Saving Private Ryan

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Originally Posted by ruthie

do you believe a viewer lacks the ability to change the channel?

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Read the other post.

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Originally Posted by hobbes

There are "feel good movies" as well. Somedays reality needs to be swept to the back corner for a little pick-me-up. Families know everyday, the stress of having a child overseas.

Are you really not getting this?

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Saving Private Ryan is not aired everyday, and no one is forced to watch it... are you not getting that?

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Originally Posted by scroff

I happen to agree with you about the reasons for not airing the movie being political, but I don't agree that business had anything to do with it.

The Reagan movie wasn't shelved because any "test audience" found it offensive, it was shelved because there was intense backlash from the Republican National Committee and others.

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How are you so sure?

I imagine that the RNC could have blocked financing of the movie. I heard specifically that the test audience was offended.

Really, whose mind would have be changed. The decision was financial.

Oh, I understand what you write...i just don't see it the way you do. Again...should we cancel Veterans Day because we are in a war? make a temporary law that no war movie be seen because it is war time?
Yes, somedays, people want feel-good movies...then don't pick ABC tonight for your viewing choice..simple as that.
Do you think any Veterans might be offended by this whole thing? I'm sure Veterans feel both ways about this.

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Originally Posted by scroff

Saving Private Ryan is not aired everyday, and no one is forced to watch it... are you not getting that?

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No, the network decided it was not a good choice given the current situation. Why else would it have been aired twice before.

Got it yet?

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Originally Posted by hobbes

And scroffsey, you want "faith in the American viewer".

1) Faith is a religious word, it means belief without proof. So you must be referring to our Christian viewers.

2) The same viewers that voted for Bush.

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Faith isn't a religious word. People can have faith in anything, faith is a level of confidence, you can have faith that your car will start... I'm really surprised that I have to tell you this.

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So you think the American viewer is up to snuff on the appropriate movie selection, but you lambast the same for his choice in President.

Man, you are so lost.

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I would think the choice of what to watch on a Thursday night isn't nearly as difficult as choosing a president. If someone thinks the two are comparable, well...

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Originally Posted by ruthie

Don't read what isn't there. A hate so big? What is it you think Scroff, or I for that matter, hate? No compassion for fellow americans? that's out of left field.

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I disagree. For one instance, all of your ridicule for people that believe in God, or as you call them, the moral majority. How will this ridicule help? It didn't help in the election, believe me. A lot of people believe in God in the US. Have you given a thought to try to reach these people by telling them that they can be moral, such as using a frozen embroyo to save the life of a nine year old child with diabetes? No, you attack them and call them all ignorant, attack their president, who believes in God. How do you think you can change people to your viewpoint? You have already expressed your hate for the people who voted for Bush, without considering they could be really intelligent people that based this viewpoint on their concerns about the type of President Kerry would make. I feel this same way about the far right conservatives that have damaged their party more than they want to admit.

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Originally Posted by ruthie

Oh, I understand what you write...i just don't see it the way you do. Again...should we cancel Veterans Day because we are in a war? make a temporary law that no war movie be seen because it is war time?
Yes, somedays, people want feel-good movies...then don't pick ABC tonight for your viewing choice..simple as that.
Do you think any Veterans might be offended by this whole thing? I'm sure Veterans feel both ways about this.

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Christ, why would a network play a movie that it thought would flop? That is the point. They didn't air it because you would change the channel. Or more appropriately, they thought you would.

If CBS aired hardcore porn, would you say, change the channel. No you would sue the station. Just like you would sue the school that spanks kids in gym class.

You don't even see your inconsistensies when they don't fit your agenda.

I have a pretty long response for you Everose..it will have to wait til we return. My father-in-law needs us to go help him.

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Originally Posted by scroff

Faith isn't a religious word. People can have faith in anything, faith is a level of confidence, you can have faith that your car will start... I'm really surprised that I have to tell you this.


I would think the choice of what to watch on a Thursday night isn't nearly as difficult as choosing a president. If someone thinks the two are comparable, well...

