ok i agree i shouldnt of brought eminem into this im sorry and if kids "sleep" with him thats cool but now if somebody says sleep with somebody they automatically think that its something sexual.
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ok i agree i shouldnt of brought eminem into this im sorry and if kids "sleep" with him thats cool but now if somebody says sleep with somebody they automatically think that its something sexual.
eminem doesn't hate everything and everybody... you ever listened to his words???Quote:
Originally posted by johnnytightlips2@2 March 2003 - 17:36
dwightfry ur a very intelligent person and im not saying everybody else is dumb and everybody has a right post thier opinion but u should think about this. we need ppl like micheal cuz he likes to be kid and he loves children. ppl like eminem all he wants to do is kill his own mama and hate everybody. everybody is dying and everything so we need more ppl like mj in this world. and whoever said n word should really reconsider about wat they said cuz im a coloured person so i dont like anybody calling me the n word. solid snake relax i know eminem is good and hes really talented but he should use his talent to do good music not use it to diss other ppl.
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The only problem there is that MJ is an adult.Quote:
Originally posted by Ron+2 March 2003 - 17:42--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Ron @ 2 March 2003 - 17:42)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--dwightfry@2 March 2003 - 17:31
MJ isn't normal by any standards, but that doesn't make him sick, that makes him different. That is all. MJ reaches kids at their level, teaches them good morals, and becomes their friend. And friends have sleepovers all the time. There is nothing at all sick about that.
Adults DO NOT have little children sleep in their bed.
Especially if those kids aren't even theirs.....
IMO, it's not a way of teaching those kids good morals. To the contrary even.... [/b][/quote]
Correction: Adults DID NOT have children sleep in their bed. Now there is one that does. That doesn't make it immoral though. Once again, that's just different. No more, No less.
relax man i said im sorry
Listen to the slim shady lp everyone who wants to diss eminem, its old but will explain his anger. But, hasn't anyone else noticed how he's changed.
i agree he is changing. did anybody notice this thread is changing from micheal jackson to eminem.
yeah he has... a bit tho...
you ever thought maybe the parent made there children sleep in the same bed as MJ...
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Why would parents make their kids sleep in the same bad as MJ. And if they do, Which I highly doubt, That isn't MJ's problem, I think that is the parents problem. Maybe those parents are the ones who should have their head examined.
I know, and I asked you too leave him out. umm... sorry.Quote:
Originally posted by johnnytightlips2@2 March 2003 - 16:53
i agree he is changing. did anybody notice this thread is changing from micheal jackson to eminem.
Anyone noticed the new smile face :), looks like he's just been blown. I prefere the other one.
@wocus - thats a possibility, I dont think mj would see it. btw, I love that emoticon.
wocus where did u get that whistling emoticon.
johnny when you reply click 'show all' emoticons, theres loads of new ones. :-" :"> :pirate: :'( :devil: :ermm: :geek: :* o:) :flowers: :nuke: :phone: >_< :santa: :ninja:
:wacko: ...cool an icon to sum up MJ....WACKO.. :lol: :lol:
:beerchug: hheehehhehehe cool emoticon
Eminem's sum of all quotes (he didn't actually say this, but if I was to write all the quotes from him, then I would have to be here all day :D ):
I'm not racist, I hate everybody the same way!
Michael Jackson: "Yes, I think it's OK for grown ups to sleep with young children."
:D I rest my case! :D
Do you all like the new emoticons I suggested?
I like this one :shifty: and this one :-"
where did you get that eminem quote from?
Sorry, you're right, he actually didn't say that.Quote:
Originally posted by TRshady@2 March 2003 - 19:12
where did you get that eminem quote from?
I just summed up all the other quotes into a simple one. :D
Read this. ;)
I've edited it now. B)
cool, you have to bear in mind though, all those quotes were said a LONG time ago. Also in terms of his music, you shouldn't take it seriously, he likes pisses people off for fun. Anyone heard his song 'stimulate'?
eminem (in stimulate) - "You shouldn't take music so seriously it might get confusing, I'm trying to seperate the truth from entertainment its stupid aint it?, I get get sick of trying to explain it, now I could sick and argue with you but it goes beyond..........."
edit: typo
i must say i like his music.. but do not like him as a person
that documentry didn't do him much good
i agree the show really screwed him up.
what documentary are you talking about?Quote:
Originally posted by Icey@2 March 2003 - 20:49
i must say i like his music.. but do not like him as a person
that documentry didn't do him much good
The BBC one, I think. :unsure:Quote:
Originally posted by TRshady@2 March 2003 - 21:15
what documentary are you talking about?
Read this. ;)
I'm not a big fan of his songs,as for the person IMO he's a certifiable fruit loop and should not be allowed around children! :wacko:
yeah thats wat im talking about.
Michael Jackson is a fucking pedophile!!!
