will the usa go into iran

I, for one, am NOT GUILTY

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Originally Posted by cpt_azad

bravo. although your statement is pretty weak, i'd have to agree on some very low level with you. honestly, saddam had more control in Iraq then your puppet gov't ever will, not control as in suppression, but freedom yes freedom. what is democracy? where people choose the gov't and have their say. well, call it dictatorship or not, i'd rather be under saddam's power than george's anyday. for cryin out loud, they had the basic necessities when mr. hussain was in power. oh well, no point in crying over spilt milk right? oh wait, 9/11 riiiiiite, that's how this whole Iraq thing started (w/ a little help from non-existant WMDs). for shame America, for shame. There is no hiding it, when the war was announced everyone in America was in on it, or agreeing with it, so you are all guilty, not just the Bush admin.

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My puppet Government has no conrol over Iraq..

Im in the 51st State.... :(

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Originally Posted by ruthie

I, for one, am NOT GUILTY

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Ruthie,

I think in his less polemical moments the good Captain knows that.

He does do a cracking rant though! :lol:

If one were to be extremely Calvinistic for a moment, we are all guilty. :ph34r: *shiver* John Knox tapped on the window.

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Originally Posted by Strangelove

Im not a sir :P

And, if you believe any civilised country that doesnt have Universal Health Care gives a stuff about their citizens, then its YOU that are living n the land of Oz.

Hussain attacked his enemies only... so i assume that means ALL the poor are the enemy of the American Administration.

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Really? Then I have two words for you my friend MASS GRAVES!

And if you really think that free health care is as great as it sounds just look at Canada for an example.

Unfortunately, the graves are not filling a whole lot slower since we went there either.

Edit: I thought the US drug companies were lobbying like crazy to stop Americans going to Canada to buy medicine - or did I dream that somewhere?

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Originally Posted by Biggles

Ruthie,

I think in his less polemical moments the good Captain knows that.

He does do a cracking rant though! :lol:

If one were to be extremely Calvinistic for a moment, we are all guilty. :ph34r: *shiver* John Knox tapped on the window.

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Yeah, I know..I'm fond of Captain..we think quite alike. He cracks me up.

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Originally Posted by BigBank_Hank

And if you really think that free health care is as great as it sounds just look at Canada for an example.

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Using data from the National Center for Health Statistics and the World Health Organization, child injury death rates in the US were compared to those of Canada, England and Wales, France, Netherlands, and Norway. Except for the 1981 Canadian figure, overall US childhood injury mortality was greater than childhood injury mortality rates of all countries studied during each year. Injury mortality steadily declined in most other countries, whereas the US rate appears to be increasing.

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Yeah Yeah, i think i'd prefer bring my kids up in Canada than the US... they have a greater chance of survival...

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Originally Posted by Biggles

Unfortunately, the graves are not filling a whole lot slower since we went there either.

Edit: I thought the US drug companies were lobbying like crazy to stop Americans going to Canada to buy medicine - or did I dream that somewhere?

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Actualy, a bunch of women, children, and elderly were just "put" into a mass grave in Fallujah...burnt beyond recognition..napalm.

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Originally Posted by BigBank_Hank

Really? Then I have two words for you my friend MASS GRAVES!

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See ruthies post above

Numerous graves were uncovered when we first got there.

I saw Ruthie’s post. I also noticed that she stayed quite when collation and Iraqi forces found slaughterhouses in Fallujah; Its where insurgents were holding civilian hostages and killing them.

They werent Coalition, they were American and Iraqi forces...

Shame you havent mentioned anything about how no males aged between 15-55 were allowed to leave before the attack... and that certain commanders told their troops to shoot people before accepting surrender (in case they were booby trapped)... thats the same as saying "Shoot ALL males between 15-55 in the city"...

How can they tell which of the dead are insurgents? They werent wearing uniforms... yeah, right....

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Originally Posted by BigBank_Hank

Numerous graves were uncovered when we first got there.

I saw Ruthie’s post. I also noticed that she stayed quite when collation and Iraqi forces found slaughterhouses in Fallujah; Its where insurgents were holding civilian hostages and killing them.

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are you telling me you were suprised that "slaughter houses" were found ?... it's not like they tried to hide them. I mean they took video of the killings and put it on general release.
Gosh they must be worried now the secret is out.:unsure:

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Originally Posted by BigBank_Hank

Numerous graves were uncovered when we first got there.

I saw Ruthie’s post. I also noticed that she stayed quite when collation and Iraqi forces found slaughterhouses in Fallujah; Its where insurgents were holding civilian hostages and killing them.

