Why New Trackers Are Worthless And More Importantly Dangerous

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Originally Posted by Disme

I honestly can't see, when having a normal 'real' life you have time to be active on more than let's say 5 trackers ... and still people want to join more 'new' l33t

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You made some really good points in your posts(as did 1080p), but this point here is the one that most need to get through their head. 4 or 5 trackers max is really all you need to get everything that you'll ever want content wise.

I first of all hope that mods allow me to say it :D i mean i gotta say it, Seconly, I think some of you luv to judge people without even a trial. He said, i had 50 hacked accounts bla bla, This doesnt mean he hacked it himself, But i seriously doubt why someone would give him such a data...He might not be the ideal type like me but at least he deserves to be listened, and you guyz stop coming at a guy together, I mean defending yourself against most of you kinda makes it impossible. He obviously cannot take all of you, So As RaichelFaith said, Lets make this a discussion not a debate pls. BTW THIS IS NOT THE DAMN PLACE! Anywy LAstly, I guess, this place as lively as it can ever be without my participation :D

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Originally Posted by Funkin'

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Originally Posted by Disme

I honestly can't see, when having a normal 'real' life you have time to be active on more than let's say 5 trackers ... and still people want to join more 'new' l33t

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You made some really good points in your posts(as did 1080p), but this point here is the one that most need to get through their head. 4 or 5 trackers max is really all you need to get everything that you'll ever want content wise.

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ya...thats why recently i decided to leave all the sites i didn't visit on a daily basis...basically how i decided which trackers to keep

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Originally Posted by x0r

I must agree with some of the other posters here when i say that 1080p does not seem to know anything about security, coding or even trackers. His post is not well written and to me resembles a spoiled kid stomping his feet.

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your absolutley right, i am spoiled

Any constructive criticism would be nice, your post is the equivalence of "Can I have it" in Giveaway in the Invite section. Anyway, lmk what you deem wrong in my post and ill give it a shot on explaining myself

Well, aside from assuming some things under the blanket statement of the threads title, and not having the basic info about all the trackers that fall under that blanket, not much.

It is awfully bold to say that all new trackers are unsafe, a waste of time, and just all around bad. It is an undeniable fact that ALL trackers, good or bad, were new at some point, so I can't really agree with you 100% I will grant that you make good points in your original post as far as being aware of what you are signing up for when you do so, and would advise anyone to do a little research before the automatic "plzkthxbai" requests for an invite to (insert random tracker name here), but that's just being smart.

Now, about security, I would hazard a mildly educated guess that ANY website that is connected to the internet is hackable to some degree, and after that, it's a matter, at each site, of what measures are in place to slow that process down, or stop the average script kiddie in their tracks.

lol, nice to call a helpful member a retard and dumb..
new trackers dont need to be full of security holes btw.. just join trackers where you have reputable coders and nothing bad should happen ;)

ALL trackers were at one time NEW. Making a very general and sweeping statement like you did make your either wise good post almost worthless.


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new trackers dont need to be full of security holes btw.. just join trackers where you have reputable coders and nothing bad should happen http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/../.....ilies/wink.gif

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This is a more accurate statement.

yea i dont agree with everything he said...i only agree with the part where people keep making too many damn trackers!

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Originally Posted by TP635

ALL trackers were at one time NEW. Making a very general and sweeping statement like you did make your either wise good post almost worthless.


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new trackers dont need to be full of security holes btw.. just join trackers where you have reputable coders and nothing bad should happen http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/../.....ilies/wink.gif

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This is a more accurate statement.

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When was the last time you joined a tracker that had no specualtion or rumors about it. Just joined to join. And if you did, your an idiot.All the showcase trackers today all started around the same time, and they all survived. Now you tell me, would you join a tracker like TehConnection that is headed by some of the same guys who head ScT, or join PTN, who for the most part are new to the staffing scene. Just purely off rep, you know what you are getting with TC because the names are fimiliar. You feel secure and the tracker for the most part is in good hands. With PTN, you have already had downtime for 1 week and a half, the server is hosted with Windows. No legitimate respectful torrenter joins trackers they know nothing about, espicially when the staffers are new names. Fimiliarity is the key in joining a tracker, if you know some memebers that you are friends with then you'll join. If you know that the tracker is headed by good people, then you'll join. You won't join a tracker that is headed by a guy named "Trancer" has been a member for 2 weeks, and has 5 posts, and wants comments made about the design. Who joins trackers for designs....seriously

Get the picture?