The BBC one, I think. :unsure:Quote:
Originally posted by DataMore+2 March 2003 - 21:24--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DataMore @ 2 March 2003 - 21:24)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--TRshady@2 March 2003 - 21:15
what documentary are you talking about?
Read this. ;) [/b][/quote]
oh, I thought you was talking about eminem.
My bad :">
I believe they are talking about the MJ documentery that aired on television a month ago. A reporter told MJ that he was going to give an honest look into MJ's life, but ended up twisting everything that was said. He was a real bastard.
I'm sorry I mentioned Eminem now, I only did so to compare Michael Jackson with, what i think, is an equally talented artist.
I think that we should all agree to disagree as things havegot a bit heated over this subject. The thing about Michael Jackson and Eminem is that away from their music, they are the kind of people you either love or hate. They both produce music that is loved by millions of fans but away from that their personal lives seem to rub some people up the wrong way. They have their bad points but with ppl like Saddam and Osama out there I'm sure you'll agree that they're not that bad in comparison. They wont be around for ever so why dont those who like their music just enjoy and those who dont......YER MAW!!!
Ciao
Don't forget that he gave (and still give) a lot of money to welfare foundations.
I think he is a great musician.
Don't knock pop.(all of you saying pop sucks were or are pimply teens that bought Green Days albums and thought you were listening to Punk!......can you say Pop with a capital POP!) ;)
I listen to everything and there is good and bad in all of it.
I can't stand Wako Jacko for his molestation of children however!
Read the SmokingGun.com article
Wacko Jacko needs help!
Punk,Metal,Rock,Jazz,Classic.......Rules!
Pop is Pop...............but we all like to kick off our shoes and dance to? ;)
Peace brotherdoobie
Oh well, I'm done. I've said my peace. If I were to continue on I would just be repeating myself. If anyone has any interest in the truth of the matter, read my previous posts, it's all there. I give a non-bias account of the whole situation, if you still want to believe the worse, then that is your right. <_<
i agree im through with this u people seems to be like everybody else always hating somebody cuz there successful in life and ur not. why dont ppl give mj a break.
i will be specific and too the point , micheal jackson was the most popular singer of all time during the 80's and would have been remembered as the greatest singer of all time had he not turned white/molested children/disfigured himself. heck when i was a kid i was a fan myself ,and while i still like the old tunes i think its as plain as looking at him that we can all tell something isn't right in his head , if he really did have a disease that turns you white fine i could accept that , but the plastic surgery i cannot ,He saw himself as imperfect and so he just kept going and going and going.
I feel that he is an unfit parent , i feel that his children are in jeporady and that other parents who let their children stay with him are also putting their children at risk . i saw parts of the special and what strikes me the MOST is that the birth mother of the two children has NOTHING to do with them .She just popped them out took the money and walked away , how DISGUSTING is that . So what the children are left with is a grown man accused of molesting children for a family .If it comes out later down the road that he molested his children that heartless woman should be held accountable for abondonment .
Okay, I was wrong, I haven't talked about everything. MJ's first 2 kids were legit kids. The mother got no money for that, MJ was married, got laid, got kids. The third child was from a saroget mother. There is nothing wrong with that. It happens everyday.
Will somebody tell me how or why the feel MJ is a threat to kids? I see no reason to believe that. There was one alegation 10 years ago, and in 10 years, nobody else has come forward, so why would you believe that?
And who cares about the plastic surgery. Metal bands disfiguare themselves all the time.
As for the belcony thing. ALL PARENTS MAKE MISTAKES! My girlfriend almost drowned because her dad told her jump into a section of water called 'the toilet bowl'. It sucked her down to the bottom and she couldn't get back to the surface. It happens. Being popular doesn't mean you are perfect. All parents make mistakes.
I AM TELLING YOU PEOPLE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE WHOLE PICTURE, THERE IS NO EVIDANCE TO SUPPORT ANY OF YOUR ALIGATIONS.
Instead of attacking him, why can't you just say, "he's one strange guy" and leave it at that? Most of us are adults now, we should act like it. It may have been accepted as a child to pick on people who are different, but not now. Mature a little.
It's not the plastic surgeries that makes him a freak.
The plastic surgeries that he does aren't very normal, but he has the right to do them if he wants to.
:D Look at Cher, that's every plastic surgeon's dream! :D
You say MJ gives money to charities.
Here's what charities said about him:
"We feel it is totally inappropriate for an adult man to share a bed or bedroom with a child that is not his own"
MJ has enough money to buy his own zoo, don't you think he can afford good lawyers and pay people before they can even speak? ;)Quote:
There was one alegation 10 years ago, and in 10 years, nobody else has come forward, so why would you believe that?
Yes, you're right.Quote:
I AM TELLING YOU PEOPLE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE WHOLE PICTURE, THERE IS NO EVIDANCE TO SUPPORT ANY OF YOUR ALIGATIONS.
I believe OJ Simpson also got away like that... Legal terms. <_<
Yes, he's one strange guy.Quote:
Instead of attacking him, why can't you just say, "he's one strange guy" and leave it at that?
