Do we need our own Movie Database

Excellent Idea!

But lately I have done the tour of other verified sites and most of them suck. We would need to insure we only do this if we can make it better than the others.

I suggest a team to figure it out prior to anything happening for real. I mean let's try some experiments first, work on the whole thing until we open it up for everyone.

Too much info is not always good and too little is worse. I suggest we work on this first then trial and error it until we are all satisfied.

First thing, I want this to be sorted and separated. DVD Screeners are not DVD rips and I would want that sorted out if possible. Maybe we have 3 sections; DVD Rips, DVD Screeners and Video Cpatures or Screencams. Something like that. I never post screeners, only true DVD rips and would want all to be able to first underastand the difference and then be able to view each kind separately.

All this can come to pass, so I agree with the idea of a verified site, just better than the rest. I think if we steal all of the best aspects of each of the existing sites we could have a hum-dinger of a site going in no time.

I look forward to hearing everyone's comments, and YES I am back.

This is some very preliminary format based on combination/mix of above ideas
I left out the pictures themselves ,just the URL (pages would otherwise take too long to load.

Bowling for Columbine
http://us.imdb.com/Title?0310793
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00008DD...01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
codec :XviD (+sound AC3 !!)
screenformat :576 x 304
Availability (>5) (meaning more than 5 sources spotted)

Excalibur
http://us.imdb.com/Title?0082348
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/63055581...01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
codec : DivX 3 Fast-Motion (+sound mp3)
screenformat :632 x 400
Availability (<5) (less than 5)

Eight-legged freaks
edonkeylink
http://us.imdb.com/Title?0271367
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00006JE...01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
codec :XviD (+sound mp3)
availability (>10)

nb: Sharereactor.comsite is very slow now and will be closed march 6th

can&#39;t seem to get last quicklink to appear properly ,tried everything but see no syntaxerror?
@sharedaddy :good to see you again ;)

The way they set it up here, looks quite good and straight-forward. Just look at the individual collections (ed2k only, I&#39;m afraid). :rolleyes:

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Originally posted by jetje@2 March 2003 - 18:35
No the topic can´t be edit by everyone, it will be a mess in no time.

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Why don&#39;t we just make a webpage with all the sigs on it? When a verified has been tested and it works then we can add to the page. The only way you can get to the page though is if you are a member of the forum.

think the big advantage to have it in here is the inter action that the forum can ad to the database.
Like questions about the movies, codecs etc. A website never can have that. B)

Why the big anti dvd screener issue sharedaddy?

For instance... Two towers isnt going to be out till may on dvd, nov for the extended version.

Yet there is a dvd screener out of TT already, which im sure tons of people would love to see before its possible to rip the dvd.

I have no issue with them. I plan on buying Two Towers:extended edition once it comes out, but for now, the screener is perfect for me.

I agree with Schmiggy_JK23 on that, don&#39;t wanna exclude them, but we need to give the right file info on it.
Like DVDRip - DVDScreener....

It is nice for an up to dat database if we have the new releases people are lookin&#39; for in it. Almost everyone is lookin&#39; for quality screeners.

btw ad some examples in the example Database. to keep gettin&#39; inspiration.

I have just thought of an idea.Is there anyway of when these movies have been entered into the database making it that when they start actually downloading in the &#39;artist&#39; tab it shows something like &#39;verified at www.klite.tk&#39;.
This is done with some movies at www.fasttrackmovies.com,if you search for artist under that name you get quite a few.This would be a good way of advertising the site and spreading our films.I know that anyone could just change the artist name but chances are most wont.So what do you think?