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Aw, Hank..you ought to know better by now..I don't hestitate to express myself. did you ask me about my thoughts on that particular topic? No, you did not. ROFL.
Yes, graves were uncovered..now we are making new ones, and covering them ourselves..aren't we nice? Of course places of hostage holding ans execution have been found..they do exist, unlike the WMD's.
Perhaps you are dismayed that Nick Berg's father is anti-war...we've heard him speak, been at rallies with him, watched him get arrested, and took pics while he was getting arrested. yes, they found where some of these events happened. They didn't have to look as hard to find the torture prison though, did they.

Saddam was an evil man and killed a lot of people - particularly in his wars against Iran, the Kurds and the Marsh Arabs. If the Iraqi strategy was going to be successful we had to bring stability and peace quickly - we have not. A lot of innocent civilians have died as a result of this war. A lot of innocents have also died due to the looting of hospitals and destruction of sanitation facilities. The infant mortality rate in Iraq is awful. There are a lot of Iraqis who hated Saddam who now have little regard for us also - they were there for the winning over when we went in. The troubles of the Iraqi people have not lessened since Saddam fell 20 months ago they are simply different.

To return to the topic, it is experiences like this that will determine whether attempting something like Iran is practical. For starters I can't see an Iraqi government agreeing to another war with Iran from its territory.

Yes, but an Iraqi government will have no choice..the gov't will be Bush's bitch.

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Originally Posted by ruthie

Yes, but an Iraqi government will have no choice..the gov't will be Bush's bitch.

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Perhaps, but the Iraqi opinion polls do not currently favour pro US candidates.

I suppose it depends whether it is one man one vote on a bit of paper or those new fangled computer jobs. :ohmy:

It will be...


Bush is the man, and he'll cast the vote....

....a little like the US elections really :whistling

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Originally Posted by cpt_azad

bravo. although your statement is pretty weak, i'd have to agree on some very low level with you. honestly, saddam had more control in Iraq then your puppet gov't ever will, not control as in suppression, but freedom yes freedom. what is democracy? where people choose the gov't and have their say. well, call it dictatorship or not, i'd rather be under saddam's power than george's anyday. for cryin out loud, they had the basic necessities when mr. hussain was in power. oh well, no point in crying over spilt milk right? oh wait, 9/11 riiiiiite, that's how this whole Iraq thing started (w/ a little help from non-existant WMDs). for shame America, for shame. There is no hiding it, when the war was announced everyone in America was in on it, or agreeing with it, so you are all guilty, not just the Bush admin.

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Typical terrorist thinking. :dry:

the mass graves that were found at first were from the iran-iraq war

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Originally Posted by Busyman

Typical terrorist thinking. :dry:

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for a start how many terrorists do you know? 2, i agree with azad, if you did what you were told under saddam you lived a relatively good life. there was no slave labour or random attacks on people. the only atrocity i know of against innocent people was revenge for when some of them tried to rise up.

now living as an iraqi you have no running water, no electricity, troops coming into your house breaking islamic law and turning the place upside down. to top it off you can get killed either by accident or for looking funny

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Originally Posted by TheDave

for a start how many terrorists do you know? 2, i agree with azad, if you did what you were told under saddam you lived a relatively good life. there was no slave labour or random attacks on people. the only atrocity i know of against innocent people was revenge for when some of them tried to rise up.

now living as an iraqi you have no running water, no electricity, troops coming into your house breaking islamic law and turning the place upside down. to top it off you can get killed either by accident or for looking funny

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You obviously are not American with that, "Do what your told and you'll be OK" crap. :shit:

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Originally Posted by bullshittalker cpt_azad

for shame America, for shame. There is no hiding it, when the war was announced everyone in America was in on it, or agreeing with it, so you are all guilty, not just the Bush admin.

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As I said, typical terrorist thinking.....

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Originally Posted by Busyman

You obviously are not American with that, "Do what your told and you'll be OK" crap. :shit:

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obviously not american. for non-americans can see the irony of your post

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Originally Posted by TheDave

obviously not american. for non-americans can see the irony of your post

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I figured as much, for I see the irony in your thinking.

We'd still be under Great Britain with that rationale. :dry:

From the UK by any chance?