Fimilarity is the game now, thats why trackers recruit each others memberbases (which is wrong)

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Originally Posted by 1080p

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Originally Posted by TP635

ALL trackers were at one time NEW. Making a very general and sweeping statement like you did make your either wise good post almost worthless.


sokrates:


This is a more accurate statement.

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When was the last time you joined a tracker that had no specualtion or rumors about it. Just joined to join. And if you did, your an idiot.All the showcase trackers today all started around the same time, and they all survived. Now you tell me, would you join a tracker like TehConnection that is headed by some of the same guys who head ScT, or join PTN, who for the most part are new to the staffing scene. Just purely off rep, you know what you are getting with TC because the names are fimiliar. You feel secure and the tracker for the most part is in good hands. With PTN, you have already had downtime for 1 week and a half, the server is hosted with Windows. No legitimate respectful torrenter joins trackers they know nothing about, espicially when the staffers are new names. Fimiliarity is the key in joining a tracker, if you know some memebers that you are friends with then you'll join. If you know that the tracker is headed by good people, then you'll join. You won't join a tracker that is headed by a guy named "Trancer" has been a member for 2 weeks, and has 5 posts, and wants comments made about the design. Who joins trackers for designs....seriously

Get the picture?

Fimilarity is the game now, thats why trackers recruit each others memberbases (which is wrong)

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Why did it take you so long before you said the above.
sokrates said that in just one sentence in a post above me. which make me think you are just covering your back.

I'm at school, i cant be on the boards replying to everyone 24/7
I have a resemblence of a life

Also just wanted to be a clear, no self-respecting torrenter joins a tracker thats new

they join fimiliar trackers

different usernames,passwords and email

what else you got to lose ? :unsure:

I'd also like to mention, at this point i consider myself like playdo. Although I am quite new to the private tracker world, i torrented as far back as suprnova, and use to browse these forums as a guest. Any point made a member is likely to mold mine. Some people call that giving in, i call it being it being new

Awesome post and soooo true. I don't know why people chasing these small shit trackers that claim to be 133t. In my book, a tracker with <3,000 members is shit.

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Originally Posted by 1080p

I'm at school, i cant be on the boards replying to everyone 24/7
I have a resemblence of a life

Also just wanted to be a clear, no self-respecting torrenter joins a tracker thats new

they join fimiliar trackers

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In that case I aint self respecting I join some that are mentioned at place even tho not really know who involved.
Your post has no real logic behind it, there are some many people here that think that only the high level trackers have some thing good to offer.

Well they should try some of the smaller really friendly trackers that are about get to know those communities and then realise that torrenting is not all about having a list of high level trackers :)
I am a member of some of the high level trackers and have been quiet a long time but I probable spend more time on some of the smaller lesser known trackers where I feel the staff and owners spend a lot more time with there members and really are for them rather than trying to find ratio cheats, traders, invite sellers as they are less likely to have those issues :)

Wow someone with some real sense has hit the forum. Reasons why most people want to be apart of tracker is mostly due to being cool (Or them thinking they will be), pure curiousity (Which is the reason why I became a member of a few sites) and purely cause you need to the content a said site has to offer. Especially the specialty torrent sites. The 0days not such much. Also 2 sites i'm apart of personally has a great forum (which barely offer torrents anyways).

I definitely see your reasoning in relation to starting a new tracker and the experience you need and the money it will cost (Which will leave you in the red, a long time before seeing any profit at all, for the sole purposes of keeping the site alive).

Good post! Even though you heard this same sentence 50 times before me now lol.

