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Originally Posted by MiniMalistic
this has nothing to do with ratio :01:Quote:
Originally Posted by anto
ok scrape the ratio part;)
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Originally Posted by MiniMalisticthis has nothing to do with ratio :01:Quote:
Originally Posted by anto
ok scrape the ratio part;)
This debate can go for ever but i guess instead of bitching about trading and public giveaways.I guess we should do something about it.
now.
i'll give you an example here
let's say Tudor is a good user and don't trade and will contribute to any tracker if he will become a member in it.
Now Tudor wanted to get in BCG but Tudor has no friends that can give him invites and Tudor is a good use and doesn't trade.
Tudor thought and though then he found out he couldn't get in.Why?
Cause only Elite members there have invites and he doesn't know any so he came here and FST.He made a search and found Stoj's giveaway thread.
Now he has the chance.now we give him hope
but let's say there is no such giveaway this means he will never get in.
so is giving Tudor a chance or a hope is a bad thing.should we deprive people from such chance?
Now stoj did the right thing when he made this giveaways since then people who trading BCG are less than there were in the past.
why?cause he closed the way to traders and open another way for people who want to get in.
They can request and he can choose.If all trackers do the same thing.There will be no need for public giveaways by members.
but most of them don't.
only FTN,FSC,BCG,NB,ITS and at last SCT That make such a thing but the rest don't and they don't even care so the normal user or any member won't care either.Why should he?.
Slogans and principles are not for showing off.They are for practice.
So let's clean them and do some action.
the problem is, members think, why should i be resposible for the invitee, and then they are up in arms when a tracker bans them for inviting 5 cheaters or traders in a row.
I wonder how many members here can look back on all their trackers, at all their invite trees, and remember who each and everyone is, and where you got them from.
I bet not many, and i bet a lot of the inviters, invite and then never speak to the invitee again.
Well thats not community, its like getting invited to a party by someone, you get there and they ignore you all night, and your sitting there on your tod looking around sheepishly.
Inviters should take a lot more notice of their invitees imo, guide them into the community, introduce them to the community even, make the first move, this will give the invitee the confidence to get involved, and not think he has just been left out to dry.
but the above will never happen now, more is the pitty. Invites are like currency, or an e-penis extension, its only an invite for christ sake and its only a tracker, wether its lvl 1 or lvl 10 its still just a poxy tracker for bittorrent.
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Originally Posted by stoi
i agree plus i keep track of anyone i invite to trackers. not bosting :dry:
I used to make public giveaways here at FST, but once i tasted the bitterness of losing accounts for making a mistake and inviting a bad user (dupe accounts on FST to hide your trading activities sucks :(). Since then i handpick users i feel that i can trust and that i think will be good users on a site, and handle it in PM. That method is a lot safer, and you don't risk being perceived as a publicity whore. :)
Hi
Scrap the Levels and rep points . One more thing that should be
scraped is the users showing torrent userbars in thier signature.
If u are member Of a X, Y andZ site so what.
Terminating the levels will minimize the number of people running
after trackers for levels.
Secondly by scrapping Rep Points people will not do a giveaway only for
reps. People will do a giveaway only if it is necessary.
Third point please ask all the users to remove the userbars.
One Last Point . This is the one of the best threads I have read on FST .
I donīt think both things are the same, but I do think both things are bad.
Trading is about greed.
Giveaways it has to do more with being irresponsible.
With a rep point system,giveaways can also be looked at from the same bad angle as one looks at trading IMO.:dabs:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nemrod
so the trackers that open signups like torrentbytes which allow total strangers to signup in their site are real dumb noobs ?
oooh the security . but they are still running without any anti piracy agency fucking it up
ffs its just a torrent site . so its better to invite a dumbfuck noob you know in the real life than someone you trust online who you are sure of having bittorrent knowledge ?
:glag:
well from our POV.
if i was bothered about security, we wouldnt have 45,000 members or have had 320,000 members through our doors since Dec 2006.
the problem is we have had 320,000 members through our doors since Dec 2006 and we only have 45,000 members.
this means the 275,000 members, either cheated, traded, scammed, leeched, didnt like it, didnt know how we worked, just left etc etc.
and why should we keep opening, if 99% of the members we get in just dont care, all they want to do is get in and cheat or just not be a good member, and if they do get banned, they think, oh well i will just resign up and do it again.
and we dont have invites because they still need recoding, but we have that many changes and other things on the drawing board, its hard to find the time to do anything atm.
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Originally Posted by soulreaperWith a rep point system,giveaways can also be looked at from the same bad angle as one looks at trading IMO.:dabs:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nemrod
That is debatable. :lol:
You canīt put the same label to everybody.
