Do you respect the scene?

Respect the scene? Sure i respect them, thats not sayin im going to follow their silly rules...

I also do not believe respect is the right word. I am not a member of the scene so how can I 'respect' their rules I am not a Catholic either ? Another point, have you taken the time to read any scene notices regarding p2p? I find it hard to 'respect' anyone that is willing to release others private info in retaliation for someone sharing their stolen warez. The idiocy of some of these scene notices makes them barely understandable.
With the competition that goes on between the groups and how much they put each other down I find it hard to find respect for them there either. The spirit of sharing that came from the original scene is long gone now it is just groups trying to outdo each other and gain brag rights, even if the releases themselves are very poor quality at least they were first, what kind of thinking is that ?
Once the release is pre'd the race is over, unless the group screwed up then the proper comes along etc but once the release has been pre'd to the afil sites then p2p uploaders with scene axx (that they PAY for) race the releases to the various torrent sites. Then the very groups that pre'd the release get upset that afil sites sell access ?
If they truly wanted to have their private little race to see who got there first they could without spreading the releases to afil sites, but what is the point without an audience ? Yet once the release has been pre'd we are supposed to go oooh aaaah that was quick.......... But do not download scene releases if you are not affiliated to the scene ? Is it just me or does the idea of not sharing go against everything bt is about ? I would rather respect the rules of the sharing community I am in, from what I have read of scene notices these groups sound completely mental.

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Originally Posted by RedRansom

I think this story goes to -> if you're respecting scene why you're downloading our shit! from torrent trackers ?

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Most people on the trackers usually dont know much about ,,the scene''...

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Originally Posted by Juno

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Originally Posted by RedRansom

I think this story goes to -> if you're respecting scene why you're downloading our shit! from torrent trackers ?

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Most people on non-scene trackers usually dont know much about ,,the scene''...

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yes true if you are on demonoid and mininova...
but if you are talking about like sct,scc,scenehd all content include scene releases ?:huh:

Oh give me a break, all this wank about "the scene" not wanting their shit to be spread.

If people didn't want their files spread worldwide through FTP and straight onto the main 0day trackers in 3 minutes flat, they wouldn't pre them in the first place. It might have been a tightly run ship in the past, but it's too huge now.

Do i respect the loosely organised network of irc bots and fast pipes from which most of our files of originate?

Well, duh. But that's all there is to it. There is no politics, just the files.

they dont care
and neither do i

Yes, I do respect the scene, though I personally don't agree with some of their limits imposed on high def releases.

I respect them but I usually get pissed when you have shitty rips which result in Repacks.

Like the Pink Panther 2 DVDRip (by HLS), How the FUCK can you make the mistake of ripping the first movie?

The scene needs to really think about the whole idea. I mean if it's all about quality, you shouldn't just rush releases.

Same goes for AC3 instead of DTS in HD Rips.

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Originally Posted by iLOVENZB

The scene needs to really think about the whole idea. I mean if it's all about quality, you shouldn't just rush releases.

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What I find amusing is people thinking of "the scene" as some kind of single entity or place.

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Every individual involved in the FTP scene has different ideas about what "the scene" is, what it stands for etc.

It's viewed by the general public (i.e us) as some kind of super elite co-ordinated entity, unattainable and elusive.

The reason for this is pretty obvious - to be a "member" of the FTP scene you actually have to be able to contribute something. It could be fast access to files, storage space, bandwidth, hardware, and of course even just money, (which is the way most people first get involved).

The general perception of "the scene" as some kind of elite place or club with exclusive membership is as much ludicrous as it is understandable; 99% of people have nothing they could contribute to the scene and wouldn't even know who to talk to if they did.

As i've tried to state, the scene is primarily an efficient, well established and regulated files distribution system. This much is fact, the rest consists of the individual opinions of the individuals involved.

The scene is everywhere, sceners use torrents and vice versa, unlike the torrent scene, it's not some high-level site that you can chat your way into, it's a system, one with a purpose, and one that requires a bit more than just a web browser and an inflated ego to be a part of.

You do not find the scene, the scene finds you when it needs you. Just try it. Get your hands on a not-yet-leaked album, rip it and upload it to what.cd or waffles.fm. I guarantee that numerous scene members will contact you for proof and permission to put it out on global pre.

Even the scene rules themselves are subjective. How many releases have you seen that are crappy quality and against "scene rules", but are pre'd, raced and spread anyway, only to be nuked later?

What I'm trying to say is that the scene operates with a purpose, it's not like torrents at all, and trying to speak of it in terms of torrent politics or standards will always be pointless.

It's there, it's not going anywhere any time soon, deal with it, recognise it for what it is and respect it.

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Originally Posted by Squizzle

You do not find the scene, the scene finds you when it needs you.

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Kind of like an ultra secret government agency but without the sunglasses and spiffy clothes .:cool:

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Originally Posted by Squizzle

What I'm trying to say is that the scene operates with a purpose, it's not like torrents at all, and trying to speak of it in terms of torrent politics or standards will always be pointless.

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You are affording way too much significance to what is in effect some reasonably(OK quite) intelligent people stealing things.

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Originally Posted by Squizzle

It's there, it's not going anywhere any time soon, deal with it, recognise it for what it is and respect it.

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What leads to the unanswered question..... Why?

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Originally Posted by IdolEyes787

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Originally Posted by Squizzle

It's there, it's not going anywhere any time soon, deal with it, recognise it for what it is and respect it.

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What leads to the unanswered question..... Why?

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Why does anybody do anything?

Respect, gratification, reward, y'know, the usual pursuits of ordinary individuals.

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Originally Posted by Squizzle

What I find amusing is people thinking of "the scene" as some kind of single entity or place.

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I think the people who've been here long enough know that it's not just a single entity or place :P

I was referring to the members who 'rush' releases. I also believe the scene standards need to be updated for FLAC :whistling

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There are in fact rules for FLAC.

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Originally Posted by RadiancE

There are in fact rules for FLAC.

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Scene standards? Where?

For example http://www.paster.cz/scene-rules-for-flac-rips

I have mixed views about the scene.

If you have the contacts, or just work in a warehouse which stocks the media, then nearly everyone can release what the scene releases, albeit, probably a bit later. but then you have PC games that need cracking, now i am pretty sure that if the scene did not do this for us, we would have some bright sparks in the P2P community that would/could do this.

But on the other hand, just look at Oink, Pre Release music uploaded to oink by normal members, Uploaders get arrested, Oink Goes down, Owner gets arrested.

But yet trackers have countless numbers of Scene release pre-released material, and nothing much happens, because they tend to go for the scene that release it, rather than 1000 trackers that have it.

So yes they do put their ass on the line, but this dont spread our stuff onto P2P is bollocks, its the scene thats leaking it in the first place, if they did not, then we could not get it, its pretty much that simple, so if they dont like it, then instead of going after trackers that do 0 day stuff, take down the sceners that are releasing it to the trackers (probably for cash, but dont hold me to that. as i cant say 100% if it is or not.)

i respect their work but not their egoistic way of sharing.
they'd like to share only with their privileged circle of nerds while millions internets users have a hard time to find films & music.
no seriously, if they don't want to risk their ass, they just have to stop ripping and spreading their releases, end of the story.

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Originally Posted by Squizzle

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Originally Posted by IdolEyes787

What leads to the unanswered question..... Why?

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Why does anybody do anything?

Respect, gratification, reward, y'know, the usual pursuits of ordinary individuals.

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Not why do they do it ?Why should I respect them for thievery?
By that twisted logic I should respect anyone that breaks the law as well. . because I'm sure that they do it with just as much altruism as is involved with the scene.

And the bit about for respecting for the inherent risk:poppycock, see above.


Have the OP change the wording to appreciate instead of respect and I might agree though.:whistling

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Originally Posted by RadiancE

For example http://www.paster.cz/scene-rules-for-flac-rips

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Yes, I do respect the scene.

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Originally Posted by IdolEyes787

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Originally Posted by Squizzle

Why does anybody do anything?

Respect, gratification, reward, y'know, the usual pursuits of ordinary individuals.

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Not why do they do it ?Why should I respect them for thievery?
By that twisted logic I should respect anyone that breaks the law as well. . because I'm sure that they do it with just as much altruism as is involved with the scene.

And the bit about for respecting for the inherent risk:poppycock, see above.


Have the OP change the wording to appreciate instead of respect and I might agree though.:whistling

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Well, the scene is arguably the fastest and most efficient files distribution network in the world, and I respect it just for that.

Whether you respect "them" is neither here nor there, but you have to respect "it", in my view anyway.

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Originally Posted by iLOVENZB

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Originally Posted by Squizzle

What I find amusing is people thinking of "the scene" as some kind of single entity or place.

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I think the people who've been here long enough know that it's not just a single entity or place :P

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Hah, where do you mean by here? FileSharingTalk? :rofl:

I wouldn't say I respect them per sé ... I know they are the ones that make it possible for me to get the files I want. Am I gratefull for that? Yes ... Do i respect them for that? No, since I don't know 'the scene' ins and outs. All I know I have from hearsay and I can't base a sound judgement on that.

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Originally Posted by Squizzle

Well, the scene is arguably the fastest and most efficient files distribution network in the world, and I respect it just for that.

Whether you respect "them" is neither here nor there, but you have to respect "it", in my view anyway.

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I see that point that you are trying to make .A person can be a fan of say the Premier League and still not admire a majority of players therein.
However as I am not necessarily an acolyte of computer technology in the first place(or for that matter an admirer of artifice over individual), although your point is valid ,in my case it doesn't apply.

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Originally Posted by Squizzle

Hah, where do you mean by here? FileSharingTalk? :rofl:

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Yes :)

what kind fo question is this?
most ppl would answer this question if they knew the sceners. (which i doubt)
You just cant respect something that you dont know shizz about.
As radiance already said, it more apt to ask, whether you download scene stuff or not.
As far as i am concerned, yeah i download the scene releases, but respecting it is a different matter altogether.
I do appreciate the effort they put in to share the stuff in an efficient manner though.