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Originally Posted by Duckater

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Originally Posted by 1080p

I'm at school, i cant be on the boards replying to everyone 24/7
I have a resemblence of a life

Also just wanted to be a clear, no self-respecting torrenter joins a tracker thats new

they join fimiliar trackers

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In that case I aint self respecting I join some that are mentioned at place even tho not really know who involved.
Your post has no real logic behind it, there are some many people here that think that only the high level trackers have some thing good to offer.

Well they should try some of the smaller really friendly trackers that are about get to know those communities and then realise that torrenting is not all about having a list of high level trackers :)
I am a member of some of the high level trackers and have been quiet a long time but I probable spend more time on some of the smaller lesser known trackers where I feel the staff and owners spend a lot more time with there members and really are for them rather than trying to find ratio cheats, traders, invite sellers as they are less likely to have those issues :)

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My post has to do with trackers that are just coming out, not trackers that have been established and built a reputation

and the only people that think high level trackers have something good to offer are collectors and traders, which in that case aren't respectable in my eyes

There is always noobs, they have to join somewhere also.

Plus the more the better, they can shut them all down at once!

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Originally Posted by 1080p

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Originally Posted by Duckater

In that case I aint self respecting I join some that are mentioned at place even tho not really know who involved.
Your post has no real logic behind it, there are some many people here that think that only the high level trackers have some thing good to offer.

Well they should try some of the smaller really friendly trackers that are about get to know those communities and then realise that torrenting is not all about having a list of high level trackers :)
I am a member of some of the high level trackers and have been quiet a long time but I probable spend more time on some of the smaller lesser known trackers where I feel the staff and owners spend a lot more time with there members and really are for them rather than trying to find ratio cheats, traders, invite sellers as they are less likely to have those issues :)

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My post has to do with trackers that are just coming out, not trackers that have been established and built a reputation

and the only people that think high level trackers have something good to offer are collectors and traders, which in that case aren't respectable in my eyes

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Some of the trackers I am on about are only a few months old, maybe are established very quickly tho :)
As for hwat I think of high level trackers some are great some aint so great but I am neither a collector or trader. In fact to be honest I had invite to some of them before I even realised there was sites like here that rated them for rarity,content etc etc but hey I guess it is who you know that gets you into top sites rather than what invite sites you are on :)

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Originally Posted by 1080p

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Originally Posted by Duckater

In that case I aint self respecting I join some that are mentioned at place even tho not really know who involved.
Your post has no real logic behind it, there are some many people here that think that only the high level trackers have some thing good to offer.

Well they should try some of the smaller really friendly trackers that are about get to know those communities and then realise that torrenting is not all about having a list of high level trackers :)
I am a member of some of the high level trackers and have been quiet a long time but I probable spend more time on some of the smaller lesser known trackers where I feel the staff and owners spend a lot more time with there members and really are for them rather than trying to find ratio cheats, traders, invite sellers as they are less likely to have those issues :)

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My post has to do with trackers that are just coming out, not trackers that have been established and built a reputation

and the only people that think high level trackers have something good to offer are collectors and traders, which in that case aren't respectable in my eyes

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Some of the trackers I am on about are only a few months old, maybe are established very quickly tho :)
As for hwat I think of high level trackers some are great some aint so great but I am neither a collector or trader. In fact to be honest I had invite to some of them before I even realised there was sites like here that rated them for rarity,content etc etc but hey I guess it is who you know that gets you into top sites rather than what invite sites you are on :)

Ducksters the Man

great post 1080p, I hope everyone reads that, because your dead on right!! Good Reading Material...

You can tell how secure a tracker is from their HTML code :unsure: ?

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Originally Posted by KFlint

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Originally Posted by 1080p

Before I join any site a obtain a copy of the code of the tracker itself, its east to do this, right click webpage > View Source. Then i usually ask questions if I can, then see what type of reputation it has.

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while agree with you post in general, this quote is completly wrong and makes me wonder if you know anything about programming...

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I should point out that while no back end code is present, you can actually test whether a site is secure by analysing, then modifying, some elements of HTML.