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Actually, you are confusing "confidence" with "faith".

Confidence is based on prior experience, your car started yesterday and 365 days before that.

Faith is belief without knowledge. "firm belief in something for which there is no proof" - Merriam-Webster.

Please don't show your ignorance so glaringly. That is just embarassing.

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Originally Posted by hobbes

If CBS aired hardcore porn, would you say, change the channel. No you would sue the station. Just like you would sue the school that spanks kids in gym class.

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I think I already said if the networks aired hard core porn it would be fine by me. I'd say the same thing, change the channel. Spanking kids is not even in the same catagory.

Awesome! Saving Private Ryan starts in an hour here.

Thanks for starting this thread Ruthie. :)

EDIT: It'd better show it, according to Yahoo! TV it will... :unsure:

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Originally Posted by scroff

I think I already said if the networks aired hard core porn it would be fine by me. I'd say the same thing, change the channel. Spanking kids is not even in the same catagory.

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You don't even know what you are talking about, it was mock spanking kids. It was done with a foam rubber paddle. It was fun, the birthday boy got to be a celebrity for the day. No one was hurt. Ruthie knew all this and STILL wanted to sue the school board, just because 1 kid might have had a bad home experience.

Cuckoo!

And why don't networks air hardcore porn. Public opinion and obviously the economic backlash.

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Originally Posted by hobbes

No, the network decided it was not a good choice given the current situation. Why else would it have been aired twice before.

Got it yet?

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Well, first it was out of some kind of compassion for parents with children in Iraq, now it's a business decision. I get it, it's good business not to offend parents with children in Iraq.

Many networks have aired it, I'm watching it right now, so I guess we'll just have to see if those networks lose any money. John McCain decided airing it was good enough and introduced the movie, so maybe that'll help the ratings. Time will tell...

In the meantime, change the channel...

Private Ryan was shelved tonight because of the current situation in Fallujah. No need for anything more complicated to understand this.

People who have political agendas may want to paint another picture, but this is simply a case of placing their agenda over common sense.

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Originally Posted by ruthie

Don't read what isn't there. A hate so big? What is it you think Scroff, or I for that matter, hate? No compassion for fellow americans? that's out of left field.

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I disagree. For one instance, all of your ridicule for people that believe in God, or as you call them, the moral majority. How will this ridicule help? It didn't help in the election, believe me. A lot of people believe in God in the US. Have you given a thought to try to reach these people by telling them that they can be moral, such as using a frozen embroyo to save the life of a nine year old child with diabetes? No, you attack them and call them all ignorant, attack their president, who believes in God. How do you think you can change people to your viewpoint? You have already expressed your hate for the people who voted for Bush, without considering they could be really intelligent people that based this viewpoint on their concerns about the type of President Kerry would make. I feel this same way about the far right conservatives that have damaged their party more than they want to admit.

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father-in-law called back..he found the cat.
I do not ridicule people for their belief in god...never had, as I believe religion/spirituality is a personal thing. The moral majority is up for grabs. They expect a country to live by their moral code, and to that, I say bullshit.
doesn't make me immoral or amoral, does it? We all have our own ethics and value system. I believe they want to control people and the decisions/freedoms they have or want. Everyone has the right to pick and choose, but no one has the right to dictate their personal belief system to another. Actually, I have a friend who voted for Bush..one of my sisters did too...don't hate them at all.
Stem cell research? Discussed it with my sister actually. LOL

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Originally Posted by hobbes

If CBS aired hardcore porn, would you say, change the channel. No you would sue the station. Just like you would sue the school that spanks kids in gym class.

You don't even see your inconsistensies when they don't fit your agenda.

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I believe your discussion of porn was with Scroff. Yup, I'd sue a school..however that started from the thread that went from karate to spanking. Perhaps you should reread why I would sue a school.