I would like to know just exactly how that is "typical terrorist thinking"... i've read it over and over, i see disagreement with American foriegn policy...but "terrorist thinking" ??

yes, england happens to be in the united kingdom. dont worry the rest of europe is also laughing.

the difference is in iraq saddam said "do what we say or i'll kill you", in america "do what we say or bin laden will kill you" or "not doing what we say is unpatriotic, asking why means you're a traitor".

at least with saddam the threat was real

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Originally Posted by vidcc

I would like to know just exactly how that is "typical terrorist thinking"... i've read it over and over, i see disagreement with American foriegn policy...but "terrorist thinking" ??

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check my last example:unsure:

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Originally Posted by TheDave

the difference is in iraq saddam said "do what we say or i'll kill you", in america "do what we say or bin laden will kill you" or "not doing what we say is unpatriotic, asking why means you're a traitor".

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Or you'll get accused of "typical terrorist thinking"...

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Originally Posted by TheDave

check my last example:unsure:

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he was saying it to azed

i know but i think busyman is in denial but doesn't want to be unpatriotic. so he denounces anything opposing "america" as terrorist thinking. i gotta say azad's a bit h4r5h, it's not their fault they're brainwashed

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Originally Posted by vidcc

I would like to know just exactly how that is "typical terrorist thinking"... i've read it over and over, i see disagreement with American foriegn policy...but "terrorist thinking" ??

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RIF. Does everything have to be spelled out?

Here's a do over for the RInotF folks...

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Originally Posted by bullshittalker cpt_azad

so you are all guilty, not just the Bush admin.

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Read it over and over and over.....

Come back when you need more :helpsmili .

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Originally Posted by TheDave

i know but i think busyman is in denial but doesn't want to be unpatriotic. so he denounces anything opposing "america" as terrorist thinking. i gotta say azad's a bit h4r5h, it's not their fault they're brainwashed

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Wow that was some bullshit spin.

You obviously haven't seen my posts with this denial, unpatriotic :shit:...not that I care anyway. :dry:

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Originally Posted by Busyman

RIF. Does everything have to be spelled out?

Here's a do over for the RInotF folks...



Read it over and over and over.....

Come back when you need more :helpsmili .

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I dunno. You could try posting the whole sentence so it's in context.

Editing people's posts to fit your own agenda is just silly...

most americans supported the war, doesn't that make them guilty of supporting an unjust war?

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Originally Posted by Withcheese

I dunno. You could try posting the whole sentence so it's in context.

Editing people's posts to fit your own agenda is just silly...

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Hmmm the first time it was the whole post. Then it was crunched further and further for the RInotF folks.

So it was in context before and actually is still in context.

Pretty straightforward. :unsure:

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Originally Posted by TheDave

most americans supported the war, doesn't that make them guilty of supporting an unjust war?

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Read said post again, then comeback...it's not hard..just try it.

Say the words aloud if it helps...then comeback if you need :helpsmili .

Stop reading bullshit polls as well.

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Originally Posted by Biggles

Number 4

Iran is 4 times larger than Iraq and has a population of over 60 million. The terrain and climate are awful and they have far more military equipment than Iraq had by the time of the invasion. The US could not contain Iraq and meet other commitments without drafting - which I believe is off the cards, non?

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Damnit I was gonna say that. :angry:

But really, the US aint got the manpower or the resources to invade another peaceful country. We dont have nearly enough troops in Iraq and they are being killed left and right. Afganstain is a complete mess. Now Iran? Well they do got alot of oil (prime motivation of course) but the people of Iran wont let America rule their country. Again. ;) At least I dont think so. :no:

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Originally Posted by Arm

Damnit I was gonna say that. :angry:

But really, the US aint got the manpower or the resources to invade another peaceful country. We dont have nearly enough troops in Iraq and they are being killed left and right. Afganstain is a complete mess. Now Iran? Well they do got alot of oil (prime motivation of course) but the people of Iran wont let America rule their country. Again. ;) At least I dont think so. :no:

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Totally agree.

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Originally Posted by Busyman

Read said post again, then comeback...it's not hard..just try it.

Say the words aloud if it helps...then comeback if you need :helpsmili .

Stop reading bullshit polls as well.

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i'm reading it. are you getting at the fact he says "all"?

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Originally Posted by Busyman

Hmmm the first time it was the whole post. Then it was crunched further and further for the RInotF folks.

So it was in context before and actually is still in context.

Pretty straightforward. :unsure:

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Anyone can just quote someone (fully or edited) and make a random statement.

You still haven't actually explained what you mean. Can you? It's okay if you can't.

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Originally Posted by TheDave

i'm reading it. are you getting at the fact he says "all"?

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We have a winner. :clap: