Rapidspeeds Gbit NL review/discussion

People who use these Servers for websites etc don't only use them for 1 website, there could be hundreds of websites on this server. Just 2 days ago we had someone move to us from another company. This user was going to use the server for a website and would need 2 more server the month after. The website is such a website like megavideo.

So all well is well :P

We now have a few more servers up for grabs on our site with a bit more hard drive and upgradable ram :) . Gives people a bit more selection. We are also looking at introducing more servers near the beginning of January to catter for people not wanting to pay £120 for a server. We will see how it goes ;).

Interesting new offers, the main problem is there is very little difference in HDD speed between those, though with 32GB RAM that might help with sites etc.

Are you ever going to get into 4 disk setups, or is that too much risk of someone doing too much BW? :D

Hi Thelen,

Well, more cache on the hdd when the size increases.

To answer your question though, we have two ranges of servers:

Dell PowerEdge R210 -> Quad Core Xeon X3430 - Upto 32GB DDR3 - 2 hdd slots (1000GB, 1500GB & 2000GB hdds available)
HP DL120 G6 (new) -> Quad Core Xeon X3430 - Upto 16GB DDR3 - 4 hdd slots (1000GB or 1500GB hdds available).

We wouldn't offer 4 x 2TB for power consumption reasons and also we know exactly what people would be upto, hammering alot of bandwidth thats for sure - Although, the 6TB server, that will be priced a little higher as the switches for that rack would probably need another 1 or 2GigE added to it so the trunks could feed the rest of the bandwidth to other racks and not all to that one - if you however just wanted the reliability of RAID 5 and 4 x 1TB this won't be priced that high :)

4x1TB or 1.5TB is ok, but 4x2TB suddenly uses more power? LOL? Last time I checked the power usage difference between those 3 is about 5 watts, during spinup, and about 2 watt while idle. But whatever, the end result is to prevent someone using Gbit for a whole month (something that costs you around 1200 euro) while only paying a couple hundred euro for the server :D

Out of curiosity, where are you buying all the gear from? I notice they are the same that LW offers, do you buy them from LW or whoever supplies LW or just open market? (ask because I've not been able to find a reliable supplier, at least not one that directly sells from Dell = EXPENSIVE)

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4x1TB or 1.5TB is ok, but 4x2TB suddenly uses more power? LOL? Last time I checked the power usage difference between those 3 is about 5 watts, during spinup, and about 2 watt while idle. But whatever, the end result is to prevent someone using Gbit for a whole month (something that costs you around 1200 euro) while only paying a couple hundred euro for the server :D

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Meh, as if you could possibly waste shitloads more BW with 4 x 2TB HDDs versus 4 x 1.5TB HDDs.

@Thelen

Are you mentally challenged disabled person ..? :unsure:

a Google search about your name "Joshua D'Alton " says you are :whistling

Indeed solaris
Look here what i found

http://www.paradox.com.au/~jcdalton/...renSMALL03.jpg

hahaha. MATT DAMON

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hahaha. MATT DAMON

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lol

lol ;)

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Originally Posted by heiska

Meh, as if you could possibly waste shitloads more BW with 4 x 2TB HDDs versus 4 x 1.5TB HDDs.

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You can't? Their reasoning was it uses more power, neither WD nor Seagate specs indicate a more than 1% increase. Even if it was/wasn't the case, the 2TB perform 10% or so better IO wise, but my main comment about using more BW was 2 vs 4 (or more) disks..

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@Thelen

Are you mentally challenged disabled person ..? :unsure:

a Google search about your name "Joshua D'Alton " says you are :whistling

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No? (And/or, that relates to this thread how exactly?) How did you get that from googling me :S Please do tell...

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@Thelen

Are you mentally challenged disabled person ..? :unsure:

a Google search about your name "Joshua D'Alton " says you are :whistling

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No? (And/or, that relates to this thread how exactly?) How did you get that from googling me :S Please do tell...[/QUOTE]

Even i tried to google, but i didnt find anything as such.
But if you look at the pic, then indeed you look Retard..

Riiiiight...

How is it the retard can type better than you then?

Anyhoo, still trying to get better performance out of this than an OVH EG best of, it looks like whatever Debian install you guys use is a little different than OVH.

Thelen,

Honestly... KnowinServers is right - you are an idiot.

