Re: donate and you shall receive
speaking of "donations" ,check out the new paypal system setup on filezone.
NEW! Now you can buy upload using PayPal!
Step 1. Click the PayPal logo and follow the instructions.
Step 2. After the payment was confirmed, send a PM to ***** with the transaction details.
Step 3. Wait for the profile to be actualized with the new upload quantity.
Thank You!
20€- 200GB Upload + VIP 2 luni/months
30€- 300GB Upload + VIP 3 luni/months
40€- 400GB Upload + VIP 4 luni/months
50€- 500GB Upload + VIP 5 luni/months
etc..
:D aren't they in a giving mood now. That tracker solely exists to get money to sysops. There were some some arguments from some users in the past that they limit upload speeds from the server so that more people "have " to donate cuz they can't keep a ratio. Last days a few more threads like that apeared so maybe they do limit it , who knows. They even modified the donate.php link to "buyupload.php" :D Let's go "donate" 100$ and get 1 TB upload
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dragos
speaking of "donations" ,check out the new paypal system setup on filezone.
NEW! Now you can buy upload using PayPal!
Step 1. Click the PayPal logo and follow the instructions.
Step 2. After the payment was confirmed, send a PM to ***** with the transaction details.
Step 3. Wait for the profile to be actualized with the new upload quantity.
Thank You!
20€- 200GB Upload + VIP 2 luni/months
30€- 300GB Upload + VIP 3 luni/months
40€- 400GB Upload + VIP 4 luni/months
50€- 500GB Upload + VIP 5 luni/months
etc..
:D aren't they in a giving mood now. That tracker solely exists to get money to sysops. There were some some arguments from some users in the past that they limit upload speeds from the server so that more people "have " to donate cuz they can't keep a ratio. Last days a few more threads like that apeared so maybe they do limit it , who knows. They even modified the donate.php link to "buyupload.php" :D Let's go "donate" 100$ and get 1 TB upload
again, this is honest. they're selling upload. wether it is right or wrong, or how users will react is another thing.
but at least i know what's going on and they don't wrongly call it donations.
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Roark
It is a donation. You're not paying for gigs/invites any more than people who attend political fundraising events are paying $500 for a plate of food.
wrong. under legal and tax aspects they actually buy this plate of food.
i was refering to value in my first post. a t-shirt that you get for donating for the red cross doesn't have a significant value. you might want to compare it to getting a star on a tracker.
an invite to a top level tracker sure does have a value. otherwise there wouldn't be thousands of post in the invite section
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seppypom
YO, WHat Up "B"
Hey sexy lady :wub:
Re: donate and you shall receive
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Polarbear
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Originally Posted by
Roark
It is a donation. You're not paying for gigs/invites any more than people who attend political fundraising events are paying $500 for a plate of food.
wrong. under legal and tax aspects they actually buy this plate of food.
My whole point was that there are more meanings of donation than just it's legal and tax definitions. Those people are not paying $500 for food, they're paying to contribute to their favorite candidate. Likewise with tracker donations. "Donation" is the most accurate description of what's going on.
Nothing we do is legal, why bring up legality now? :happy:
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Roark
Nothing we do is legal, why bring up legality now? :happy:
yeah, you are right. talking about legal aspects isn't advisable in the bt world :whistling
whatever - i think we should finish the discussion here. let's keep an eye on the development in the future.
p2l - donations - buy upload
we'll see and everyone has the free will to decide
:yup:
Re: donate and you shall receive
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Originally Posted by
Roark
My whole point was that there are more meanings of donation than just it's legal and tax definitions. Those people are not paying $500 for food, they're paying to contribute to their favorite candidate. Likewise with tracker donations. "Donation" is the most accurate description of what's going on.
Nothing we do is legal, why bring up legality now? :happy:
Accurate would be to allow both purchasing and donating.
Purchase GB link
Send a donatin link
Re-read my other post ;) As stated already, when you are obtaining an item in return, it's still a purchase.
I'll put it into more detail for you. When you exchange money for goods, you just made a transaction aka purchase. On p2l sites you have the option to either donate, or to donate and get extra. That means, you have the option to either donate, or purchase. Both are there, just one is under a false name based on the activity being done.