Sure we could start with an alphanumerical Indexpage as Jetje suggests
but to keep things managable should each nr. or letter than have its own page?
(would eliminate hellof alot of scrolling)
With the Imdb-&-Amazon-links I think its not necessary to add casts or biographies(yet)
Extras can also be added in the general area and added to by everyone.
Overall we must keep in mind that the ultimate format is to get a database
and not a long list of collections <<those could just be archived?
About the qualityissue I have no idea to approach that ,seems hard to judge
objectively.(does the original ripper do that ,is it a well circulated movie seen and
judged by many? :teehee:

yes good idea letter per topic/page..
as you post an individual movie the data base links can direct to that specific post.
So people can replie on the post of the verified telling about quality or ....
without interfering the database but if people want they can check the topic with the verified for aditional info and questions about that movie. Check the test database to find out... B)

On that page I would opt for the Rambo-entry.
Just thumbnailsized pic and also like addition of genre and
tagline ,summary may be a bit too much (scrolling again)

Just think of Rambo II,III or even worse Rocky I,II,III,IV,V &VI :lol:

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Originally posted by Schmiggy_JK23@3 March 2003 - 03:03
Why the big anti dvd screener issue sharedaddy?

For instance... Two towers isnt going to be out till may on dvd, nov for the extended version.

Yet there is a dvd screener out of TT already, which im sure tons of people would love to see before its possible to rip the dvd.

I have no issue with them.&nbsp; I plan on buying Two Towers:extended edition once it comes out, but for now, the screener is perfect for me.

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I am not anti-screener, just PRO-DVD Rip. People tend to treat them as equals and they are most assuredly not. I have a lot of screeners and rips, however I only post rips, the screeners are normally already posted. I just think they need to be treated separately, 2 sections, RIPS and screeners. If I am trying to find a perfect copy of something I will wait for a DVD rip and I hate downloading a screener that was named DVD-RIP, I mean they are close but to different animals. The main goal of mine would be to inform visitors of the differences and insure they know what they are getting before trying for it. Even if we do not have 2 sections, then we should have TAGS, DVD and Screener tags that would be required on each post. I mean a "for sure" way of insuring anyone looking at it understands what they are looking at.

look i thin this is a great idea and what kind of connection are you lookin=g for i am on t1 and can give pver 5mbs upload whould that be helpful and i got over 250 movies that inclueds dvdv rip and TMD movies + TV seris :huh:

Hi folks wanna show you the account we have for creating the database. It&#39;s the best name we could wish imo.

btw before i forget: BENDER you&#39;re doing a great job on spitting through the verifieds&#33; :lol:


WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE DATABASE USER NAME

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Originally posted by k-lite.tk@3 March 2003 - 21:31
Hi folks wanna show you the account we have for creating the database. It&#39;s the best name we could wish imo.

btw before i forget: BENDER you&#39;re doing a great job on spitting through the verifieds&#33;&nbsp; :lol:


WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE DATABASE USER NAME

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* tilen76 is confused now

This looks exactly like operators speaking through the bot in the #Klchat IRC room. :o


Are you reffering to this:

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k-lite.tk

Newbie

Group: Database Crew
Posts: 0
Member No.: 15977
Joined: 3 March 2003

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If so, it looks nice. :)

So it would be an account with certain powers, that those taking care of the database could use?

yep, the database team gets acces to the (closed) topic, and can use it. Thought had to register the name before someone else did. Think it&#39;s a nice name for the topic that host this boards database... B) If someone has a nice avatar for it :rolleyes:

;) I just found this thread...don&#39;t come in here much.....but what about us MusicWorld people?

FC if this works in here you can start a team in the musicworld to. But i think it will be much more difficult to create it there, much more small files. Different categories.... have no clue yet how to do it right in there... ;)

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Originally posted by jetje@3 March 2003 - 16:35
FC if this works in here you can start a team in the musicworld to. But i think it will be much more difficult to create it there, much more small files. Different categories.... have no clue yet how to do it right in there... ;)

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:) I was just thinking the same thing after I posted,music would be harder.Will have to think about how to do it.....get in touch with infested cats and what not. :)

For the avatar:

If we could find someone with some graphic skills, I suggest we transform the "Twentieth Century" logo
http://www.kinopolis.de/gewinnspiel/img/foxlogo.jpg

Into the K-Lite logo, by puttin the letter K on top and writing under that "K-Lite, database team" or something like that.

This is an example (a bad one though) of how we could do it. (I found that on the net):
http://www.byterapers.scene.org/movi...roductions.jpg

Just an idea.
:)

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Originally posted by Ardor@3 March 2003 - 00:16
The way they set it up here, looks quite good and straight-forward. Just look at the individual collections (ed2k only, I&#39;m afraid). :rolleyes:

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@Ardor: Agreed. Aestethicaly it&#39;s more or less what Tilen_76 suggests. However the main thing is that the base is searchable.