RP are like a double edge knife. A lot of Rep Points are nothing good at staffs eyes, having hundreds of RP itīs the best way for respected members and staff of any given site donīt take you seriously. That is what I think but I am not sure if itīs true.
Iīm nobody in this world but if tomorrow Iīd have invites to those so good and desired sites I think that many RP that would decrease the chance.
In the other hand, if you donīt care about that or you goal it is not to be recruited for very exclusive sites in a fair way and you only want to get what you want with other users, well, in that case it seems to work.
Its the exact same thing, getting someone into a tracker that you dont know, you can screen applicants all you want when you give stuff away, sad part is, people can act any way or fake anything they want.
With all the uproar against trading here, I find those that are against it and do giveaways to be highly hypocritical and just basically people who are self serving and dont think about the consequences of what they do.
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Originally Posted by stoi
i understand the part in italic but there are alot of people looking to join ur site, maybe 60% of them might be there just to cheat but the other 40% wouldn't be.
All I can say is earn your trust and respect from other members. I know it can be challenging at times to want to help out other people to make a good impression with good trusted members, but your intentions are sometimes misconstrued due to the fact that public giveaway's are in fact considered trading.
Also sometimes your making the community at said tracker worse by inviting a random person that you hardly know. What I can say is that most "Real Life" friends I know and most other people know nothing about Bittorrent or how it works.
The best you can do is get to know people online that knows how it works and in due time decide whether or not you can trust them. Asking for profile links to a few sites is a great way to measure how well said member is and is really doing as far as sharing and how he or her is in their respective communitites.
People must try to realize that the invite that you have in your greedy little hands in some ways does not really belong to you at all.
In a very real way it still belongs to the site in which you got it.
It came with a purpose and a very specific set of conditions attached and you should do your best to honour them.If you are reckless with it you may not suffer but they will.
Maybe you don't care but you should.
Many members here find it just too easy to gamble with other people's money.
^^Good point. Also to all new members get to know the bittorrent world and all the rules involved. Especially on the particular tracker your apart of. It took me a few months after Oink.Me.UK shut down. For me to know whats considered right and wrong. I learned the majority of those things from FST.
My thoughts:
This community ( private community) survives on invite trading it may have a few bad apples but it provided some people opportunity they may not have because where I live its rare to find other torrenters mostly faggotry using limewire and kaaza and invite trading provides me an opportunity to extend my reach on the web
I think that we need to trust in people even to get in to an upper level tracker
^^:yup:
this is taken from FTNs faq.. a lvl 9 private tracker :Quote:
Originally Posted by stoiHigher level doesnt mean its a better tracker than a lower level one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanka113
this is what pisses me off, ah well that tracker has 50,000 members, doesnt matter if they get any more scum in, i can invite who i like and even those i dont like, But.. this tracker only has 1,000 members i better be really picky and choosy who i invite to this tracker.
Higher level just means they want more security, not that they dont want noobs in, they probably would welcome the odd noob now and again tbh.
the lvls are shit and give the wrong impression completely about what tracker staff of those trackers want. the lvl 9 trackers are not trying to be elitist, and only ever get member`s that have been in the torrenting scene for years in (christ someone thats been torrenting for a day, can know just as much if not more than someone thats been torrenting for 5 years, its not rocket science). they just want security (wehter thats right or wrong is up to them).
Other trackers want to make a huge community, loads of seeds/peers and snatches on the torrents (as thats what filesharing is all about, to share) but also have good members in that lot, they have got the 300,000 noobs in in a year and taught them how to do it, or chucked them out if they didnt listen, but they want just as good members as those that are lvl 9.
"This site has been put together from a variety of sources by the talented coders that we are fortunate to have here. Our goal is to become a top, elite, torrent site where quality and speed are never compromised. We will be the best."
obviously there goal is to be the best at what they do, an elite private tracker..(nothing is wrong with that though,, noobs like myself appreciate what they have accomplished).
like you said torrenting is not rocket science, any avg user can actually learn how to be a good memeber in a very short period of time(if they want to become good memebers!)..that means it doesn't matter if many noobs register in your site..what really matters is to get the right people.
this is what pisses me off here in fst.. a dumb fuck user (whether an owner of a torrent tracker or a n00b) disrespects another user for no good reason..instead of trying to solve the problem. when i see a stubborn dumb fuck who keeps disrespecting a member in a thread..and doesn't want to stop.. i will and of course many others will diss u or a site for being a bad user here in fst who keeps bitching and complaining.
