Because some people can't help but take bittorrent seriously. :rolleyes:
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Because some people can't help but take bittorrent seriously. :rolleyes:
Roll up bro.. That avatar of yours makes me wanna. Eh, out of green-stuff today.Quote:
Originally Posted by Funkin'
Well sheesh, do I need to spell everything out for you? You're taking all of Idol's and my words far too literally. Even the slightest ability to read between the lines would go leaps and bounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Six66Mike
Question. And by question, I meant a rhetorical question. Idol doesn't know how you could've managed such a buffer without the use of a seedbox. By saying so, he states it as if it a question but isn't expecting an answer as he implied by the way he wrote it that he already knows the answer. Ie, he is posing a rhetorical question.
In addition, congratulations on nitpicking one of the least consequential parts of my post while failing to admit that you competely misread Idol's post.
And yes, Fastsh.it has everything to do with your credibility. And by credibility I don't literally mean your trustworthiness, but your credibility in defending an argument that it is easy to seed on BMTV with a home connection. I don't believe for a second, that being the owner of a decently prominent seedbox provider, you never used a seedbox to seed at BMTV and contribute to your absurd buffer (and even if you started fastsh.it after you had a substantial buffer, my point still stands. You clearly need a lot of past experience to manage a decent amount of seedboxes on shared servers and VPSs, it had to come from somewhere).
If that was his question I already answered it. Long term seeding. I seeded my very first BMTV torrent up until about 2 months ago. And I did it initially from my home ADSL connection, unmetered upload though at 1mbit speeds. If you stay on torrents long enough regardless of speed you will earn huge rewards. Partial season seeding, also hugely beneficial and outlined in the FAQ on the site to maintaining a good ratio.
I never claimed that I haven't used a seedbox on BMTV, because I have and do so now since I've switched ISP's many times and moved house. And it has contributed, my buffer is somewhere in excess of 6TB now instead of 1-2TB. But the fact remains unchanged that the first 1TB buffer and then some came off the back of long hours seeding and patient leeching on a home ADSL connection. I guess you could contribute the 40-80GB monthly download quota to the lack of leeching, and the free upload and endless seeding to the buffer. Had there been no limit to my download I guess I would have been greedy and less patient, ruining any ratio I had.
It's generally recognized fact that BMTV is one of the hardest trackers to keep ratio (seed GBs, etc), mainly because of those f*ckin' seedboxes. Who is an idiot is usually one that can't admit the facts and do nothing but call everyone around idiots.
Generally, it's not impossible to gain 1tb with home connection of course, you just gotta seed hell of amount of torrents for a long time, well that method does the trick on practically any tracker. However that amount should be downloaded somehow too, without being banned for low ratio
Like Rart said questions can be implied I would have thought that any idiot would know that. :whistlingQuote:
Originally Posted by Six66Mike
And also before the use of seedboxes were the exception and not the norm on places like the one we are talking about here .Not to mention back then BitMeTV as people have attempted to point out to you seemingly with ( as with everything else ) much success , had this particular playing field much more to itself ( the whole gist of the original post actually :mellow:) .Quote:
Originally Posted by Six66Mike
Anyway c'est la vie.The only thing that I really care about in this thread is your boorish insistence on referring to other people, who you frankly know nothing about , as "idiots" .
If I was of like simplicity as yourself I could just as easily state that I have found those that discuss seedboxes on this site to overwhelming fall into the "idiot" category if not by intelligence then by demeanor but since I'm not ,I shalln't.
That btw was a statement.
f*ckin' seedboxes? . Your argument is like this: Since my home connection is XX then anyone doing better than me is making it hard for ME to seed. Well, obviously. But if you have a HOME 50 Mbit/s connection, you are making it harder for anyone with a 3 Mbit/s, and those are making it hard for dial up user.Quote:
Originally Posted by CleverMan
So either trackers make all users go dial up, so that those with dial up don't feel left behind, or accept as the fact that home users will need to have a different seeding strategy as they do now (the successful ones anyone).
I don't see 100 Mbit/s seedbox users complain about gigabit seedbox users, by the way. This is a hobby, and as a hobby some people will want to spend just a bit on it (maybe their home connection, however slow it is), some will spend a bit more and for some it's just a passion and they will spends lots of money as long as it's fun for them.
If you don't want a seedbox - that's fine, don't get one. But either seed for a long time (which is great, it helps keep deep archives) or realize that some trackers are not just for you. There are lot of trackers for more casual users, what's wrong with them?
Case in point .Quote:
Originally Posted by xirvfluxf*ckin' seedboxes? . Your argument is like this: Since my home connection is XX then anyone doing better than me is making it hard for ME to seed. Well, obviously. But if you have a HOME 50 Mbit/s connection, you are making it harder for anyone with a 3 Mbit/s, and those are making it hard for dial up user.Quote:
Originally Posted by CleverMan
So either trackers make all users go dial up, so that those with dial up don't feel left behind, or accept as the fact that home users will need to have a different seeding strategy as they do now (the successful ones anyone).
I don't see 100 Mbit/s seedbox users complain about gigabit seedbox users, by the way. This is a hobby, and as a hobby some people will want to spend just a bit on it (maybe their home connection, however slow it is), some will spend a bit more and for some it's just a passion and they will spends lots of money as long as it's fun for them.
If you don't want a seedbox - that's fine, don't get one. But either seed for a long time (which is great, it helps keep deep archives) or realize that some trackers are not just for you. There are lot of trackers for more casual users, what's wrong with them?
Please guys. According to Six66Mike this simply isn't true. And incase you skipped this part, he is ridiculously sick of reading about it. So I would highly appreciate it, for his sake, that everyone would stop spreading this lie.Quote:
Originally Posted by CleverMan
What about the ones that distribute them?Quote:
Originally Posted by IdolEyes787
I don't know how to respond since my already precarious toehold on reality has been severely shaken by your apparent move to the Darkside. Attachment 64131
You called?
To elaborate.Quote:
Originally Posted by IdolEyes787Case in point .Quote:
Originally Posted by xirvflux
Overlooking the fact that ( by your username) you like the previous poster have a vested interested in propagating that sort of thinking , you like the previous poster, for a "smart " person seem to have a questionable understanding of mathematics.
( Again ) Overlooking the fact that anyone the least active on a tracker is unlikely to be on dial-up , it's not a case of 10Mb/s uploaders being equally adverse to slower connections as 100Mb/s up/down . If a person is downloads at those speeds and I upload at say 1 Mb/s I have,what, 15 seconds before all possibility of "gaining" anything from them is gone? At lesser speeds I have at least corresponding more time to at attempt to get something out of the process besides a warning for bad ratio.
Btw not to be a heretic here but I think the whole situation is badly screwed and seeding time as opposed to seeding speed should be of the greatest import.
Again heretical thinking but with more people likely to then join a swarm I doubt if speeds would suffer very much but on the other hand retention would probably increase.
Oh yes if your definition of casual as opposed to "serious " user is simply the amount of largely unused files they consistantly download then someone needs a perspective readjustment.
PS again I see your reason for expounding such malarkey but do you really seriously think that anyone rents a seedbox and spends either an inordinate time or money on building outlandish ratios because it's actually " fun?":mellow:
PPS why the fuck should anyone be required to "have a strategy " for an institution supposedly about sharing and fun?
I've always been there.Quote:
Originally Posted by IdolEyes787
Something something something...dark side...
Well i said that because i'm against seedbox, not because they make me harder to seed or envy, heh. I don't have problem with seeding. But, just consider this example: 1 guy with average home connection gets 1tb by seeding 100 files for say 1 month, another guy gets same upload by seeding 1 very popular torrent from seedbox for 2-3 days. And this situation is quite close to reality i figure. The 2nd guy doesn't have to seed anything now for a while, can get anything and hit-n-run. Not really good for retention of files, and you can bring up any arguments for seedbox defense, but it's true. Not all seedbox users do bad such bad seeding though. I remember couple of times downloading pretty old stuff from seedbox. Well it's mostly matter of conscience, loving to share, and etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by xirvflux
My opinion, only solution: trackers should adopt some rules to prevent collection extra amounts of upload on new and popular torrents using fast connections, eg like say on certain music tracker. :naughty:
I guess i make your business looks bad, well sorry if so, but that's how i see things :)
You know for some reason I always pictured you to be taller.Quote:
Originally Posted by Funkin'I've always been there.Quote:
Originally Posted by IdolEyes787
Something something something...dark side...
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A hobby? Stamp collecting is a hobby. Playing computer games is a hobby. Watching sports is a hobby. Watching an singular, artificial number go up as you waste countless dollars is not some kind of pastime or something the people enjoy doing because they're passionate about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by xirvflux
It's for ego, it's for epeen, it's for getting into "rarer" torrents sites, and nothing more. Anyone who says otherwise is kidding themselves.
Oh I'm sorry. BMTV is a hobby for the TRULY HARDCORE, and I'm just way too casual. I'll leave the self perpetuating elitists who can't think of anything better to do with their money to stay on BMTV, while I trod over to TVT, which has far better speeds on older files, far better retention, and a far more extensive selection of shows. Cause, you know, I'm just not hardcore enough for BMTV.Quote:
Originally Posted by xirvflux
Yes. Lets spend months and months trying to maintain a buffer while carefully only downloading the smallest amount of actual content in order to ensure that my buffer remains intact. :mellow: At the same time, TVT can max my upload pipe on even the oldest shows, so I never have to worry about my ratio. The choices, the choices...Quote:
Originally Posted by Six66Mike
In addition, Idol raised a very good point, as you mentioned that you garnered this buffer quite a long time ago, almost 3 years ago (not sure exactly how long, but you mentioned you had your buffer well before March 2009). The BT landscape has changed significantly since then, and I'm sure that there are now exponentially more seed boxes than there were 3 years ago (especially at sites like BMTV). While it's may be possible that you may have maintained such a ratio 3 years ago (apologies for not thinking of this earlier and calling you an outright liar), that is essentially a completely irrelevant point now, as what people really care about is what BMTV is like now, rather than in perhaps some golden age of BMTV 3 years ago when it was actually easy to seed. You can't compare apples and oranges and expect it to be relevant.
And has anyone noticed that the ones most staunchly defending BMTV are the ones who have the most to lose? :rolleyes: I bet if people stopped using BMTV they'd lose quite a significant chunk of their business.
Rart, are you guys talking about tvtorrents.ro?
Just asking because I migrated there when I lost my bitmetv account, about a year and a half ago, and found it to be far from a replacement of bitmetv as far as content went. So much that I went back to IRC to get BMTV back...
Have things changed that much since then, or is it a different site you are speaking about?
How about you not jump in, I was getting smarter reading this back & forth; Rart/IdolEyes787 VS the world....Quote:
Originally Posted by Tokeman
PS: From what I gather BitMeTV < TVT < BTN
I was talking about TVT.com.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tokeman
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Originally Posted by EyeCandy
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Originally Posted by EyeCandy
If that's all you got from all this then obviously not enough.:mellow:
Btw to dispel any thoughts of mere sour grapes on my part.
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I really just want to lay out the true facts here . Despitedelusionsself-servicing protests to the contrary it has gotten progressively harder to effectively seed on BMTV but they are hardly alone in that unfortunate circumstance and as Rart my apparent tag-team partner said the question isn't "what silly strategies do you need to employ to get around the fact?" or as the seedbox providers would like you to believe "how much is it reasonable to spend to alleviate the "problem ? " but rather " is any of it really worth the trouble" ?
Anyway if you think that a protocol originally designed ( repeating myself) for unbiased sharing should degenerate into a multi-tier system merely for the egos and profit of a minority then I'm afraid that there is nothing I can do about it.
no way you've been there for two years, they've done the christmas bonus every year since they opened over 5 years ago. First few years was double upload only, last 2 or 3 was double upload, half-download.Quote:
Originally Posted by peeves
as for comments about their top10 code being broken, IIRC, about 2 or 3 years ago some of the major uploaders threatened to stop uploading altogether because they wanted to remain anonymous, but their names were all in the top 10 list. Since it's a feature I don't think I've ever used on any torrent site, I'm not sure why that's an important feature. I don't even know that they have a professional coder on staff
anyway, the main issue that seems to be getting raised here is that the torrents there are too well seeded. As opposed to the majority of sites where the main complaint is that the torrents are under-seeded. Bitmetv is not for the casual torrenter, period. It never claimed it was, most of the people on staff there have always agreed that it takes more work on the member's part to keep an account in good standing.
They're still my exclusive site for tv content, both new & old, and I have very little trouble seeding back to 1:1 within 48 hours on a home connection on just about anything I DL there.
Their current site design leaves something to be desired, but the bottom line is it works. I'm not sure why they would really need to grow their userbase, it's been between 18,000 and 23,000 for at least the last 4 years, that seems healthy enough to me.
The forums are less active than they were 4 years ago, but part of that has to be the changing times. when bmtv began, no one I knew was watching their favorite shows on an ipod or smartphone, or streaming entire seasons of shows from netflix... These days I read that netflix accounts for something like 25% of ALL internet activity in the evenings. A big percentage of that has to be tv shows. Stuff that was hard to find 4 years ago is available from a lot of sources now, many of them 100% legal. I used to get 90% of my tv shows from bitmetv, but I now DVR at least half the shows I watch. I use bitmetv for UK & Swedish tv shows now, and maybe 25% of the US shows I watch are downloaded from BMTV.
Maybe you missed my multi-point first point outlining all the reasons I think BMTV is failing and will be surpassed by BTN in content, quality, speeds & community very soon. If I wanted to promote my business I would 1) buy advertising and 2) be posting in the Seedbox forum, not here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rart
Just because you've promoted one doesn't mean you can't defend the other. They aren't mutually exclusive. And you have done both. I was mostly referring to xirvflux anyhow as his post was far more aggressive and blatant in his defense of seedboxes. Although the fact to you seem to refuse to even acknowledge TVT as a viable alternative doesn't exactly help your cause.
And there already is a site that has surpassed BMTV in content, quality, speeds, retention, selection, you name it. It's called TVT. I feel like I'm talking to brick wall here, you've never even felt the need to start a debate with me, only blithely ignoring my arguments while stubbornly referencing only BMTV and BTN. Shows how pervasive this elitist attitude is, people just seem to ignore plain facts. There are countless shows on TVT I haven't been able to find through BMTV, recent and older files easily tend to have 5-10x as much seeders, the retention is far better on old, 5-10 year old shows, and with 2-3 torrents it is incredibly easy to max your upload pipe. And you get a 1.5x upload bonus if you're a seeder. TVT has surpassed BMTV, and it has for quite a while. It's just simple facts.
So is there going to be a point and time at which you'll actually respond to the points in my post? For the last 2-3 posts all you've managed to do is completely ignore the meat of my post while only choosing the smallest semantics in my word choice to nitpick over. Are you ever going to substantiate a response to the previous points I have made, or perhaps you can't think up of an argument against us, as, well, Idol's and my points actually make logical sense?
Nah I think I'll just ignore all of it :)
I believe this statement falls under the label of irony, but I could be wrong...Quote:
Originally Posted by Six66Mike
How to maintain a happy albeit blank superiority.Quote:
Originally Posted by Six66Mike
1. Make an unsubstantiated but "high sounding " statement.
2. If anyone gives counter-arguments put fingers in ears all the while silently repeating the mantra " I am right and they are douches.I am right and they are douches "
3. When pressed pretend that you actually already given the answer to everything and the offending parties are so far beneath you you tire of them and don't need to explain it all again.
4. Rest comforted that no matter what "Mums" says, you have once again proven that reason , rationality and common courtesy are in fact not truly necessities of life. :):):)
Alright. :happy: Only serves to make you look bad, I couldn't care less myself. Guess this really shows how ignorant the "elite" in BT really are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Six66Mike
Couldn't have said it better myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by IdolEyes787