my anaylsis on usenet vs torrenting

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Originally Posted by Hypatia

one can do without it

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oss117 in rio

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german edition bluray is there (fr\ger audio)

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starter for 10

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Its also there, English edition

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if your wishes have a bit more variety than usual scene shit, newsgroups can be useless

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there are loads of nonscene stuff there. Both classic in various edition and general.

What i was trying to say you wont find so many movies at one place, blurays as well, anywhere esle.
And available at full download speedfor almost 3 years
Lots of releases on your russian hdtracker use stuff from usenet .

And please, gief us ~15 titles(and format) that you couldnt find on usenet except those ones mentioned

Im curious.

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where those starter for 10 & oss 117 can be found?
as for 15 titles (why not 10 or 20? ;) ) - atm the only title that i'm after is japanese uncut bd of transporter. i'm aware that there is a remux at newsgroups but it wasn't "clearly" named and it's passworded so it requires some "advanced" skills to find it and download.. as for older stuff - for dvd: sabotage 1996, dollar for the dead, that thing you do (extended), beowulf 1999 r1, attention bandits! 1986, most wanted 1997 - for those dvd's i had to make (successful) dvd requests; for full bd's - after my req's got filled most of the stuff got forwarded to hdbits and further so if they were upped less than a year ago, they were probably issued from bt too: Dude, Where's My Car? , Dan in Real Life (US) , Major League , So I Married an Axe Murderer , Les rivières pourpres II - Les anges de l'apocalypse aka Crimson Rivers 2: Angels of the Apocalypse, Billy Madison
MR 73 with 25 mbit vc1 - i had to leech it from ddl.

hdtracker - it's hard to remember when was the last time when i could find there something useful for me except for some variants of russian audio tracks.
but speaking of russian oriented trackers, i wonder if hdclub took Sherlock Jr. & Three Ages (1924/1923) Blu-ray 1080p/i AVC DTS-HD 5.1
released 4 days ago from newsgroups

..as for "one place" - do you use one forum/site to search for things? and here's the name of "one" place for bt - rutracker :)

You cant really compare them though, they are 2 totally different protocols.

Usenet:
1 uploader, uploads to their servers, 1000`s download from their servers
no idea how many members they have but lets say $11 per month, 500,000 customers = $5.5mil per month = server farms galore

Torrents:

Lots of members sharing, on their own bandwith, some seedbox, but for the most part, home connections, seeding lots of torrents = primarily slow downloads (especially on older stuff)
No where near 500,000 donors, not even on the biggest tracker, probably and this is just a guess, biggest tracker/s getting about $10,000 a month max, and more than likely less than $1000 per month = no server farms.

Usenet vs FTP vs Web DL

Torrents Vs Emule Vs limewire (if its still going) would be a better comparisin.

Before I started using Usenet I had 1.5Tb worth of storage and thought it was enough.

Then I got Usenet and now I got 11Tb worth of storage.

True Story. Usenet makes 20Gb for 1 film seem perfectly rational.

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Originally Posted by duarte

makes 20Gb for 1 film seem perfectly rational.

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Regardless of download method/speed and storage capacity, I don't think 20 GB is rational. An encode of some typical 20 GB BD source at just over 50 % bitrate is very, VERY, transparent at same resolution in most cases, and that's using the same codec (albeit different implementation). I feel that the sizes are inflated because of the hardware development + codec implementation limitations (both in encoding and compatibility concerns).

guess I'm not rational then.. or ahead of the curve, 1Tb to me is not alot of space...and 20gb for my favourite film at its highest quality...worth it!

I could re-encode my collection to make smaller - but really CBA :)

20GB? Self-made remuxes of some of my favourite movies are up to 40GB in size. Some Blu-rays have very little extras, most of the BD50 space is used for the main movie.

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'm aware that there is a remux at newsgroups but it wasn't "clearly" named and it's passworded so it requires some "advanced" skills to find it and download

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its passworded because its internal release from abhdtv

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so if they were upped less than a year ago, they were probably issued from bt too

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suuuuuure thing :D
found these
2)Dude, Where's My Car?
2)Dan in Real Life (
3)So I Married an Axe Murderer
4)Les rivières pourpres II ger edition
5)Billy Madison
6)MR 73 ger edition

anyways, i guess everyone will stick to ones own opinion

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Originally Posted by Hypatia

its passworded because its internal release from abhdtv

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so if they were upped less than a year ago, they were probably issued from bt too

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suuuuuure thing :D
found these
2)Dude, Where's My Car?
2)Dan in Real Life (
3)So I Married an Axe Murderer
4)Les rivières pourpres II ger edition
5)Billy Madison
6)MR 73 ger edition

anyways, i guess everyone will stick to ones own opinion

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sure thing? why's this irony? i have exact dates when it was released in bt, was a bit too lazy to compare.. purple rivers / mr 73 / bm probably got released earlier, i saw them being dead in hdbits logs and i always had impression that hdbits have a decent synching with newsgroups
so. none of forementioned dvd's could be found? cool. and i asked before about abhdtv, and the only release i'm kinda interested atm is (wow, surprise!) - it's from there.
you also ignored my question about sites where you was able to find stuff like starter for 10, thank you very much :)
u know, i'm not discussing the topic just to hold to my opionion, i'm just a bit curious about how ppl are doing with newsgroups. they say - it's easy, it's easy!! but when it comes to some particular details, it seems like there are some missing links in the chain..

Everything is easy once you have done it a few times, and everyone was/is a noob in something or other until they do it a few times.

BT and Usenet are very easy to grasp.

get client, input your usenet provider/username/password. either download full groups or use a site for nzbs (like here) dl NZB. tell client where to put the files, download files, bingo done, if you client doesnt have a par mechanism, then download quickpar start the par2 file in quickpar, it should fix it, unrar it, watch/play/burn/listen to it.

The only thing that i have found to be a PITA with usenet is some music, they are not multirared, and some dont come with pars, so only way to know they are broken or not is to listen to them, at least with BT you know they wont be broken unless the uploader screwed up. there are also a hell of a lot of viruses on usenet, but if you know what you are doing (6 gig PC game listed as a 500KB file) then you will be safe. passworded rars are a PITA as well, but luckily i havnt got to many of those, and when i do i just delete the things anyway.

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Originally Posted by stoi

Everything is easy once you have done it a few times, and everyone was/is a noob in something or other until they do it a few times.

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i know all this stuff, i dlded some porn from news well before all this bt bullshit started, the missing link for me are those nzb sites. they're either look like btjunkie or (in case of abhdtv) as i said - is pay before you'll find out that it's useless hdbits clone....

So if you have the hdd space, download all groups and get your client to auto update once every 12 hours or so, then you never need to use those sites, ever. (but using the sites are easier if you know what you are after)

PS only one i actually use is http://www.nzbindex.com/ used to be newzleech before it closed down.

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Originally Posted by stoi

So if you have the hdd space, download all groups and get your client to auto update once every 12 hours or so, then you never need to use those sites, ever. (but using the sites are easier if you know what you are after)

PS only one i actually use is http://www.nzbindex.com/ used to be newzleech before it closed down.

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nice joke.. what's the cumulative traffic of all alt.bin? and for bruteforcing passwords on all "rare" "internal" releases i guess i need to use all of my supercomputers. ...oh and i also have to go somewhere (like blu-ray.com) to figure out what possibly i could download.. nice
and this nzbindex is exactly what i had in mind when i mentioned btjunkie.

...i completely understand dsl guys who prefer to spend money on newsgroups instead of seedboxes (and seedboxes, btw exists mainly because of laziness/stupidity of bt staff who can't introduce normal credit systems to stimulate users to share stuff instead of doing hit/n/runs) - ddl or newsgroups is very logical for them, but for "normal" lines with symmetrical speeds choice of the main protocol for pirating stuff can be made with other priorities..

Sometimes I feel so special...
All this people complaining about passworded releases, incomplete ones, etc. And yet, on my decade long experience with usenet, only a couple of times I had an incomplete release and only once I got a passworded one.

I must be the José Mourinho of Usenet...

?? itwas not a joke, all you need is about 20 rooms and you have 95% of binaries, chrst alt.bin.boneless and you have 80%

Hey stoi, don't you use Newsleecher's SuperSearch? It works better than any automated indexer that I know of.

I tried newsleecher a few years back, didnt like it, I have used newsbin for years, it uses a bit of ram but i like the interface etc, so i just stick with that.

I don't use it either for downloads, just for searching the groups with SuperSearch.
Really, give it a try, you won't regret it.
Available for download at the NZB section.

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Originally Posted by CleverMan

I got only 2 or 3 spam letters in approximately a year

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And I get same amount of spams in lless than 1 hour. Was almost offline for past 1 month or so. Checked spam folder after 1 month, deleted over 500 spams. :/

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only one i actually use is http://www.nzbindex.com/

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Poor choice to use only one indexer

It should be Mysterbin(shows you what is inside archives)+ preferably something like newsleecher's supersearch that dont get takedowns.

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Originally Posted by kukushka

before you'll find out that it's useless hdbits clone....

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IMAO clones dont have their own releases both blurays and HDTV 1080

why is it a poor choice, i know what i am after, and if i dont I download the whole group and just peruse the whole lot in compact view.

games i use my site to get the filenames/or use my site, movies i use vcdquality (even though its gone downhill a lot recently for votes), music i just go and download gigs and gigs at once i never know what i want with music, and if i do need an app i go to nfohump or orlydb to see the name of the release.

Done it that way for years, and works a treat, dont need anything else.

for several reasons

1) there are lots of fakes that you wont spot if they have the same name,structure etc on nzbindex
"Looking" inside archives is a HUGE +

2) Mysterbin SEARCHES INSIDE archives, not only shows you their content(like partially binsearch)

3)Plus,this way you can search without even typing a name. Just using plain size filter and see what is inside those criptic archives


2) nzbindex doesnt have stuff (taken down or just because of technical glitches) that other indexers have.
same might apply to other sites.

Thats why if you havent found something via one indexer you might wanna try another one

but everthing i have wanted has been on that (so far)

never downloaded a fake ever, i just avoid small files and wmvs for the most part.

I don't quite understand why this is an 'either/or' thing.

I mean, I suppose the OP point was to clarify some differences to people where it may've been unclear. Fair and valid.

Personally, I've been using both for years, and I will likely continue to do so for as long as they exist. They both have a purpose.

Usenet is generally where I go first if I'm looking for something, ratio-free is nice.
Then I'll look @ torrent sites, and I'm pretty good about keeping ratios good even on public trackers.

[really obvious point about downloading/uploading from where or where redacted]

I guess if you're considering cost/risk.. then it does matter if a few dollars for usenet a month is worth it, and risk is always between the keyboard and chair, no? :whistling

Bottom line: bittorrent > usenet.

Discuss...

The speed on usenet made me switch long ago and the retention is amazing now. I use bittorrent rarely when I don't find what I need, mainly stuff on bitme.

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Originally Posted by shipwreck

Bottom line: bittorrent > usenet.

Discuss...

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Bottom line: usenet > bittorrent

I have been using usenet for my past 18 months as my primary source for downloads, and I do download quite a lot, and I've only used 2 trackers in that period.
One was BCG, because I found there the game I was looking for, along with all the mods and extras, in one pack, something that actually later I found out it was on the usenet, but with a different name. And the second was FTN a couple of weeks ago because I was looking for Hell's Kitchen first 4 seasons, and only from the 5th onwards you could find on the usenet, and at every other generalistic tracker existent.

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Originally Posted by Cabalo

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Originally Posted by shipwreck

Bottom line: bittorrent > usenet.

Discuss...

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Bottom line: usenet > bittorrent

I have been using usenet for my past 18 months as my primary source for downloads, and I do download quite a lot, and I've only used 2 trackers in that period.
One was BCG, because I found there the game I was looking for, along with all the mods and extras, in one pack, something that actually later I found out it was on the usenet, but with a different name. And the second was FTN a couple of weeks ago because I was looking for Hell's Kitchen first 4 seasons, and only from the 5th onwards you could find on the usenet, and at every other generalistic tracker existent.

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u obviously don't use sites such as sceneaccess :)

I obviously do. Forgot to check the archive.