I wouldn&#39;t forget adding subtitles and nice big fat dvd fronts.

And info about movie can simply be GSpot (2.1) readout (check Export option) like:
Video format: %F %J&#092;r&#092;n Audio format: %L %N&#092;r&#092;n Aspect ratio: %H&#092;r&#092;n

Like your idea about the avatar Tilen.
Maybe subject for a contest-gallery?

@Ardor : yes that is some awesome site&#33;

Tilen like the avatar idea, is there any ghrapical artist out there that can make one????
@Ardor, nice site indeed. Don&#39;t think we can use the frames with invision. But sure can use the format in which they made that...

I like the idea posted above, the codec information could be acquired with GSpot. This could spare us from answering all those question about "Why can&#39;t I watch this movie ..." over and over again.

The actual database (list) should be kept as clean as possible, with as little (but still enough) information, where other additonal info would be kept in the Verified post.

I still have this question:
Is the idea to make the database with only the list of movie titles and links to actual verified post or are we going to build the database with all the information.

Beacuse I would prefer the second one:
The first post of a particular letter would contain the list of movie titles (with movie year, quality(rip, screener), no. of discs and probably video codec) which would be links to the single replies posted below. Those single replies would contain all the information about the particular movie then and credit to the poster of the movie of course (movie originally posted by "member&#39;s name" and link to his/her thread). The discussion about the movie (problems, ...) would then be held in the original thread.

If we are going to do it this way, I suggest we set the rules in the Movies/Verified Hashes on how to post a movie, just to save us from all the additional work later (seraching for additional info). I already suggested on how in one of my posts above.

I know there are lots of movies already posted and for those the team would have to search for all that info once the database is going to be build. This will probably going to be the hardest work.
But if each member of the team handles movies beginning with few letters, I think we could acomplish that pretty quick.
The biggest problem would probably be finding codec information, since you actually need to have the movie on your hard drive (or CDr) to do that. But we could ask people who have those movies to do that for us. I only have around 95 movies stored on my HD and CDs, but I know few members of the board who have well over 300 movies.


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I think we got some people who are good at graphics. This is the thread about FuNkY&#39;s room and it seems that the guy who did that got some skills. Why not ask him.
http://www.klboard.ath.cx/bb/index.php?act...=18000&hl=funky

Since board is based on PHP-software developers might want to take a look at
this link :
phpmyadmin

(open source software for databases )

I imidiately have to admit that this is not my area of expertise. :(

In example pages you see how fields can be set up;
I think that could come handy for posting (required fields / extra info / viewercomments)

Looks interesting but i&#39;m not familiar with that to, i even don&#39;t know if this board can handle this well.
Maybe that&#39;s something for the future 1st i like to organize the data. But just in case someone says i can make a real database using php software, don&#39;t hasitate to do so. B)

I have a question regarding the board features.
It would we fantastic if we could have a strip of links for each letter under all Movieworld categories on top, saying something like:

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"K-Lite movie database"
# A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z

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Where each leter would be a link to its own thread posted somewhere in the Verifieds in a Can.
The threads would be locked of course, only accesible to the Database crew.

Is that possible? Can you discuss that with Paul jetje?
Because I don&#39;t think that 27 (for each letter) pinned topics would look nice.

Now regarding the database itself. I have posted a test thread under Verified hashes, to give you an example of my idea. It&#39;s posted here:
http://www.klboard.ath.cx/bb/index.php?act...ST&f=16&t=19383

1. The first topic in each thread (for each letter) would be a list of movies:
- Movie title would be a Sig2Dat quicklink. If the movie has two discs, the Sig2Dats can be merged as one link, without affecting the actual HASH. I will post a guide on how to do that too later. We would have to rename the bits between <a href=...> and </a> into "Movie title (year)". This way the list wont be confusing and movies would be easy to spot.
- next to a link would be few extra bits of info: quality (DVDrip, DVDscreener, ...), no. of discs and perhaps video codec
- in front of the movie title (link) would be a picture http://galleries.vinyamar.com/ps/sho...Xnq5b&ext=.gif being a link to the reply about the movie containing all additional info. I believe urls to single replys are possible?

