyone what is it they should do or shouldn't do. Should they simply forget getting into one of these leet sites or will the good ole 'know the right person' suggestion do the trick?

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This is probably the most insightful post so far.

Like I said, "high level sites" or shall we say, "sites that have been pretty much closed for a hell of a long time", shouldn't have to cater to the wishes of these newbs on the torrent scene who want to join.

There is no official policy, no "best way" to get in, no nothing. Just don't bother. Go take part in newer up and coming communities that you can be part of from the start and contribute something to, that's my advice.

If you're going to join a tracker and try to join in a community of people who have been chatting amongst themselves already for three years, you're always going to be an outsider to some extent. Community isn't something you can just "have", community is made. You don't get invited to a tracker with a strong community and say "hey, now i'm part of a strong community, weee"... Takes time. Shouldn't happen deliberately or with intent either. If you become part of a community on a tracker, it shouldn't be because you wanted to and set out to in the first place. Should just happen over time.

Of course we still make the newbies feel welcome, but it ain't the same.

Plus these days the noobs all seem to know each other and natter amongst themselves as they're on every other bloody site which gets annoying. Still love 'em and all that, but, y'know :D

Tricky one :huh:

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Originally Posted by kallieb

hmm...

I have no plans on making some definitive statement on this issue, just a sliver of an opinion.

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And a mighty fine one it is too.

Doesn't seem that long since you were making your first steps into the foray of trackers & forums :flowers: :smilie4:

See this is what really gets on my goat lol

When we were lvl 4 poeple were crying out to get in, and members we had were "wow my e-penis just grew another inch", we have to respect these now.

When we opened up and went down, no one cared for us, and the members that were like that ^^, didnt care for us anymore as their e-penis just went limp overnight, and no amount of Viagra could erect it again.

Over the years it just seems to me that the trackers on the lower levels you can cheat, scam, trade, not use and they wont care, they will always just get someone else in. And the trackers that are "high" up you have to respect their rules.

Now i am not saying you should not respect the higher up rules, but surely the same respect should be granted to all trackers, does not matter what lvl they are, or how hard it is to get in them.

Honestly, if every tracker closed it doors tomorrow, had no invites, never got anyone in for a while, they would all be lvl 10, but they would all be dead.

Believe it or not, there is not that many people that use private trackers, loads use public but most dont like the idea of seeding back, and I have even heard that we are elitist (yeah right).

I do not mind getting noobs in, we all had to start somewhere on this Journey so why not with us, and it gives us something to do, Ok answering the same questions over and over again gets a bit boring, but at least it makes me feel good in helping people that havnt got a clue how it all works.

Problem is the noobs are probably 2% that join up when we are open, the other 98% are the cheats, and the dupe accounts to sell them later people.

So we close again and get seen as elitist because we are closed.

we just cant win.

and lets face it as well, we get members that have been their for ages, they get invited to another tracker (say a 0 day one) and they never come back, I honestly dont know how people can have and use 5 trackers, never mind 30+ of the things, you spread yourself out to much and cant possibly use them all, on a daily basis.

as for community, I think most tracker owners would love a bustling community as well as a bustling tracker, but if your specialized like us, talking about games and consoles all day every day does get bloody boring, even for me, i dont think i have ventured into the System forums for a few months lol

On the other hand though we do not give gigs away like confetti to try to lure members into the forums, if they want to come let them come, if not, fine, they shouldnt be rewarded for taking part. And i would also say 98% of our posts actually mean something, we do not get a lot of spam even in the general forums, where spam is sort of tollerated. (but you do not get post count for it).

honestly, if you have 10+ trackers, how the hell can you take part in them all, as well as here and other sites like this you may be on, get a bloody life.

I agree with most of your post their stoi except the part with people having more than X amount of trackers. People have use different trackers to fit their needs. They also may just want to have access to as much content of that type as possible without restriction.
Also, if one can support say their old school torrentbytes acount and their new SCT account why should they have to scrap their torrentbytes account for the sakes of not looking like a collector. They put time, effort, possibly even money into being a member at a tracker, so why should they have to throw that account away just because they got a "better" tracker. Each tracker has it's perks and benefits over other trackers and sometimes people like to have that at their disposal.

Of course, like polygamist law, you shouldn't be at several trackers if you can't handle it though. If you can then I see no harm in belonging to X amount of trackers.

well if they can great as long as they do not seed 500 torrents over the 30 trackers, as that helps no one but themselves, but then thats another argument for another day.

what i meant to say in a roundabout way is lol

they get into another tracker, may not be as good as the tracker they were in previously, and just because its a new tracker to them, or higher up the list of that thread, they just forget all about that tracker, or use it sparingly at best.

People forget their routes, and you should be using your invites on those trackers that are open all the time, to get people in that you know will be good members, and not trading them away on places like FST etc.

I bet 90% of the members of Demonoid say, have no idea that some of these other tackers exist, and only way for them to get into these other trackers, is come onto here or similar places, and giveaway demonoid codes, so they get their rep up.

but it should be, your a member of their you get invited into another tracker (i will try not to name names just imagine it with me lol), you get invites to your new tracker, you go back to demonoid and get good members of their into your new tracker.

the person that invited you sees your doing a good job, you have invites and you just invited a good member in, so they invite you to another tracker, and it carries on like that.

basically everyone in everyones invite trees should be the same on all trackers, and you should know them, even if it is just from the Bittorrent scene and on a tracker like Demonoid.

its better than not knowing them at all, or inviting a trader or a cheater from here thats for sure.

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Originally Posted by ghurka

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Originally Posted by kallieb

hmm...

I have no plans on making some definitive statement on this issue, just a sliver of an opinion.

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I'm glad you made it short but sweet Kallie :lol:

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Oh shush you :). Just kick me off my soap box every now and then, I won't mind;)

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Originally Posted by stoi

well if they can great as long as they do not seed 500 torrents over the 30 trackers, as that helps no one but themselves, but then thats another argument for another day.

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What's wrong with seeding 500 torrents? Sure if they would all have leechers at the same time, speeds would be very low. But usually, if you keep alot of torrents seeding (i usually run about 200, then my hdds are full), only a few of them have active leechers at the same time. It also depends on your internet connection of obviously.

offer an anti-trader 10,000 dollars/pounds/pumpkins for a bitsoup invite and see what happens

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Originally Posted by stoi

See this is what really gets on my goat

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*sigh*

i really wish i could get on your goat someday

its lazy to the extreme. and if you want bittorrent to go like emule then fine, seed 500, but i wouldnt want to be a leech on a 25gig PS3 game/HD Movie if your the only seed thats for sure.

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Originally Posted by stoi

its lazy to the extreme. and if you want bittorrent to go like emule then fine, seed 500, but i wouldnt want to be a leech on a 25gig PS3 game/HD Movie if your the only seed thats for sure.

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you're loss then ;)