I think you would be better to stick with OVH then Thelen - we are getting sick of you bad mouthing our company trying to say a problem is there that doesn't exist - if you can't tell the difference between OVH's custom hardened kernel and a plain raw install any other company uses, including all home users, you shouldn't be running a 'website selling seedboxes' - if Leaseweb are so bad why is it Feral & Xirvik who are 100x bigger than you selling them? Superseedbox are about to as well.. NO ONE ELSE is complaining Thelen - why don't you come on IRC channel and speak to some people who have it?

When something is done right, people won't realise you have done anything at all.

Anyways Thelen, we won't be replying to you in this thread again - if you want to contact us, use one of the methods we told you about before.

So, basically, after admitting you did indeed have a problem, and in fact cancelled a whole server range, and had to migrate people to other servers, suddenly now there isn't a problem? Or do you mean to say you fixed the previously reported problem, and that no new problem has been reported (or acknowledged by you to be reported anyway)?

I never complained about LW, nor even you, just made observations, which you confirmed not just on here but in the ticketing system, that there seemed to be strange things happening with regards to server and bandwidth performance, which you apparently fixed even though on your forums there doesn't seem to be more than 3 people complaining about the problem. Doesn't make much sense to me. Does it make sense to you, aside from the trying to save face? I find it funny as well that my suggestion about local trunking to increase inter-server bandwidth apparently hadn't been thought about by you (or maybe you were just humouring me?) yet you claim I'm an idiot... lol.

As for Feral and Xirvik, customer number wise perhaps 10x bigger which shows clearly you don't really have a clue about me or our company... And while they and you have been dealing with LW for 6 months or so, we have had servers there (not related to seedbox) for over 6 years. Clearly there is a difference between a bunch of rented servers and a fairly large colocation with trunked bandwidth setup, which makes it all the more confusing how you managed to screw up so badly your offering from there, when all of that should be being managed by you directly.

I seem to be the only person in the thread that has any rationale, while you all think I'm an idiot. But then, you all think 2TB HDDs use shit loads more power than 1 or 1.5TB drives, even though all the rest of the internet can read a fact sheet, so perhaps you're the idiots? Or at least, maybe Rapidspeeds could admit they said it does not because it actually does, but as some weird rationale for bandwidth saving (even though as someone said a 2TB drive shouldn't make any difference in what bandwidth can be used)...

lol, but i doubt it. this thread is what you call, oops we made mistakes and trying to cover them up badly reveals logical inconsistencies left right and center.

Just calculated, the difference between 4x1TB and 4x2TB is max 4W per server, which assuming just 115W per server (the TDP of the CPU used in Q2000 + mobo usage), = ~3.5% increase in power. So, not 1%, however even allowing for 30 servers per rack, that amounts to just 120W or 0.5A difference. If we assume that somehow takes you over the 25A per rack max, makes more sense to just have 1 less server per rack if power is such a big deal. Makes more money sense as well, the difference between 4x1 and 4x2 being 30GBP or so (based on the difference between 2x1 and 2x2) means just 4 of these such servers sold to make up the difference in revenue, and in fact capital costs are less too. But whatever, clearly you've all thought about that haven't you, using the same brains that decided to use vSphere without testing it first?

I can't even be bothered to read that lol, my last post on here too. Don't expect an answer, move on and enjoy your OVH. :)

2TB Caviar Green uses less power than 500Gb Barracuda btw :P

and yes that was insanely stupid idea to use virtualization "to offer" dedicated servers... Really...

I've been watching this fiasko from sidelines, and it's funny to see that the rapidspeeds servers are barely better than Digicube crap, despite DC, Network and hardware being many times better :D

I'm not offering 2TB simply because I know what users would be using it for, there's a reason OVH never offered 8TB servers.

I don't even think we will go for 6TB, never mind 8TB - and Yes, Green Caviar does use less power, but it's not as powerful performance wise - why would we limit our customers?

Say what you like bud, you don't have one therefore can't comment - as for us being better than Digicube? They have a 1TB transfer per week, and the only carrier they use is Cogento, and thats just ONE of leaseweb's many - so how they could beat the speed i'll never know...

Your all quick to slate us when we make a mistake. We are just starting off on our own, we are going to make some mistakes and then later correct them no doubt.

I'm sure OVH and other larger organisations made mistakes when starting off.

Firstly, LOL @ you couldn't resist replying again, and again, and again!