All Invites Are Belong To Me
well some sites do think they are gods gift and better than the rest, but its only torrenting for christ sake, if they went down tomorrow another 50 would spring up in their place, or if a new protocol came out we would all die overnight probably.
we are a good games tracker, but we will never be elite, there is just no room for elitism in the P2P scene imo, and people grow up or go onto other things, or just get bored of filesharing for any number of reasons, so that means you will always have to have some trackers that take the noobs, who then in turn become good members for these "elite" trackers.
but why should we keep doing that for them. let them do it themselves for a change.
and this is where the lvls are fecked up as well, because they are lvl 9 they think they are elite, we are lvl 4 but have a [10] so the best of the best at what we do, we cant go any higher in that respect, but we are no where near elite, or any better/worse than any other tracker out there.
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Originally Posted by stoi
j-dye babe gimme a kiss :)
When people refer to a tracker being a level 1 tracker , I thinbk that most people are basing it off its difficulty in getting into that tracker. not so much on it's content, community etc. If levels where assigned by an average of all the category grades, the level institution would be turned upside down.Quote:
Originally Posted by stoi
you and i know that, 60% of others dont, or they do but they still "have to have them all", and the higher the lvl the more they are willing to sacrifice, or the more BT rep points they think they need.
I think we got to blame games like pokemon for the whole rarity and gotta to catch them all mentality.
Which brings me to a potential new sig:
"Invites are like pokemon, I gotta catch them all!"
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Originally Posted by stoi
ok so if were to invite someone to ur site what would u be looking for bt rep point,
from here, tbh i would prefer not to, but when i was giving com rep i was asked to do the odd giveaway on here, so thats what im doing.
tbh i never look at BT rep, either low/high/invisible.
i dont even care about speed tests/ratio proofs as both can be faked quite easily.
In my giveaway thread, i tend to come up with a good question, and the ones that answer how i think they should answer, will get a PM.
but it wont be everyone, maybe 5-10 members from every giveaway, idf i just got everyone in, then i couldnt do any more giveaways in the future lol.
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Originally Posted by stoi
Well this has been a long thread, and I read it all.
I see many members have posted many times here, some like MiniMalistic posting mostly one-sentence (of something like 4 words) posts providing a lot of further food for thought.
But spam aside, and there's been it's fair shair of it here already, I frankly don't put too much (in fact none at all) importance on that Rep Point thing.
When I arrived here it didn't exist, and neither did this WTAW and WTO. There was no "level" or anything of that family. So it never really got to me. I'll be honest the first time I saw those threads I was reading and learning some "new" things about those trackers.
You see, you can have a perfectly successful bt life with a very few number of trackers, as long as they're good ones. There's no need to have a collection of 20 or more trackers, because that will really tie you to your desk (and chair).
So while a whole new generation of users signed into FST and started a whole new "atmosphere" of BT Rep and GA's and yo look at my trackers vibes I didn't really care.
As I've said in one of the request threads I made, BT Rep is a very artificial/superficial indicator of anything. In my view of anything but trustworthiness.
I know there's people here who make GA's with the right idea, and don't really give two hoots about the BT Rep (notice even though it's an FST rule people still make it a prerequisite in their invite away threads to give them rep, in the slimy "BT Rep won't hurt" way), but there's also a whole bunch who hand out their invites/accounts only to people with higher BT Rep or more posts (post history is obviously not checked with any measure of actual seriousness, because there's too many posts, and a quick check would reveal the work of a spam-bot) and finally better speedtests/ratio proofs. That's just superficial. He may have gotten the "dedibox screenie" upload proof from someone else, and there's no real way for you to check that, and the ratio proofs can easily be fiddled with (many cases now where fakers were caught showing ratio proofs of FTN, FTS (F******Scene), and UK-T that was a farce).
And I've already achieved some spots here and there in my time here @ FST, with absolutely no GA thread to date. I have helped he or she, via PM, where I saw a potentially good person, but I know exactly who to.
So there's your proof that there's no need for all these sugarcoatings. It's like rap nowadays, which has become just basically (at least the videos @ MTV) people showing off the rims on their expensive cars/jeeps, the huge size of their crib(s), the amount of cheap whores they sponsor, and the hydroponics they grow.
It's all a show. Not genuine, thus, naturally, a point for suspicion.
I pretty much reckon this is all that needs to be said.Quote:
Originally Posted by benchez
If I was to add anything, speaking from my own perspective, I'd have to say that public giveaways in forums dedicated to the trading and giving away of invites has to be among the least secure situations there is from the tracker's perspective.
You are bound to get lots and lots of people flocking to a place like this looking to score some invites, and in a place where you can count on people rewarding you with invites for being helpful, or showing some ratios off some other trackers or whatever, you are bound to get more than a few people willing to kiss some serious arse to get into where they want. I'm not sure how anyone can think it's possible to trust anyone they get to know in a place like it.