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Originally Posted by hobbes

You don't even know what you are talking about, it was mock spanking kids. It was done with a foam rubber paddle. It was fun, the birthday boy got to be a celebrity for the day. No one was hurt. Ruthie knew all this and STILL wanted to sue the school board, just because 1 kid might have had a bad home experience.

Cuckoo!

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Awww, some kid might have had a bad home experience...what are you saying..it must have sucked to be that kid, but tough shit? Get a grip. Yup...I wouldn't have gone for my kid being hit with shit...you might have thought it was funny, I am sure there were some kids embarrassed, humiliated, or triggered.

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Originally Posted by scroff

Well, first it was out of some kind of compassion for parents with children in Iraq, now it's a business decision. I get it, it's good business not to offend parents with children in Iraq.

Many networks have aired it, I'm watching it right now, so I guess we'll just have to see if those networks lose any money. John McCain decided airing it was good enough and introduced the movie, so maybe that'll help the ratings. Time will tell...

In the meantime, change the channel...

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So, if it aired, what is the issue.

Some stations may have felt differently based on their viewers. Did you see how the PresidentiaL voting broke down, state by state?

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Originally Posted by Rip The Jacker

Awesome! Saving Private Ryan starts in an hour here.

Thanks for starting this thread Ruthie. :)

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welcome :D

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Originally Posted by hobbes

You don't even know what you are talking about, it was mock spanking kids. It was done with a foam rubber paddle. It was fun, the birthday boy got to be a celebrity for the day. No one was hurt. Ruthie knew all this and STILL wanted to sue the school board, just because 1 kid might have had a bad home experience.

Cuckoo!

And why don't networks air hardcore porn. Public opinion and obviously the economic backlash.

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I know what I'm talking about. I'm replying to your post about spanking kids, if it's mock spanking say it's mock spanking.

You asked if I would say "Change the channel if CBS aired hard core porn", I told you I would, what does public opinion havew to so with this?

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Originally Posted by hobbes

So, if it aired, what is the issue.

Some stations may have felt differently based on their viewers. Did you see how the PresidentiaL voting broke down, state by state?

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What are you inferring here Hobbes?

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Awww, some kid might have had a bad home experience...what are you saying..it must have sucked to be that kid, but tough shit? Get a grip. Yup...I wouldn't have gone for my kid being hit with shit...you might have thought it was funny, I am sure there were some kids embarrassed, humiliated, or triggered.

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The children all had a chance to refuse. Not just in words, but in reaction. No kid who was not laughing or smiling was dragged crying for spanking.

As for the karate thing, that was just pathetic. Nobody was teaching violence, just the opposite.

Cuckoo.

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Originally Posted by hobbes

Private Ryan was shelved tonight because of the current situation in Fallujah. No need for anything more complicated to understand this.

People who have political agendas may want to paint another picture, but this is simply a case of placing their agenda over common sense.

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Riiight, fall back to the old agenda bit...

it's common sense to say that people can change the channel... isn't it interesting how networks can use the FCC as their excuse to pull certain movies now...

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Originally Posted by hobbes

Private Ryan was shelved tonight because of the current situation in Fallujah. No need for anything more complicated to understand this.

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Exactly. and....that is a bullshit reason.

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Originally Posted by scroff

Riiight, fall back to the old agenda bit...

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Awesome, what is my agenda?

This is sweet!

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Originally Posted by ruthie

Exactly. and....that is a bullshit reason.

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Your opinion, nothing more. Then again you are not losing any money.

Anyway, aren't you moving away from the US, or is money more important than principle.

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Originally Posted by hobbes

The children all had a chance to refuse. Not just in words, but in reaction. No kid who was not laughing or smiling was dragged crying for spanking.

As for the karate thing, that was just pathetic. Nobody was teaching violence, just the opposite.

Cuckoo.

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Yup...without parental permission. Ties in with "the kids shouldn"t see the movie"
Well, I knew what my kids were watching...I was involved with my children. If I felt it was inappropriate..guess what...the channel was changed.