So are all the pedophiles, the murderers, the rapists...
People can be strange, but there are different kinds of "strange".
If you like having your body totally covered with tatoos then you're strange, if you like killing people, you're strange too.
You have to know where to draw the line. ;)
MJ is a grown up that likes to sleep with children.
You can't see anything wrong with that? :huh:
You just have to ask yourself the following: Would YOU let YOUR kids go to Jacko's Neverland and let them sleep with him, since he's all that innocent and pure as you claim he is?
finally, a good rebuttle (SP?)
1. 90% of america believes that it is wrong, but doesn't mean it is. At one time we thought slavery was alright. All because a lot of people believe it, doesn't make it true
2. This is america, celibrities can't do anything with out the press finding out, I don't think any amount of money in the world would change that. More importantly, no loving parent would accept money in exchange for being quiet. Allow something like that to continue with other children would be just as bad as doing it.
3. O.J. went to court, and was found not-guilty. I'm not saying he isn't guilty, I'm saying that it is a different situation.
4. STRANGE, not sick. This is like saying all squares are rectangles (which is true) and all rectangles are squares (which is not true). If you are a pedophile that is strange, but if you are strange that doesn't make you a pedophile.
5. MJ is a man the likes to sleep with children, not MJ is a man that likes to fuck/touch/etc... children. People associate sleep with sex which isn't right, and it doesn't make any sense. Sleeping has nothing to do with sex, how that got started in the first place is beyond me. When children sleep in his bed, they do just that. It is the same as having friends sleepover when you were a child, or crawling into be with your parents in the middle of the night. All kids have done it. Children see MJ as both a friend and a father figuare, so they are going to want that. And MJ is mature enough to not be threatened by it, he sees it how it really is, and knows that there is nothing wrong with it.
6. I, honestly, would not let my kids sleep in the same bed as him. Not because I'm afraid of what he'll do, but because I've never met him. However, I take naps with my friends 6 year old sister. I'll be lying down watching tv, and she'll lay down with me. Her parents don't care, I don't see anything wrong with it. If I were friends with MJ, then things may be different.
7. I'm not saying that I know for a fact that he is innocent and pure, I'm saying that these opinions are based off of 1 accusation (a rumor, as it was called in highschool) from 10 years ago.
Michael Jackson claims to only have had two plastic surgeries.
We all know for a fact that it's not true, but he completely believes and is convinced that it is true!
Even when the facts are exposed in front of him, he completely denies it all and we see that he's serious.
Here's some definitions that will help you understand MJ's behaviour:
Pathological Liar - "A pathological liar believes in the lies, at least at the time that she or he is talking. Their stories tend to be very dramatic. They often portray the person as being smarter, braver, more attractive, or more interesting than she or he really is. Sometimes people begin to catch onto pathological liars because of obvious flaws in the stories. A fairly young man will describe his heroics in the Vietnam war. A homely woman will talk about all the men who fell instantly in love with her. Sometimes the flaws may be more subtle and it may take a knowledgeable person to find them. Often it happens that a pathological liar will be caught out at a party by someone who really was a pilot, really lived in Africa, or really was a fashion model.
Suspect a pathological liar if:
the stories seem too dramatic or unrealistic
the lies seem to serve no purpose except to impress people or
the lies can easily be shown up
Sometimes pathological lying appears to be related to physical causes, such as problems in the brain. Other times they appear to be related to low self-esteem."
Pedophile - "The most common type of pedophile personality is the immature model. These people have never been able to maintain a successful interpersonal relationship with others. At some point in their lives, they discover that sexual activities with pre-pubescent children can be achieved and they feel a sense of fulfillment they cannot obtain anywhere else. They are classified as loner deviants and usually will not associate with other deviants. Since they lack social contact with others, they spiral downward into deeper recesses of pedophilia and fantasies. Pedophiles can be found at every social and economic level and can be established members of the community."
Tell me if MJ doesn't fit the description... ;)
He doesn't fit the pathological liar profile. He lied about plastic surgery, that doesn't mean he is convinced that it is true that he only had 2 surgeries, he may have his own reasons for lying. And yes, he has probably lied about other things to, but he doesn't go around telling people that he dug a whole to china in his backyard, or that he has penguins living in his basement, and when people come over to see them, he claims the zoo took them back. A friend of mine is a pathological liar, these are things that he has told me. Lying about surgery isn't even close to how pathological liars lie.
He does fit the pedophile description except for the part about actual pedophelia. You don't know if he has those feelings about children or not, that is something that you assume. If you took out that part, there would be millions and millions of people who fit that discription. And it would be the box/rectangle thing again.
If you are a pedophile, you fit this description
If you fit this discription (not counting the part about the children, because you don't know that for sure), that doesn't make you a pedophile.
Regarding DataMore's last post on this topic:
Someones been doin their homework eh :huh:
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man u ppl cant stop dissing mj eh!!!