Secondly, why would you use green power or anything low power, they do indeed suck ass performance wise, even worse than a 1TB 7200.10, but you claimed some huge power increase exists, when it doesn't.. As for "say what you like you don't have one", not sure what you mean by that, but we have GP and access to google and review sites... The people that would benefit from 4x2TB over 4x1.5TB wouldn't use that much more bandwidth (10% based on IOPS increase), and yet you could also charge more and have some customers be even more happy, rather than merely content with 6TB. It is funny you talk about some vague reason OVH decided not to have 8TB, especially since 2TB drives have only been available after their less recent price updates and they have plenty of 1.5TBs still in stock from the previous offering. What reason do you think, especially considering they have a bandwidth limit anyway? :P

Since you probably haven't even gotten more than a single server from Digicube you probably can't comment, whereas we've had 20 or so from them. We've most definitely had more than 1TB transfer per server in a week, in fact the remaining in-use server we have with them does an average of 15TB a month :D They also use more than just Cogento (Telia and others) so shows you what you know, LOL.

We aren't quick to slate you for making a mistake, but when 50,000GBP worth of hardware setups racks bandwidth and whatever is involved, you'd think you would have done a little more research especially considering you have massive exposure.. :D Not to mention, delivering what was sold, and providing a kick ass alternative to OVH.

OVH are still continuing to make mistakes, it is really amazing how such huge companies are so terrible. LW as well really, you get faster service from Amazon lol.

bah im tired of this thread and you Josh. I've already seen in other threads what your like lol and people have commented and they couldn't have got it more right.

Anyway Good luck with your seedbox companies. ;)

Regards

Craig

Darren and Craig Guys, why do you even bother to reply to his posts..

Thelen is a retard, he is stupid .. He is suffering from some kind of Phobia..
like TalkShitPhobia ..
I have been reading over here and on OVH forums as well, seems he has a habit of talking shit and ruining peoples advertising threads.. so just fucking ignore him..

And dude thelen, take some medications You are Seriously Ill..
and i warn you, there have been enough of negative comments from you in this thread, one more shitty post and your gone. I'l Make a PORN MOVIE WITH YOUR STUPID FACE and pay people to download it..

so please behave or gtfo.

PS: Sorry Mods for being rude, but i dont have anyother option as well..


Anyways, Thelen Hope you improve ... Good Luck buddy

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Originally Posted by Thelen

No? (And/or, that relates to this thread how exactly?) How did you get that from googling me :S Please do tell...

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It says you went to school for special people....:unsure:

Your attitude is immature & language is rubbish

You don't have any idea about how much RapidSpeeds have invested.

Even if your father sells you off, he wont get that much money

hmmm... @solaris I think, Thelens Dad must have surely tried to sell him off..
and thts the reason he is suffering from Mental Disorders.

ahh i am Glad today, that i have finally researched some vital info..

To the World today, I present my research. A new mental disorder, which forces the victim to write long and unnecessary posts. and it shall be named THELENOPHOBIA :p


By Dr . XXXX ( will reveal my name, the day i complete my PhD )

:)

Craig funny stance to have, relying on the (incorrect) assesments of other people, perhaps this explains how you guys decided vSphere was a good idea. clearly from your lack of substantial 'factual' backing up of any of your statements you are just posting in here to .. achieve what exactly? anyone outside reading it is going to see me, the thread starter, saying how bad the service is and providing even some details, while you are just sitting there saying it ain't so, and participating in the flaming of a (apparently) retarded person? but hey, good luck running your business as well...

knowin, you do know phobia means fear of right? so talkshitphobia would actually be the fear, and avoidance, of talking shit. i think what you are after is talkshitfetish or something like that. you also recommend people to ignore me, yet apparently you can't leave this thread (or me) alone. why do you keep posting lol? you can't even follow your own advice? who is (apparently) retarded now?

also, what advertising thread did i ruin? this is a review thread for one, started by me no less, and on ovh there aren't even any review threads let alone advertising? lol, you failed pretty hard there. especially since apparently you think you have no option than to insult and belittle someone who (you think) is retarded. pretty pathetic, insulting and hating on a (so you believe) retarded person, that is very low, even for you lol...

solaris, actually i know down to about 5000GBP what rapid invested (or at least what it should have cost them, no accounting for them having another fail and paying more than they should have), cos, you know, i can add. isn't hard to research, though you and rapid seem to have failed basic maths with regard to hdd power usage, so not surprising you think it is all a big mystery?

i just can't get over how much all you guys love me, there is no other explanation for why you put so much effort into flaming or in general just posting useless drivel, either that or you truly are too bored to even lurk on 4chan. i suppose you'll turn around and say "hah, the joke is on you, you have been on "candid-flame-a(apparently)-retarded-guy-camera" or something?"