2. Each movie would then have its own reply with all the extra info:
- Amazon picture
- Plot outline (copied from IMDb or written by original poster of the movie)
- perhaps IMDb movie rating (evethough I personally don&#39;t think they are reliable)
- IMDb link
- Hybrid Sig2Dat
- codec, aspect ratio and bitrate info (exported from GSpot in a standardized form)
- link to orginal post in the Verified hashes with credit to original poster
- ed2k quicklinks if avaliable
- and maybe a picture from VCDquality.com (if they don&#39;t mind)

You can only post 10 pictures on 1 reply and when there will be more than 10 movies beginning with the same letter this could be a problem. If we can set the number of pictures to "unlimited" for the database or we will have to put down just a text link to the movie details. Jetje, can you discuss that with Paul too?

This is my idea of how this database should look like.
Now I want to hear critics, suggestions, corrections and your ideas.

You can look at how my idea looks at this test thread:
http://www.klboard.ath.cx/bb/index.php?act...ST&f=16&t=19383

@jetje: you mean like sig2dats site ? Haven&#39;t had a look over at how far they&#39;ve come, but it looked nice last time. There were some talk back then here and here

phpmyadmin is a really nice web-ui for db maintenance and so on, I use it for maintenance of all databases at my old school (as well as for my home-linux). But it&#39;s not really anything to use for designing and setting up databases. If you want to do that I suggest you take a look at DeZign for databses. With it you can design the database on the fly and generate the text-statements and import them into your. f.ex mysql database, to create the database structure. I haven&#39;t checked on the newer version but I don&#39;t think it has gotten worse =) You can download a trial from here http://www.datanamic.com/download/download_dezign.html to check it out.

Don&#39;t mind the ed2k links in the test database I posted. I haven&#39;t noticed the error before I asked jetje to close the topic.

Consider it as non working database for the moment, but you do get the idea though.
;)

- test -
B)

@danne: We would like to create a database that would be part of the forum. We are not actually building a separate database, but one that would be integrated into the forum.

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Originally posted by k-lite.tk@5 March 2003 - 14:02
@danne: We would like to create a database that would be part of the forum. We are not actually building a separate database, but one that would be integrated into the forum.

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I know that, but that was a q regarding what jetje said =)

think k-lite said it :zorro: , but yes. Build a kinda database inside this forum, we&#39;re the source you know. All our members know the releases 1st. Post nice and after a few weeks no one sees them and there is someone who post the same again. Think this will help. Also you can ask info about them in here so it will be a big One Stop Shop. B) gonna check `that Dezign thing, looks nice :rolleyes:

btw any contributions, ideas and comments will be apreciated B) So thnx Danne

@Tilen, looks nice. I asked Paul for your questions. But no reply yet.

What i was thinkin is 2 seperate posts, One with the list and one with the info in it. Think it&#39;s easier to handle that way.

The other thing is if we use this we have to put in every contribution ourselfs. If we put up a standard. Other people can choose of posting in that standard and sent us a pm, to point out there post, we check if it&#39;s acoording our "standards" and just ad the link of the post....

Love the http://galleries.vinyamar.com/ps/sho...Xnq5b&ext=.gif, is nice.. B)

The easiest way would be this:

- One (pinned) topic for each letter. The first post should explain how posts should be added to the topic. Also a warning about not repying to the topic.

- Forum members can add verifieds to the topics.

- Useless post will get deleted by the mods.

thnx B)

How about adding links for the movies&#39; covers? :huh:
Each movie would have links for the VCD and DVD covers as well as CD labels. ;)
CDCovers.cc would be a good one to link to. B)

:P So who is the team?I need to know so I can make some comics. :P

I figure a nice 10 part series with the database team from MovieWorld against the Database team from MusicWorld going at it will be nice. :pirate: :devil: :w00t:

Maybe have Software World watching from their Planet in the distance. :blink:


And yes jetje you are still going to be black with large breast. :D