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Originally Posted by stoi
But, its a site & I would hope a site wouldn't fuck people over being they want people in, correct?
If your site was where at sign up, people who aren't a member can become one by paying a fee. Would you fuck them over?
I'm guessing no, right? Therefor, I trust my money that way rather then someone from here or the net.
But the whole point of this thread is.
Would you pay to get into a site that was charging members for entry, like O-T or Desi-t if they still do it.
It was not about paying for an invite from a complete stranger or an account/invite on Ebay.
So your answer then after 4 posts, is yes you would and yes you have done, and you see nothing wrong with it.
fine, we got there in the end lol
Lol I belive, I said I would in my first post.
Something like, sure I would if its from the site it self.
But....its all good now
you probably did, but everyone is going on about selling and trading invites, which has absolutely nothing to do with this thread at all, (which is typical BT, no one reads anything properly anymore) i got confused lol
I believe Pedro's does that. But you can also get in with an invite there. So I think that's fair. If you don't have any friends you can buy yourself a membership. I bet the people who pay to get in are the best users. That said, I wouldn't pay to get in. I'm not that desperate, and I think I shouldn't have to pay for something I can get for free (yeah I know I'm cheap).
Nope, never. If I was going to pay for 'stuff' it would be from newsgroups. At least then I know I get full speed on all files available. Not gunna pay for some mystery tracker that may or may not have what I want, and it may have low seeder count on some stuff.
Filesharing is supposed to be free, and with the exception of paying for bandwidth (newsgroups) it should remain that way. Trackers only need a webserver, and they take donation from willing members for those costs, which is also fine IMO, but none were required to pay for access.
I believe that many would pay to get what they want. And theres also a question about how much it would cost and if it's worth it. If the tracker is that good and the only way to get in unless u spend huge amout of time doing stuffs u dont like, then hell ye, i would pay around 40$ to get access to F*N & P**** but i would not want to risk those $40 by buying it at ebay or such.
Well i guess i'm not poor and that maybe will make some of u here mad at me. But remember this: time is money, money is time.
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Originally Posted by Dolphin
you don't even say why you don't agree with it while you enumerate all the assets of a paying system... confusing.
u just wasted a lot of money ermm time i mean :dry:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dolphin
Well I reread it properly, but I stand mostly by what I wrote earlier.Quote:
Originally Posted by stoi
If a tracker doesn't get enough donations eventhough the members know it's staff/owner can't afford to support the tracker any longer, I don't see any reason why you shouldn't close the tracker.
It clearly indicates the members, nor the staff are capable or willing to invest anything in return for whatever satisfaction they get out of using the tracker. Pretty clear to me the only thing to do is closing it.
About the selling of 'memberships'. I do believe you will get a lot of scum in your tracker. There are many traders that are willing to pay for an open slot to a tracker, and trade it afterwards to get into a harder to get tracker. The moment you start 'commercialising' access to a tracker the chances of it all ending badly are far greater than if you don't.
Just my personal view on the issue.
On the subject of me personally paying money to get access to a tracker...no, I wouldn't. Why? Because I wouldn't be getting access to any content that I don't already have access to at another tracker. It would be very stupid of me to waste my money like that just so I can call myself a member at whatever tracker.
Now, I personally don't agree with the fact that one of my favorite trackers, BTmusic, sells accounts. But, I can say that only because I'm a member. My view may be something different if I were to be an owner of a tracker. Perhaps that greed factor would kick in where I would want more and more money, and I would then start selling invites/accounts.
So just because right now I don't agree with sites selling access to their tracker I certainly can't fault them for it either. And I think it's unfair for any other members only to fault these trackers for it too. As you really don't know what you would do until you are in that position.
Ok this just my option and just that but are u NUTS if u said people come into a tracker a great one at that Say Sct or BCG and only pay £5 and u get gets you in, you also get 1 month of full bonuses..there would be so many hit and runs it would not be funny...Well am I right or not???:unsure:Quote:
Originally Posted by stoi
Well maybe with SCT (but i do not know how their donation system works), but for us no, even if you do donate you cant hit and run.
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I would gladly pay to get into trackers. It would be cool if there was a pay2leech tracker that required a subscription each month/year or whatever to be a member. Like nzb indexing sites.
Just imagine how great a tracker could be if funded by all the seedboxers who, instead of spending 25-50-100 Euro a month on a server, could contribute at least some of that to the tracker's servers/seedboxes.
So basically you just want scene access?Quote:
Originally Posted by CoD
I think if you start a torrent tracker, you should have a back up way to fund it. Maybe start a secondary site based on something else that is open and has no legal pitfalls. Then you could try to make enough advertising money to fund both sites for half a month. And then still set a full months goal for the torrent tracker just the same.
You can't always count on your members having extra cash to donate. Look at the music industry there so stuck in there usual way of making money off of artists. And only now are they realizing they need to find new streams of revenue.
I don't claim to know the final solution to keeping a safe haven for file shares. What I do know is that, putting a tax on site memberships will effect the overall torrent community negatively. Once site owners lose the passion for running there site and are only fueled by profits things turn bad. It starts becoming less about what the members want and more about how to survive and increase profit margins. All the while taxing members, until it becomes the Boston Tea Party(Revolution) all over again :)
Of course that's worst case but still, once you start focusing on money it's hard to stop. The easiest thing to do is to stop focusing on one way to make money and find many ways to make money. By doing this there's less stress on your site members. And yes I own a torrent tracker and use many ways to fund it.
It seems to me that anti P2L is the result of the ultra1337ness BT community. While there's nothing wrong with it, obviously you're going to have to consider whether or not it's good value. If you're charging as much as newsgroups obviously you won't have any success, but for a small fee (even just something like 3 USD) think of the benefits to the tracker...no collectors/traders/cheaters making dupe accounts upon open signup, and a handy amount of cash to help support the site, maybe just for emergencies.
Naturally you'll lose some users who prefer to get their files 100% free, like some of the guys have mentioned before, but I think for a one-time payment (of just a few dollars) I think the tracker environment would be improved for it to be worth it by far.
I think there is nothing wrong if members get invites by donation but accepting payments from total strangers to get into the site could attract a lot of snitches from CopyRight organizations and could put in risk the current members. Imo, sites which sell membership don't really care about its current members.
On the other hand, donations are never enough, if donations of the month surpass the server costs you can give the surplus to release groups to buy new stuff to be ripped and shared with the community. I can't see anything bad in reward a donation with an invite or upload amount. At the end donators are the ones who keep alive the tracker.
Warez- not paid.
FTP - paid.
P2P - only for donate.
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Originally Posted by bblogs
I totally agree with this statement. Actually, not everyone has a high bandwidth or even the chance to get a seedbox. I live in South America and there isn't any decent bandwidth here, I used to p2l on sites which accept this to mantain a fair ratio. Even though I keep seeding 24/7 it's impossible for me to get a 1.0 ratio on each torrent, and trackers which are anti p2l were a nightmare for me till I discovered the seedboxes. But I have to send the money to a friend who lives in Europe to rent the server for me because it's not available for my country. And not everyone in South America and Africa have a friend in Europe, so p2l is the only thing that could help them.
I would pay £5 to get into a tracker that had stuff that I wanted and think nothing of it. I already pay about £17 a month for usenet so somthing like a £5 one off fee seems reasonable to me.
i would NEVER pay to join a site. my history on the sites i do use is proof that im a good member and people who are inviting can use that as proof rather then money. i have donated to a few sites but i dont decide if im going to donate until i have seen the entire site and what it has to offer, after that if i decide i like it all i'll help them with their server costs.
It is wrong on a number of issues:-
What is the justification?
So far 1. the site needs money, 2. the people getting in through payment would be better members.(would not cheat, would not trade etc)
It is rubbish....for 1. if the site needs money then it is the responsibility of the old members power users, elites , staff members and the owner himself to raise the money. Every established tracker usually has a lot of power users and elites.. why they don't come forward. After all a tracker does not need a lot of money if only a few elites would take trouble to donate -they would have no problem. On the other hand I think a noob/new comer should have no obligation or desire to donate something for the site. It is only after spending some time in a community when a member would develop an attachment towards the community...only then he would be able to donate not for some material purpose but out of loyalty and friendship. I even think it is rediculous to advertise for donations to the noobs... it is not their responsiblity but of the old members and elites of the tracker. The best strategy for a tracker is to look towards its old and established members for donations.If the elites of a tracker do not contribute how can you expect the new commers to contribute.
for 2. It is an assumption which I am afraid is not based on logic but on wishes and greed.How many good, old and reliable member of a site came through payment. You can analyse your own site members and decided how many good members came through payment. I think answer would be majority of good members came through invite or open signups. So how one can assume that only through payment method one can get good members. I would say it is doubtful whether or not you would get good members but yes a lot of good customers of stolen stuff can be won through allowing them to enter by paying some dollars.I think one should be sure whether they want customers or members.
if the site had very fast releases and the seed was coming from a seedbox instead of some slow 50kbs uploader then i wouldnt mind paying £5 to get in but then again any torrent you find on any site isnt hard to get hold of elsewhere meaning whats the point of paying in the first place when you can get it for free elsewhere :) every site i see showing such as "invite only or donate" then i simply turn away cause there never is what you think there is behind them invite doors only sites :) nice topic though :)
for most of the desi torrent sites you have to pay to get in
at least that has been my experience