Well, i dont know about craig and darren
But i Love you man...
And have fun reading your posts :)
You are like , The Toy Joker, you just give it a key or press the button,
it starts to dance, same way with you , we type a line or two
and you post your senseless comments..

Also, more info added to my Theory of Thelenophobia.
And indeed Phobia means fear, the fear you have or had when your father was trying to sell you off..
Haha.... waiting for your stupid comments.

Anyways, i am here for fun, i had much .. i am off now...
cya
and Love you Thelen

Thelenophobia would mean I was afraid of myself. If you wanted to say I have/had fear of being sold off, perhaps you would say slaveryphobia or sellophobia or something along those lines.

Out of curiosity as well, how many slots per server do you have on your VPS? Assuming you were delivering the 2GB on the L400 via the larger netdirekt 24GB server, does that mean 12, and like 40 for the L300? I'd love to test how much "unlimited" bandwidth can actually be used, cos even though you can buy more from them @ something insanely low as $2USD per TB, actual ability to use in either case (not assuming overloading of the server) can't be even that high due to their network which is basically worse than OVH.

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Craig funny stance to have, relying on the (incorrect) assesments of other people, perhaps this explains how you guys decided vSphere was a good idea. clearly from your lack of substantial 'factual' backing up of any of your statements you are just posting in here to .. achieve what exactly? anyone outside reading it is going to see me, the thread starter, saying how bad the service is and providing even some details, while you are just sitting there saying it ain't so, and participating in the flaming of a (apparently) retarded person? but hey, good luck running your business as well...

knowin, you do know phobia means fear of right? so talkshitphobia would actually be the fear, and avoidance, of talking shit. i think what you are after is talkshitfetish or something like that. you also recommend people to ignore me, yet apparently you can't leave this thread (or me) alone. why do you keep posting lol? you can't even follow your own advice? who is (apparently) retarded now?

also, what advertising thread did i ruin? this is a review thread for one, started by me no less, and on ovh there aren't even any review threads let alone advertising? lol, you failed pretty hard there. especially since apparently you think you have no option than to insult and belittle someone who (you think) is retarded. pretty pathetic, insulting and hating on a (so you believe) retarded person, that is very low, even for you lol...

solaris, actually i know down to about 5000GBP what rapid invested (or at least what it should have cost them, no accounting for them having another fail and paying more than they should have), cos, you know, i can add. isn't hard to research, though you and rapid seem to have failed basic maths with regard to hdd power usage, so not surprising you think it is all a big mystery?

i just can't get over how much all you guys love me, there is no other explanation for why you put so much effort into flaming or in general just posting useless drivel, either that or you truly are too bored to even lurk on 4chan. i suppose you'll turn around and say "hah, the joke is on you, you have been on "candid-flame-a(apparently)-retarded-guy-camera" or something?"

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Thelen, I never replied to you in my last post, it was to another user who asked about the hdds - stop thinking the world revolves around you.

I didn't answer this question as it was none of your business, but i'm not going to have you thinking you are right.

We have 38 Dell R210's per rack on 25Amp (5,75KVA) power on 32Amp 1-ph No-Break A.

So yes, the power increase with 38 servers x (4 x 2TB) would actually push us over the power limit - go on Josh, tell me i'm wrong?

Yes we made a mistake on the D1000, big deal - everyone was compensated, and given a better deal in the end.

It's funny how two dedicated server companies think the exact same about you Thelen - if you don't like the server, you know what to do.

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I'm not offering 2TB simply because I know what users would be using it for, there's a reason OVH never offered 8TB servers.

I don't even think we will go for 6TB, never mind 8TB - and Yes, Green Caviar does use less power, but it's not as powerful performance wise - why would we limit our customers?

Say what you like bud, you don't have one therefore can't comment - as for us being better than Digicube? They have a 1TB transfer per week, and the only carrier they use is Cogento, and thats just ONE of leaseweb's many - so how they could beat the speed i'll never know...

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LOL! You couldn't have made my point more clearer than that!
Better network, better hardware ... Still somehow comparable to OVH XD

You use LW, yet somehow manage to be only barely better than Digicube :D

Btw, Digicube does offer "a bit" more than 1Tb a week in reality, i still have couple servers doing there 50Mbps 24/7 monthly averages ...

And yes, i do got access to test myself your offering, both the earlier and this new one.