I use a FireFox utility called hackbar, that allows me to modify the query string of, and reload, an HTML page. This means that I can detect if the code is secure.

An example of an old forum bug (hopefully sealed by now), is the quote bug, where you quote a message, which gives you an edit window. On the bugged version of TBS forums, you could modify the 'postid', and it would reload the specific post, and the 10 preceding posts of that thread. There were no checks to ensure that you had access to that specific thread.

Another way to determine if a site is secure is to play with the POST values, and see if you can access restricted areas.

Finally, cookies allow another entry into an insecure system.

Needless to say, a secure system will bounce you out if it detects that you are trying to access a restricted area. A secure system will also deal with SQL injection (which is achieved via HTML). A really secure system will also bounce malicious javascript.

You'd be surprised at how many systems I have been able to compromise, with just a simple bit of HTML modifying. Thankfully, most owners took on board my suggestions, and hardened their sites.

Well put.

Damn 1080p! lol, I have to say again that I totally agree with you, but I was wondering how can you determine a site is well coded by only seeing at its html code?

You can't see the source code by right clicking a site, can you ???

Edit: I've just read some replies, but I'm still not convinced. You can really tell a site is not safe by looking at the html code (right click > view source) ?

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Originally Posted by TheFoX

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Originally Posted by KFlint

while agree with you post in general, this quote is completly wrong and makes me wonder if you know anything about programming...

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I should point out that while no back end code is present, you can actually test whether a site is secure by analysing, then modifying, some elements of HTML.

I use a FireFox utility called hackbar, that allows me to modify the query string of, and reload, an HTML page. This means that I can detect if the code is secure.

An example of an old forum bug (hopefully sealed by now), is the quote bug, where you quote a message, which gives you an edit window. On the bugged version of TBS forums, you could modify the 'postid', and it would reload the specific post, and the 10 preceding posts of that thread. There were no checks to ensure that you had access to that specific thread.

Another way to determine if a site is secure is to play with the POST values, and see if you can access restricted areas.

Finally, cookies allow another entry into an insecure system.

Needless to say, a secure system will bounce you out if it detects that you are trying to access a restricted area. A secure system will also deal with SQL injection (which is achieved via HTML). A really secure system will also bounce malicious javascript.

You'd be surprised at how many systems I have been able to compromise, with just a simple bit of HTML modifying. Thankfully, most owners took on board my suggestions, and hardened their sites.

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totally agree with you

though i thought i was important to clarify this part

playing with input field, query string, hidden field are the way to break security, reading the html source in itself is worthless

Excellent read

Ok i'd like to know why my name was mentioned?Yes i'v not made many posts here thats because i did'nt know about this site until recently.I'v been torrenting for many years lovethescene is built upon knowledge etc.All we are or at least try to be is a fun place.Go on have a laugh it's fine but some people actually do prefer the community side of things.And thats what lovethescene is built upon.It's not cool to run a torrent site lol it's just good fun.Meeting people from all over the world.

Guys i have been reading this thread carefully and although i agree with some of the statements i have to also disagree with some

Since owning a new tracker , i won't say what site as accused of promoting it , but when i decided it was with caution , i checked out what scripts where secure or had a good rep

I went with xbtit - my coder is on xbtit dev team , my staff are from good sites , one is Loaded , i am sure you guys know of him ?

I wrote down the pros and cons

It took a hell of a lot of researching before hand , even deciding what host to use etc

We have xbtit script and a cent 5 vps running linux using xbt backend , it has been tested to death against sql injections too - someone joked tbdev is better ha ha , not even going there

So why did we start one , easy no one does what we do just 1 topic , most sites are a mixture of things so someone had to and no we are not a music site , there is heaps of them

If it wasnt for the fact no one has what we do i would never have opened one , it is a loss from day 1 , it will take years for it to support itself financially , you will always run at a loss as no site unless thousands of members will cover it's costs in running it

Plus if you don't have a good staff or team behind you , you will fail , you need a damn good php coder, sysop , forum mods etc , without these don't even attempt to try it , you will be always updating your code , making new hacks or modifying them as your site grows , so if you are thinking about it , talk to other owners first , research what is needed , don't just do one everyone else is doing make it unique if you can , and above all do your research first

Apart from that some nice comments for and against , will keep reading replys

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Originally Posted by cuds

Guys i have been reading this thread carefully and although i agree with some of the statements i have to also disagree with some

Since owning a new tracker , i won't say what site as accused of promoting it , but when i decided it was with caution , i checked out what scripts where secure or had a good rep

I went with xbtit - my coder is on xbtit dev team , my staff are from good sites , one is Loaded , i am sure you guys know of him ?

I wrote down the pros and cons

It took a hell of a lot of researching before hand , even deciding what host to use etc

We have xbtit script and a cent 5 vps running linux using xbt backend , it has been tested to death against sql injections too - someone joked tbdev is better ha ha , not even going there

So why did we start one , easy no one does what we do just 1 topic , most sites are a mixture of things so someone had to and no we are not a music site , there is heaps of them

If it wasnt for the fact no one has what we do i would never have opened one , it is a loss from day 1 , it will take years for it to support itself financially , you will always run at a loss as no site unless thousands of members will cover it's costs in running it

Plus if you don't have a good staff or team behind you , you will fail , you need a damn good php coder, sysop , forum mods etc , without these don't even attempt to try it , you will be always updating your code , making new hacks or modifying them as your site grows , so if you are thinking about it , talk to other owners first , research what is needed , don't just do one everyone else is doing make it unique if you can , and above all do your research first

Apart from that some nice comments for and against , will keep reading replys

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Not all sites are a loss and good to see some else with a new tracker that spent a long time researching and testing :)
Not all new sites run at a loss I know sites that have opened and only cost to them has been 1st month of server and some seed box expensises, but I think on a new site the owners get as many benefits from the seed box cost as the site does
Staff are very important part of every site and a minimum staff team that are all experienced is a real must for a site, the other thing it is also very important to know these staff well so you know their strengths. It is def good to find a niche in the market that is not either covered at all or has limited cover but with this 0day stuff can be mixed in to keep the lotal members on the site so they do not need to use many other sites to get this stuff :)

good points duckater - then again easiest answer to this thread is each to his own lmao

what happened to the wise-guy 1080p? :)

lmao danio thats why i waited , not sure maybe someone got fed up with them or banned as was asking for invites in wrong place or a rule break , i don't think he got banned for nothing ?

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lmao danio thats why i waited , not sure maybe someone got fed up with them or banned as was asking for invites in wrong place or a rule break , i don't think he got banned for nothing ?

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i'd bet my money on dupe fst account :)

ive seen alot of trackers drunk driving....its dangerous

everybody put on your seatbelts and watch out!!

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Originally Posted by respawn40

You can tell how secure a tracker is from their HTML code :unsure: ?

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well mate that what he was trying to say ..........
normally source code is not visible to secret tracker or top secured trackers...when u do right click and try to see the source code........this the part of the coder work to make it safe..........
source code is not the only one which makes the site secure.....

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Originally Posted by walkman79

Damn 1080p! lol, I have to say again that I totally agree with you, but I was wondering how can you determine a site is well coded by only seeing at its html code?

You can't see the source code by right clicking a site, can you ???

Edit: I've just read some replies, but I'm still not convinced. You can really tell a site is not safe by looking at the html code (right click > view source) ?

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this is what 1080p is trying to tell for top trackers or secret ones u normally can't see the source code......
it seems u have tried for the tracker where u find nothing or something that was not related to the site......

this where we can judge the coder capabilities of that site.......

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Originally Posted by TheFoX

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Originally Posted by KFlint

while agree with you post in general, this quote is completly wrong and makes me wonder if you know anything about programming...

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I should point out that while no back end code is present, you can actually test whether a site is secure by analysing, then modifying, some elements of HTML.

I use a FireFox utility called hackbar, that allows me to modify the query string of, and reload, an HTML page. This means that I can detect if the code is secure.

An example of an old forum bug (hopefully sealed by now), is the quote bug, where you quote a message, which gives you an edit window. On the bugged version of TBS forums, you could modify the 'postid', and it would reload the specific post, and the 10 preceding posts of that thread. There were no checks to ensure that you had access to that specific thread.

Another way to determine if a site is secure is to play with the POST values, and see if you can access restricted areas.

Finally, cookies allow another entry into an insecure system.

Needless to say, a secure system will bounce you out if it detects that you are trying to access a restricted area. A secure system will also deal with SQL injection (which is achieved via HTML). A really secure system will also bounce malicious javascript.

You'd be surprised at how many systems I have been able to compromise, with just a simple bit of HTML modifying. Thankfully, most owners took on board my suggestions, and hardened their sites.

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coder are not just a uploader or staff of a site i want u to mention this .......they are doing very hard work to keep a site secure form public....

coder are smarter.....u r using tredational method to see the source code.......coder's have by-passed that tools..........

they best way to see the source code is sniff the packets that are incoming to u the port of u r browser.......then re-encode they to ANSCi-II then u have built the sourse code............this can be done only when u have clear idea about the re-encode because all the sniffed packets are in the binary that makes u mad !!!


i read all the post that are here.........


all are talking about security .....these are trackers they are not bank's .....to run pix firewall in the router's or to have a firewall's in the routers...
to get a seured port in the firewall budget wil blowout

what do u think of the too keep ssl that makes the coder's,admin's how much work they are doing ........i respect the coder who are behind the top tracker ......

i am in not in any top trakcer but some how i try know the url of those....and when i try to see the sourse code.....they i came to know why try are top trakcer's.......

i respect the coder of the F**and F*** ... they are real genius ........

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Originally Posted by TheFoX

I should point out that while no back end code is present, you can actually test whether a site is secure by analysing, then modifying, some elements of HTML.

I use a FireFox utility called hackbar, that allows me to modify the query string of, and reload, an HTML page. This means that I can detect if the code is secure.

An example of an old forum bug (hopefully sealed by now), is the quote bug, where you quote a message, which gives you an edit window. On the bugged version of TBS forums, you could modify the 'postid', and it would reload the specific post, and the 10 preceding posts of that thread. There were no checks to ensure that you had access to that specific thread.

Another way to determine if a site is secure is to play with the POST values, and see if you can access restricted areas.

Finally, cookies allow another entry into an insecure system.

Needless to say, a secure system will bounce you out if it detects that you are trying to access a restricted area. A secure system will also deal with SQL injection (which is achieved via HTML). A really secure system will also bounce malicious javascript.

You'd be surprised at how many systems I have been able to compromise, with just a simple bit of HTML modifying. Thankfully, most owners took on board my suggestions, and hardened their sites.

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Originally Posted by forhat

coder are not just a uploader or staff of a site i want u to mention this .......they are doing very hard work to keep a site secure form public....

coder are smarter.....u r using tredational method to see the source code.......coder's have by-passed that tools..........

they best way to see the source code is sniff the packets that are incoming to u the port of u r browser.......then re-encode they to ANSCi-II then u have built the sourse code............this can be done only when u have clear idea about the re-encode because all the sniffed packets are in the binary that makes u mad !!!


i read all the post that are here.........


all are talking about security .....these are trackers they are not bank's .....to run pix firewall in the router's or to have a firewall's in the routers...
to get a seured port in the firewall budget wil blowout

what do u think of the too keep ssl that makes the coder's,admin's how much work they are doing ........i respect the coder who are behind the top tracker ......

i am in not in any top trakcer but some how i try know the url of those....and when i try to see the sourse code.....they i came to know why try are top trakcer's.......

i respect the coder of the F**and F*** ... they are real genius ........

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Good opportunity to practice what you´re telling. :yup:

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Originally Posted by Nemrod

Good opportunity to practice what you´re telling. :yup:

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where we can built a addon the displays the source code...but it is simple .......to write some script and insert in the mozilla....


i want to tougher so i went to the bit re-encode which is like a practice for me in real world..