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:frusty::frusty::frusty::blink::blink::blink:Quote:
Originally Posted by dragoi92
Some member here doesnt use account
they just want to collect and i dont know the reasonw why people collect
Good point well made...Quote:
Originally Posted by puckfaceQuote:
Originally Posted by Time-Traveller
No way, I don't take offense in any way. It actually proves my point sort of. You have seen my history and the such and thats fine. I get branded as a trader and thats also fine.
But, if you knew who I was on the trackers you would know that I am as good as a member as I can be on all of them, as well as active on all the forums (not just here), these are all trackers, "low level" to "high level". Also, I know for a fact that I have talked to many of you on various IRC channels and we have gotten along swimmingly. Some of us not so much, which may translate to here at times :)
Basically, the point is that just because of someones history you cant judge them on the type of member they will be.
2. the public giveaways
Personally I've done a few, nothing special, but basically just to try and give back a little for what I've gained from here, nothing more.
Haven't done one for a while now though as I prefer just to do it in private if someone makes a good enough request.
I do agree with you but there is of course a 'but'. The but is that the only real measure we have of each other in this virtual world is post/irc history and so looking back into someone's history is an important way to understand the user, and even the change in his attitudes over the time he has been part of the community, some start out helpful and friendly and become 'tracker whores' to get what they want then turn into arrogant assholes while others learn the error of their ways and change for the better, so post history is an important part of getting to know someone.Quote:
Originally Posted by puckfaceQuote:
Originally Posted by Time-Traveller
No way, I don't take offense in any way. It actually proves my point sort of. You have seen my history and the such and thats fine. I get branded as a trader and thats also fine.
But, if you knew who I was on the trackers you would know that I am as good as a member as I can be on all of them, as well as active on all the forums (not just here), these are all trackers, "low level" to "high level". Also, I know for a fact that I have talked to many of you on various IRC channels and we have gotten along swimmingly. Some of us not so much, which may translate to here at times :)
Basically, the point is that just because of someones history you cant judge them on the type of member they will be.
As IdolEyes said there shouldn't be an indelible scarlet letter and there are ex-traders I get on with and have a laugh, in fact I have even seen you around :cool:
You can break trading down into the category that trade invites to get the trackers they are after, and then they are happy, it just speeds the process up of getting into trackers.
There are some transgressions though that should not be forgiven, and there are some people that are destructive to the community. There are those who trade time and time again for the hell of it, the stockbrokers of the trading world who use the WTAW thread as currency and have absolutely zero respect or care for the tracker a/c's they are passing around like pokemon cards. These people are not to be trusted, and they are as bad as (and many times are) the same people that scam others or sell invites.
In the end like you puckface I think instead of branding someone with a label they should be taken on an individual case by case basis, but it is a persons history within the bt community which is the one true thing that they can be measured by.
Because sharing is caring? I guess. Or because they want to feel superior.
I belong to the third group. I enjoy bringing others to the sites that I am priveleged enough to have. I don't see it as much of a risk to me because I only invite people that I am 99.9% sure won't fuck me over. I invite people that either I know, or people that have done well for me if I invited them to a lower level site. I like bringing new people into the torrent world most of all, people that have no idea what WTAW is, etc.
Just re-read this bit a and some of the subsequent posts by others leading off from this and I think maybe some clarification is needed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Time-TravellerYou seem like a decent guy and don't take this personally which I'm sure you won't but in a word, no :)Quote:
Originally Posted by puckface
I never checked into your post history or your rep point history or anything like that I only answered your rhetorical question based purely on the number of rep points you had and at the time of posting I was under the false impression that rep points here were public giveaway / trader points :)
and that's exactly what they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Time-Traveller
most of them are, also I have gotten rep points for being helpful (believe it or not).. but probably 80% are from giveaways/trades... mostly giveaways (which are evil)Quote:
Originally Posted by Time-TravellerJust re-read this bit a and some of the subsequent posts by others leading off from this and I think maybe some clarification is needed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Time-Traveller
I never checked into your post history or your rep point history or anything like that I only answered your rhetorical question based purely on the number of rep points you had and at the time of posting I was under the false impression that rep points here were public giveaway / trader points :)
But as I said before, I have no reason to hide that, I believe in full disclosure.
That's a good attitude and your right in what your saying about giveaways I reckon a lot of them just end straight back in the hands of traders anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by puckfacemost of them are, also I have gotten rep points for being helpful (believe it or not).. but probably 80% are from giveaways/trades... mostly giveaways (which are evil)Quote:
Originally Posted by Time-Traveller
But as I said before, I have no reason to hide that, I believe in full disclosure.
haha, the giveaway comment was sort of sarcasm, but thanksQuote:
Originally Posted by Time-TravellerThat's a good attitude and your right in what your saying about giveaways I reckon a lot of them just end straight back in the hands of traders anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by puckface
Get used to it. He usually enjoys making topics about subjects we all already know about.Quote:
Originally Posted by vic
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Originally Posted by Funkin'Get used to it. He usually enjoys making topics about subjects we all already know about.Quote:
Originally Posted by vic
or making posts that he can have you banned anywhere he wants.
i just wanna point out this sentence
group 2 is not entirely true. some users just do GA. never want something in return and they dont just hand out invites. at least they check the applicants' history, or other members also help and give info abut the invitees. yes, they would invite strangers (hey it's internet, almost everyone is stranger) but at least they trust them and make sure their invitee would use the account.Quote:
Originally Posted by Polarbear
but if you are here long enough, you would go to group 3..you will stop doing public GA and only give invites in private to whom you like and trust..
Yeah, I think Polarbear exaggerated the risk and downplayed the degree of trust people have for other members who have access to that section.Quote:
Originally Posted by PlayeR
I think many people give away for delayed compensation, but that isn't anything to deride; because that incentive isn't exclusive and may not even be primary, as someone pointed out on the first page:
But for traders that is the exclusive motivation... material compensation (money, other invites, rapidshare premium account...).Quote:
Originally Posted by meelad
And when that isn't even a motivation, people fall into his category three.
So maybe Polarbear needs to split up category two into two categories: one for those whose delayed compensation is primary... and those whose delayed compensation is secondary.
why is so much emphasis put on rep points whether it be bad or good i mean that would be the last thing i looked at cause you could potentially have many rep points here for GOOD reasons (idk can you even get them for good posts etc.) and still be the biggest shithead on the planet earth and vice versa so i dont really get why those would be relevant in any way period
and to the one about number 2 with good intentions well honestly good intentions or not you could very well be giving invites to the person that could in time ruin that tracker for everyone else...id much rather your good intentions be put to helping out in other ways like maybe finding ONE true good soul to invite who it really helped instead of 5 fools who may or may not be in need and or a positive factor to the site...your good intentions could be hurting the site as much as helping it
oh and i briefly BRIEFLY read over the thread so sorry if its been said/discussed
I invite people when i feel they're sincere and really want to get in a tracker for a valuable reason. Honnestly, i prefer inviting "noobs" and educate them to torrenting (as long as they're interested in the tracker's content) than inviting one of those known users we see on every bt-related forums. Last year, i've invited a guy who knew absolutely nothing about torrenting but he was very interested in a specialized tracker i was member of. So i taught him step by step how to maintain a ratio, how to use and configure his client, how to rip, how to upload, how to reseed etc... well, it took me many time but i can tell you that it was worth it: after a year of membership, he uploaded more than 1TB and downloaded ~800GB ! well, it's his only tracker but he do not own a seedbox and have a regular connection. All that to say that it's this kind of user who makes me happy to invite people who have a real desire to get a tracker for the content, apart from its rarity or design etc...
ps: lol, many members have hidden their bt rep after this thread...
Yeah, there is also the group that hates having unused invites, and is always looking for people to pass them onto when they get them.Quote:
Originally Posted by PlayeRi just wanna point out this sentence
group 2 is not entirely true. some users just do GA. never want something in return and they dont just hand out invites. at least they check the applicants' history, or other members also help and give info abut the invitees. yes, they would invite strangers (hey it's internet, almost everyone is stranger) but at least they trust them and make sure their invitee would use the account.Quote:
Originally Posted by Polarbear
but if you are here long enough, you would go to group 3..you will stop doing public GA and only give invites in private to whom you like and trust..
Damn the trading option then really does look better than the Public giveaways option ..Quote:
Originally Posted by Polarbear
Both the groups put thier accounts into danger when they trade/giveaway .. The diff is that the trader is trading invites to sites where most probably he has no interest in to get into a site he has interest in .. Atleast hes getting something usefull in return .. Whereas the Giveaway guy is just getting some reputation which is again frowned upon here .. So infact its hurting his chances to get into the tracker for which hes doing the giveaways .. So its a now in situation for those ppl who do public giveaways in the any scenario .. Take the Example of Magnum here .. He is by far the most generous guy till date i have seen in this Forum .. He this work out for him?
So now when a new BT user comes to FST what will he do? Trade or help the Forum by public giveaways? Think abt it ..
For pussy maybe :?
Knowing you/your giveaways from another forum (too bad you don't come there anymore), I'd say I'd invite you to any tracker, anytime. But you probably have them all by now. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by puckface
When I'm inviting someone to a tracker I try to know that person better, judging from his posting history, how well they speak english and how they formulate their posts. I don't like beggers who made requests for every imaginable tracker. I encourage people to go for a tracker they really want and wait patiently for it, meanwhile contributing to the community by being helpful and considerate to other members. I don't like people who judge others for their ways (see anti-traders vs traders).
With very few exceptions I'd say I contributed with good members to all the trackers I am member of.
Wanderer, I'm sure you know there are lots of members from non-English origins.
But what I find funny is that they always use that to "cover" their poor English they wrote in a second or two and I think that it's absurd, if I wasn't much of an English speaker I would keep trying and brush it up.
I was also told by a certain senior member that doing giveaways will actually bring me down so I decided not to do any already even though I only give invites to those who deserves it.
From the majority of the tracker's staffs they highly discourage public giveaways.
But they should have thought that some of their members who've got invites had not any computer savvy friends to give to?
I know that - I'm also one of them, but I assure you speaking (or trying to speak) a correct english will take you far and you'll make a good impression. Not to mention it will be easy to plead your case in front of a staff member in case of trouble with your account or getting an invite.Quote:
Originally Posted by AniStoned
That's true, but there are exceptions, too. There were a lot of staff's giveaways made here at FST. While I was member here at FST, I saw giveaways from.Quote:
Originally Posted by AniStoned
FTN - brandon is legendary for his giveaways here
SCT - feeling himself gave away invites to SCT here
FSC - sear had a recruitment topic not so long ago
BCG - stoi is a regular here and one of the most respected members
PTN - had 2 recruitment topics
and so on.
Also keeping an eye on the open signups topic is highly recommended (bitmetv had last year open signups). Just be patient and good things will come to you. :)
Well, I always construct my post carefully if I want to speak my thoughts since a 3rd person's point of view is rather important when discussing important stuffs.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Wanderer
Maybe such as whether a function should be implanted onto the tracker itself or not.
I once got banned on BitMeTV for inactivity as I was away for quite some time and had no internet access, I pleaded and asked nicely but they just ignored me.
But now I'm in again due to help of a good friend I guess? :)
Doing great, PU there.
I've personally never seen Brandon doing that though, would like to be in FTN but I don't think I'll ever get in.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Wanderer
I'm sure the ScT GA by feeling must have been ages ago, they're quite tyrannical in certain aspects TBH. I might be wrong though.
I really respect stoi and I'm a S-PU there, always see him on the forums talking about how drunk he is or such. :lol:
It was interesting reading up on each ones thoughts towards the subject.
I think most users in fst give out invites to build up their rep. It's a beginner's instinct. I myself remember my beginning days in fst.
When I saw users with a high BT rep, my first thought was that these were the only users approached by the tracker's staff for invites, because they gave away a lot of invites and they deserved something in return.
What i didn't know is that tracker's hate public giveaways and the damage it costs. I think it's safe to say that giving invites to random users can hurt a tracker in many ways.
My first reaction after seeing what was going on, was to make some giveaways as soon as possible. I wanted to get with the top dogs, and i remember thinking"Damn this is going to take a long time".
I'm glad the BT rep is frowned upon now, hence it gives beginners a chance to get what they are looking for, and it makes it a whole lot easier.(BT rep is bad after all)
The only thing I would like for us to improve as a community is our guiding skills. I see a lot of new members coming here, and resorting to the trade section because they don't have a chance in the GA section.
We each need to help out in pulling them out of the wrong path. And that is by............flaming the shite out of them. :lol: lol jk jk. We need to show them that getting what they want isn't as hard as they think it is. I guarantee you that by giving them a few tips, can change someone's whole perspective and point of view of the torrenting world. A decent user changed mines at least.
This is just my two cents so don't call me a hypocrite, spammer etc... Last time i tried to reach out, I got flammed with a half page hate post by a mad Bollywood movie watching schizophrenic:lol:
True giveaways are when people know the person for a while, and then pass them an invite without displaying it all over a forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by meelad
To an extent I would totally agree with you wiseD. But there are also those people out there who don't interact all that much with others and yet still would like to give out their invites.Quote:
True giveaways are when people know the person for a while, and then pass them an invite without displaying it all over a forum.
I'm a huge proponent of the community side of torrent sites, but I do also understand there are those who would prefer not to make e-friends and all that crazy crap. FST provides an easy "one stop" place to share their invites.
But you're right, the preferred situation is when friends invite friends to ensure the quality of the new members that enter a site.
Feeling giving invites here:OQuote:
Originally Posted by The WandererI know that - I'm also one of them, but I assure you speaking (or trying to speak) a correct english will take you far and you'll make a good impression. Not to mention it will be easy to plead your case in front of a staff member in case of trouble with your account or getting an invite.
That's true, but there are exceptions, too. There were a lot of staff's giveaways made here at FST. While I was member here at FST, I saw giveaways from.Quote:
Originally Posted by AniStoned
FTN - brandon is legendary for his giveaways here
SCT - feeling himself gave away invites to SCT here
FSC - sear had a recruitment topic not so long ago
BCG - stoi is a regular here and one of the most respected members
PTN - had 2 recruitment topics
and so on.
Also keeping an eye on the open signups topic is highly recommended (bitmetv had last year open signups). Just be patient and good things will come to you. :)
Might be his paypal got full:lol:
people invite others because others ask for it? lol
I got banned for differences of opinion :)Quote:
Originally Posted by The WandererKnowing you/your giveaways from another forum (too bad you don't come there anymore)Quote:
Originally Posted by puckface