2Tb Caviar Greens have lower performance definitely, but if the capacity is the main advantage being sought after, or power usage is a problem, they fit the bill perfectly in BOTH scenarios. Personally i'd use Caviar Blacks as mid-way solution, or if money is not problem then SAS Constellation ES (Which has ~1/10th of failure rate than OVH's used 500Gb Barracudas. We had 3 of those 500Gb barracudas fail just last weekend alone)

Tbh, i think your offering will be semi-good as you get the kinks worked out all around.

btw, OVH does offer 2Tb drives in Kimsufi FS series and HG series (SAS there) and servers with vastly more capacity than just 8Tb too.

Digi had only Cogent until recently they upgraded.

LW's support sucks nowadays even more than Digicube & OVH support. I've used LW for some 10 years now, and i'm always turned off by the lack of any support. Their definition for "ticket resolution" is ANY reply whatsoever. HDD replacement *can take* 2weeks. Unfortunately, still have to stick with them for a little while longer as i have premium hosting customers needing servers to be located in Amsterdam or nearby with <5ms latency to their workplace.

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Thelen, I never replied to you in my last post, it was to another user who asked about the hdds - stop thinking the world revolves around you.

I didn't answer this question as it was none of your business, but i'm not going to have you thinking you are right.

We have 38 Dell R210's per rack on 25Amp (5,75KVA) power on 32Amp 1-ph No-Break A.

So yes, the power increase with 38 servers x (4 x 2TB) would actually push us over the power limit - go on Josh, tell me i'm wrong?

Yes we made a mistake on the D1000, big deal - everyone was compensated, and given a better deal in the end.

It's funny how two dedicated server companies think the exact same about you Thelen - if you don't like the server, you know what to do.

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Oh ok, yea I suppose you technically are correct since you did say "to you", but not very clear really (seems like a lot of that around here). Either way you clearly replied to me again, so you still loose :S

The Dell R210 uses maximum 300W, so 38x300 = 11,400W = 49.6A maximum used. Presumably you talked to Dell or LW or someone and they told you what power would be actually used/required, that all makes sense. You are budgeting 50% power usage (@25A total) or 150W roughly per server from what you posted. But, clearly you wouldn't sell ALL of them with 4x2TB, and if even you DID, simply having just 1 less server online would make up the power difference, which is 4W per server X 37 servers or 148W total. Presumably you would make more money from 37 larger servers to make up for 1 less server per rack, but given they won't all be 4x2TB you'd think you'd make far more from even 5 of those sales than the potential risk of having to purchase 1A more power (I don't know what your actual usage is, but you say you have 32A available?). So I dunno, maybe you are right about it taking you over the power, but as I've shown clearly that is a narrow-minded assessment of the situation and ignoring of the other factors?

Maybe you two companies (who is the other? knowin? if so, he's a reseller not a dedicated server company... ?) both think the same way because your narrow view of life in general and servers in specific can't let you fathom that you might be wrong or that, and as annoying as I might seem, someone else might be right (maybe even for the wrong reasons?).

guys no one will beat or get lower than OVH's gigabit prices..so dont let some provider bs you. gigabit boxes MIN are 95GBP with VAT

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guys no one will beat or get lower than OVH's gigabit prices..so dont let some provider bs you. gigabit boxes MIN are 95GBP with VAT

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Lol, newfag.

Even netdirekt is cheaper than bitch ass OVH.

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guys no one will beat or get lower than OVH's gigabit prices..so dont let some provider bs you. gigabit boxes MIN are 95GBP with VAT

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Lol, newfag.

Even netdirekt is cheaper than bitch ass OVH.

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lol yea <_< netdirekt won't last forever though with their prices, selling extra BW that cheap is the same as OVH and their unmetered servers.. at least OVH doesn't have any RBN connection, unlike netdirekt lol.

just looked at http://www.netdirekt.de/ will you please show me how this is cheaper than OVH??? ive been on a german seedbox before and it was slow. (but i dont knwo for sure if that was on Netdirekt or not but it was germany)

It is cheaper than OVH if you want a lot of traffic on Gbit. Also, you can get way better prices than the web prices (I hear Xirvik pay only about 60% of web prices).

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It is cheaper than OVH if you want a lot of traffic on Gbit. Also, you can get way better prices than the web prices (I hear Xirvik pay only about 60% of web prices).

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Well bandwidth is not as cheap as you say dude. Its 5 Euros per TB, but indeed cheaper than ovh.
Also xirvik gets such a high discount, because they have hundreds of servers from them,and net direkt afford to give them as such cheap prices.

Actually it is more like 2.5 euro per TB, once you order 50TB. But, obviously it is unlikely you would use that with anything less than 8 disks, but compared to OVH you can get 50TB for like 1/5th of the price it would cost at OVH.