I reckon a public giveaway is bad enough, but on a board where people know there are invites you can count on getting lots of people pretending to be something they aren't for the express purpose of getting invites.
And when people are doing a giveaway to give something back to this community, that's probably not usually what the people running the tracker had in mind, especially if they frown on this type of place to begin with.
And we apparently get people collecting invites for its own sake as well. When the point of it all shifts from filesharing to that, there's something odd going on. Pretty sure that kind of thing doesn't help the tracker much, either.
I'm really not liking the fact that representatives from trackers are told they should do a giveaway now and then, (again) either. Making them take people in, in order to keep up goodwill with the staff here isn't cool.
I would say let's enforce teh rulez and BAN damn fcukers! 2 accounts not allowed on FST :frusty:Quote:
Originally Posted by benchez
thats why i have no rep-and hate trading! :)
Public GAs = Irresponsibility
At first I thought helping people and doing giveaways to who I felt deserved to be invited was the way to go. But after further examination, being banned at certain trackers, and getting go sound advice from members and staff alike. Public giveaway's is probably not the best way to go. Members will start to realize this the more they get exposed to the bt world. Hopefully you'll learn this when you first start out.
Public Giveaways is perceived to be trading to most people which is bad for the community, scene, or whatever else you call people who congergate and enjoy perks like music, movies, ebooks, games, etc.. at trackers or in forums like this one.
Best thing to do is genuinely help people out and give back through private means cause you want to, feel the person your helping out can contribute, may be a great fit, adds value to the community, etc. Also making real good friends will help you immensely.
Best thing to do when starting off is analyze everything, do your research, read the rules, get a feel for the communities you join, and the people who interact within them. Also just be honest, real, and ask for answers to questions that need clarity.
Trading accounts for sure will never be the way to go though. Especially if you didn't earn it. (Someone elses trust was involved with the original owner of that account). We all have faults. Nobody is perfect. Don't act like cause your staff, an elite member, or cause you have it better then others that everyone else is wrong or hazardous cause they may lack the necessary knowledge, know how, or whatever else.
When I first started my original attentions was to get invited to the rabbit due to members of oink saying it was a great tracker. I knew nothing about levels, rules, having to post a certain amount, bt rep, points or whatever else that is gauged to see if you were or are a good member. I just knew what I wanted and I eventually took a deep liking to fst in my path to the rabbit. I also got to discover other excellent communities and trackers. Thanks to alot of good members within fst.
I just knew within that taking and trading accounts is wrong (for myself and my own morals, everyone is different, some could care less )As time went by I learned alot of valuable lessons, perceptions, and how to be a better community member who can be trusted. Trust is the most valuable quality you can have. If your not trusted you won't get anywhere unless you trade in(get lucky and hopefully not scammed).
Also consider yourself blessed and lucky if you are trusted (And really are a trustful person, only YOU will ultimately know if you are). My advice to any new members. Always respect and follow the rules of every single tracker, forum or community you are involved in.
It really doesn't matter if you don't agree with any or some of the rules when it comes to specific forums, trackers, non related bt forums and communities. If your not the owner or staff you have no say until the opinion polls come out.
You'll still have no say but you may be able to influence decisions and sway things which could better the community and make it better for all members involved Anyways thats my story and a very long one. Feel free to flame, agree, disagree, or whatever else.
Wow awesome thread... I have a few words to say though..
It's like every newbs dream to get into private trackers. Hell I myself used to drool by looking at those sites and dream myself of getting in there sooner or later. But the problem is the newbs have no friends who can invite them to those private trackers.. It doesn't matter if he maintains a good ratio and remains active in the community etc. He can't get in coz he doesn't know anyone there. Is this fair? or unfair? Also getting into elite trackers is also luck sometimes. I mean I got into pretty good sites. The ppl who invited me don't even remotely know me. I mean it's like "Hi you want a invite. Gimme a ratio proof". I send one and bam!! there comes the invite.. :D. Ultimately it's persistence that pays. Keep trying to get into a X site and you will get in it eventually...
Btw stoi seems to make excellent comments. I think he is too experienced.. Maybe he is 40 years old... :P
I did the signup some days ago only, i don't know really how people are here but semms that some guys, from what i read, are afraid to giveaway invites.
Or because the mostly anti-traders here are traders or because they are cheaters or because they have more than one acc here... There's a lot of things that make someone think about giveaway or not.
You want an advice? Don't do it. Or if you want to be helpfull give those invites for a friend. Don't do it just because of the reputation points, they mean nothing, believe me. At this moment trackers are punishing those who giveaway invites so if you don't want to loose your acc anywhere just don't do it.