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Originally Posted by hobbes

Awesome, what is my agenda?

This is sweet!

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Don't read what ain't there, Hobbes....

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Originally Posted by scroff

Don't read what ain't there, Hobbes....

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If the shoe fits.....

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Originally Posted by hobbes

Anyway, aren't you moving away from the US, or is money more important than principle.

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Not real sure what this has to do with the airing of Saving Private Ryan tonight...

They are airing the movie right now on ABC with warnings about graphics, and language used. I am not changing the channel, I am watching it.

But there are a lot of kids out there whose mother is working to help support them while Daddy is off to war. I do worry about them watching it.

It is a pretty good World War II movie, based on a true story. Not very many of our soldiers were happy to be involved in that war either. A large portion of them had joined the National Guard, or Ready Reserves because it paid them a dollar a day to go on maneuvers and beat the fifty cents farmers paid for a day of hard labour.

imho your original post was to attack the FCC for not letting this air for policital reasons.................but maybe I am so used to your posts, I just assumed. Give us the credit to have brains in our heads, please.

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Originally Posted by scroff

Not real sure what this has to do with the airing of Saving Private Ryan tonight...

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You don't like America and it's censorship, you are moving away.

Ruthie said if she had the money she would. Guess she wants money more than truth and freedom abroad.

What about "faith" did you forget that already?

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Originally Posted by hobbes

If the shoe fits.....

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ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm rubber and you're glue....

This has gone straight down the tubes. RF will have his work cut out for him when he comes on....

Go ahead Hobbes, you get the last word...

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Originally Posted by scroff

ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm rubber and you're glue....

This has gone straight down the tubes. RF will have his work cut out for him when he comes on....

Go ahead Hobbes, you get the last word...

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PSOTFL (Pick Scroff of the floor, laughing). I'm jealous that you and Ruthie are the only ones rolling about, doing the laughing thing.

What is the point of this thread?

If is about censorship, I logically explained why it was not.

Yes, i thought it was due to political reasons...then everyone jumped on the sensitivity train, coming up with reasons why it shouldn't be shown. I disagree... I think it was fine to air it. It is VETERANS DAY.

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Originally Posted by ruthie

Yes, i thought it was due to political reasons...then everyone jumped on the sensitivity train, coming up with reasons why it shouldn't be shown. I disagree... I think it was fine to air it. It is VETERANS DAY.

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Ruthie,

You are the engineer of the sensitivity train.

You might think of others before yourself.

Anyway, it was about money, not censorship.

Anyway, ABC has it on here in TEXAS. Christ, I'm going to vomit, that camera vibration is really hard on my stomach!

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Originally Posted by hobbes

Ruthie,

You are the engineer of the sensitivity train.

You might think of others before yourself.

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I thought you said this was about business? Is it business or sensitivity? Or censorship?

If people don't want to see it they should change the channel. The bottom line is that networks aren't airing it and using the FCC as their excuse... no one is saying it was a decision out of any sensitivity for parents with kids in Iraq. More likely it's because of fear of losing "support" for a nasty war with tenuous support as it is.

I do think of others, I agree with Scroff that the average American has the ability to decide for themselves.

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Originally Posted by ruthie

I thought you said this was about business? Is it business or sensitivity? Or censorship?

If people don't want to see it they should change the channel. The bottom line is that networks aren't airing it and using the FCC as their excuse... no one is saying it was a decision out of any sensitivity for parents with kids in Iraq. More likely it's because of fear of losing "support" for a nasty war with tenuous support as it is.

I do think of others, I agree with Scroff that the average American has the ability to decide for themselves.

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I have stated if was a business decision by some stations based on the current situation in Iraq. How many times do I need to type this?

You agree with Scroff, revolutionary.

Did you notice that it is airing in Texas, home of GWB? Try again.

When are you moving? Money over ideals, I would say.

What does that have to do with anything?

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Originally Posted by ruthie

What does that have to do with anything?

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George Bush is from Texas, sweetie. It is aired in his home state.