This thread has no love for my jDownloader :(

Already know at least one thread about this topic, which seems to be one of inexhaustible sources of debate - http://filesharingtalk.com/threads/428243-BT-vs-Usenet
My position is still the same: since it's not really possible to find content similar to that on some unique trackers (kg, cg, tik, sdb, ptp, what, u-g, pedro's, bitme etc), i don't find usenet attractive. Apparently, usenet beats general trackers like tl, scc- so on, but hardly can be a substitute for unique-content trackers.

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Originally Posted by anon-sbi

This thread has no love for my jDownloader :(

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I still can't figure how to use it, am I supposed to max out my connection even without a membership to rapidshare and stuff? When I tried it, I ended up with slow speed. I also didn't find any search engine for DDL that was as good as nzbmatrix (that's the only nzb site I use, I grab the rest using supersearch).

Perhaps if I knew how to use I would be so happy with it that I would drop my usenet membership, but I'm not convince so far.

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Originally Posted by KFlint

I still can't figure how to use it, am I supposed to max out my connection even without a membership to rapidshare and stuff? When I tried it, I ended up with slow speed.

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That depends on the particular file hoster. Some (Mediafire, Megaupload, 4Shared, Rapidshare also removed the speed limits for free users some days ago) will give you good or excellent speeds. Others limit them (Fileserve, Depositfiles, Duckload) limit them as a way to promote their paid subscriptions. Once you know which hosters to prefer, speeds shouldn't be a problem. Also, if interchangeable links are available, you can download multiple parts from a different host each.

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I also didn't find any search engine for DDL that was as good as nzbmatrix (that's the only nzb site I use, I grab the rest using supersearch).

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I used to search for stuff in Hotfile-Search, then Warez-BB if I couldn't find it there. Now it's just Warez-BB as 90% of the links on HS ironically point to Filesonic, whose speed is horrible because of the bad routing to my country.

Thx, I'll give it another try.

I've stopped using jDownloader some months ago, when it stopped recognizing the captchas on most of the sites.
Have those issues been sorted out meanwhile ?

It can OCR anything but reCaptchas as far as I know. Sadly, that's the method most popular sites with captcha protection (Hotfile, Fileserve, Oron) use.

If you don't want to deal with them, then it's a matter of looking for Premium cookies (only supported for RS and MU to deter "illegal account sharing") or using the "good" hosters I mentioned above, none of which use captchas.

Let's add some fuel to the fire.

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Originally Posted by shipwreck

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Originally Posted by by some usenet fan two years ago in a now closed thread

Lets talk in a couple of years when unfortunately the bitorrent communities will cave and eventually disappear under the impossible conditions set by isp's and orgs

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That's what they said 2-3 years ago. I'll come back to you in a couple of years, provided that I'm still here, and this forum still exists, of course.

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http://filesharingtalk.com/threads/3...=1#post3225286

Here I am. Bittorrent is still going strong, while usenet is learning to live with DMCA takedowns...

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while usenet is learning to live with DMCA takedowns..

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one should choose wisely NNTP ISP

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Originally Posted by shipwreck

Let's add some fuel to the fire.

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Originally Posted by shipwreck

That's what they said 2-3 years ago. I'll come back to you in a couple of years, provided that I'm still here, and this forum still exists, of course.

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http://filesharingtalk.com/threads/3...=1#post3225286

Here I am. Bittorrent is still going strong, while usenet is learning to live with DMCA takedowns...

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You clearly never used usenet to make such a statement.

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Originally Posted by Hypatia

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while usenet is learning to live with DMCA takedowns..

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one should choose wisely NNTP ISP

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True, but on the other hand, Giganews still is the biggest ISP, for example, so quite a few people are actually affected by this.

The point was that the user I quoted expected Bittorrent to go down and become irrelevant in forseeable future, while usenet remined a 'safe haven' for pirates. In reality however, usenet is being threatened today, too, while (private) bittorrent trackers are going stronger than ever. These days, it's become rather difficult to successfully start a new tracker, simply because there are so many of them, too much competition even in the niches.

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Originally Posted by Cabalo

You clearly never used usenet to make such a statement.

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What is wrong about that statement? Do you want to deny that certain newsgroup ISPs are plagued by DMCA takedowns these days, a relatively new phenomenon that didn't exist (to this degree) when the initial statement was made?

Define what you consider as plagued.