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Brandon
I'll put it into more detail for you. When you exchange money for goods, you just made a transaction aka purchase. On p2l sites you have the option to either donate, or to donate and get extra. That means, you have the option to either donate, or purchase. Both are there, just one is under a false name based on the activity being done.
thank you brandon. i'm happy that someone with experience like you described exactly my point. :D
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Polarbear
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Originally Posted by
Brandon
I'll put it into more detail for you. When you exchange money for goods, you just made a transaction aka purchase. On p2l sites you have the option to either donate, or to donate and get extra. That means, you have the option to either donate, or purchase. Both are there, just one is under a false name based on the activity being done.
thank you brandon. i'm happy that someone with experience like you described
exactly my point. :D
I knew this education thing would be good for something :P
You're quote is messed up btw :)
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Of course it's a sale. I suspect many sites continue to call it a donation because they don't want to acknowledge how commercialised the whole thing has become.
Re: donate and you shall receive
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Originally Posted by
Brandon
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Originally Posted by
Roark
My whole point was that there are more meanings of donation than just it's legal and tax definitions. Those people are not paying $500 for food, they're paying to contribute to their favorite candidate. Likewise with tracker donations. "Donation" is the most accurate description of what's going on.
Nothing we do is legal, why bring up legality now? :happy:
Accurate would be to allow both purchasing and donating.
Purchase GB link
Send a donatin link
Re-read my other post ;) As stated already, when you are obtaining an item in return, it's still a purchase.
I'll put it into more detail for you. When you exchange money for goods, you just made a transaction aka purchase. On p2l sites you have the option to either donate, or to donate and get extra. That means, you have the option to either donate, or purchase. Both are there, just one is under a false name based on the activity being done.
This is a false dichotomy. You can donate to the United Way and not get a tshirt, or donate to the United Way and get a tshirt. No fair minded person would call the latter a purchase. The IRS certainly doesn't; the money you donate is considered a donation as long as the United Way meets its 501c obligations. Similarly, people who donate to your tracker are not buying an arrow next to their name. Again, this is a subjective, not an objective matter, as trackers are obviously not legal entities. But were a tracker a non-profit, all donations would be considered such regardless of the reward given.
Let's take a step back and be realistic for a second - 10 euros on sct for example gives you 10 gigs (and this is the minimum you must donate to get any reward). Is anyone really donating because they think this is a great deal on pirated material? And if they are, I would liken their stupidity to one who gives $100 to the United Way to purchase their tshirt.
Re: donate and you shall receive
we got rid of the pay for gigis system a few months ago, and it used to be £25 for VIP, but a £1 donation did get you 1 gig on your upload.
VIP is now £10 for a month and this is what they get
http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/p-wtf...67/postcount12
but just to add to that post, we have unlimted seeding slots, but if your KL, User, PU you can only seed 5 torrents and get SP on 2 with the lowest ratios. If your VIP, SPU, UL, Staff you can seed 10, but still get SP on only 2 with the lowest ratios.
If you seed anymore than your alloted seeding amount, you dont get any SP at all, you have to upload the hard way.
Now, when we got rid of the money for gigs system, there was an outcry, but donations have actually went up since we made the change, now wether thats because VIP has come down to £10 from £25, or the bonus to the VIP changed from gigs, to SP bonus, or a mixture of the 2 im not to sure.
IMO if you have a strict hit and run policy like we do, then whats the point of offering Gigs for Money, as everyone still has to seed back to 0.8 anyway to not get a hit and run and preferably a 1 ratio.
The only real bonus would to get yourself closer to a rank up, PU is 1.5 and SPU is 2.05 on our tracker.
We still may offer the gigs for money on some occasions, xmass etc, but i dont think it will be coming back full time anymore.
Re: donate and you shall receive
How else is a tracker going to entice it's member to help pay the bills...it's not as if they asked outright people would be lining up to donate. It's marketing , that's all...you can't knock them for coming up w/ creative ways to get you to "donate" towards the bills...that's all you're really doing. Some of you may say that extra goes into the pockets of the people behind the scenes....so what, they are the ones who spent countless (unpaid) hours working on these sites to make them great so we can all come onto FST and brag and drive ourselves crazy trying to get invites to these sites.... and to say that you "donate" by seeding and keeping a high ratio is great..that makes you a great member of that community but to have a negative opinion on how the site that "you love" pays the bills is like biting the hand that feeds you. That's just my 2 cents....
My comments are not directed towards anyone specific and are not meant to offend anyone...just my opinion :)
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