Microsoft Plans Restrictions on Fixes

I really don’t think there is much to worry about; I have used Windows XP-Home Addition and Professional, and I think I have done the windows update maybe once in about 2 years ago. And have never had a problem. Off course I have a firewall and Norton’s Antivirus,
On the other hand, I don’t think paying $150-$200 is too much to pay for an Operating system that I use everyday for hours at a time. What would this world be like if not for Bill Gates/MS. Yes he is filthy rich, but who can fault him for that, I just wish it was me :lol: . Bill Gates and all the Windows code writers deserve to get paid for the work they have done.
If you don’t want to pay for Windows XP, than don’t, use a pirated version, I’m sure you can find the updates on some 3rd party web site or maybe on some file sharing network.

But don’t wine and complain about Microsoft cracking down on there software, we all knew it was coming sooner or later. EITHER PAY OR FIND ANOTHER WAY.

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Lazar said piracy has cost the Redmond-based company "billions of dollars over the past 10 years," but he would not be more specific.

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It hasn't really cost them anything, unless you count the so far ineffective anti-piracy measures they've implemented to stop the pirates. All that has happened is that they've made less money.

And come to think of it, it might actually be that users using pirated copies can't afford it, which will mean that a lot of ppl will be forced to look for an alternative, rather than pay ms.

They really don't care about the users at home anyway, their big source of income is the companies they cater to. And if it hadn't been for half the companies in places like china using pirated windows versions ms might not have bothered.

If it ever comes to ms trying to squeeze a monthly subscription fee out of everyone who is using windows, I hope there'll finally be some major protests, 'cos for them to be selling an OS full of bugs and holes, and then charging people, every month, to fix it, is just insane.

I've spent ages fixing busted installs, legal installs I might add, of win95, win98, Me and XP for relatives, friends, and even myself. And I gotta say that it sometimes feels as if we are paying ms for the opportunity to try and fix whatever mess they've come up with next.

I hope they gaming industry will see this for the problem it might become and start adding linux compatibility to future releases so we can leave this godforsaken OS behind. Linux might not be perfect, but I'll be damned if the distros I've tried haven't been more stable from the get go, while at the same time being free or costing me a fraction of the price of an original MS disc.

It has cost microsoft money think of all the bandwidth it takes to give the updates to pirates.
Its cost them lots in lost sales. The problem is people are so used to using windows that they often refuse to use anything else. At uni i have meet other computing students who flat out refuse to use linux because its too difficult or complicated. these people are meant to be learning and should have a good understanding of computers but cant be arsed to learn how to use a new os from scratch.

face it a massive amount of people if forced to either pay for windows or get linux for free would still choose windows.

oh yeah m$ just posted record earning due to increased server sales. they have total sales for the first quater at $10 billion.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...crosoft28.html

Yeah, but lost sales aren't really a cost, it's just less profits, which isn't the same thing. You could in fact say that they make money by having windows available for free for private citizens, since ppl are more likely to be able to use it effectively at the workplace, if they use it at home. Which also will mean that they'll suggest buying windows if they have any say when it's time for the company to upgrade.

You do have a point about the bandwidth, but I'm not sure how big a hit it actually is, especially since they actually gain something by updating even pirated systems, since it means less risk of ddosing to their servers.

It's at the companies the real profits are made anyway, like I said. And using some bandwidth to prevent zombification should be considered an acceptable cost. Even if some of the systems being plugged aren't paid for.

EDit: Linux hard? http://moderation.invisionzone.com/s...fault/dabs.gif when it comes to advanced settings and stuff sure, but something like suse or mandrake is easy to use as long as you confine yourself to installing and running precompiled software, of which there is plenty.

I believe as someone stated earlier regarding XP Corporate versions: they are volume licensed by default. Odds are likely that they contain serial ID coding to enable it so that an unlimited number of copies can be produced and installed. So I am doubting that Microsoft will be able to do much to combat those pirated corp versions. The licenses they sell, allows administrators to produce those copies off the company master for their own use.

Why not simply become more stringent against the use of pirated activation keys instead?

That nice to hear about VLK/Corp XP Izagaia. Hope it's true.

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Originally Posted by Izagaia

I believe as someone stated earlier regarding XP Corporate versions: they are volume licensed by default. Odds are likely that they contain serial ID coding to enable it so that an unlimited number of copies can be produced and installed. So I am doubting that Microsoft will be able to do much to combat those pirated corp versions. The licenses they sell, allows administrators to produce those copies off the company master for their own use.

Why not simply become more stringent against the use of pirated activation keys instead?

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That was me , But wth their new bag of tricks, who knows. Heres a quote:

Microsoft designed Product Activation almost solely for individual licenses, so the feature won't affect most corporations, which typically purchase Microsoft products with volume licenses. Microsoft says that it will include Product Activation only in retail Windows XP versions or versions that consumers acquire through PC makers and other OEMs.

ya ..and I was shit scared of windows activation ..the big security step M$ took bfr launching WinXp.. but thn that was history

If I had the money spare to buy Windows XP I'd buy something else anyhow. Paying for for an over-priced OS is very very low on my list of priorites. I have a good firewall and good anti-virus and I use Firefox, so I consider myself fairly safe.

I guess I may become more liable to future attacks but I could update through other methods, I'm gussing come this crackdown we'll be able to get updates elsewhere. Of course, I shall be very careful before installing these updates.

Until Bill Gates stops trying to fleece the European market he can go fuck himself if he thinks I'm paying for his bug-ridden software.

I have Linux installed as well before some saddo says go use that instead if you hate M$ so much, I like my games though so I'm kind of stuck having to use XP.

Funny after shooting my mouth off about have I corp version . Tryed the windows valadation tool . My key failed , I tryed about 50 XP corp sp2 keys after that to no luck. Used Jellybean and Rockxp. Seems they have found a way to block certain PID version's of Xp corp including VLK . Example mine is

xxxxx 644 -xxxxxxx-xxxxx . Found by right clicking my computer , properties .

Quote: With SP1, only the two known leaked keys were blocked. They both generated 640, and crackers assumed ALL 640 keys were blocked. Key generators making corporate keys will always generate codes of 641-649. These keys worked... until now. Microsoft has never used 641-649 in any keys so they disabled them. Service Pack 2 RC1 (current Technical Preview) is unaffected, but all builds after v.2111, including the soon-to-come RC2 and the final public release, will not let you log on if your product ID contains 641-649.
But there are ways to change that too ! :)
Link: for Windows valadation: http://www.microsoft.com/resources/h...s/default.mspx

Use at your own risk of cource . I just found it interesting.
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Only 640 PIDs work. Not 644.

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Originally Posted by zapjb

Only 640 PIDs work. Not 644.

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Now you tell me . :lol: I should e-mail this post to the 30 odd friends I gave my slipstreamead disk too............ Hey no wonder it's black listed ? Boy Microsoft is are smart. :D Fear not friends ,I'm sure Rossc2004 is working day and nite to help us . Right Ross... Ross? :)

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Originally Posted by peat moss

Now you tell me . :lol: I should e-mail this post to the 30 odd friends I gave my slipstreamead disk too............ Hey no wonder it's black listed ? Boy Microsoft is are smart. :D Fear not friends ,I'm sure Rossc2004 is working day and nite to help us . Right Ross... Ross? :)

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My key is a 640. :01:
not sure what u want my help with though. :unsure:

Mine is 640 also.

Mine is -645- but i dont bother to update anyway. What key would i need to change it to if i ever did want to update?

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Originally Posted by rossco_2004

My key is a 640. :01:
not sure what u want my help with though. :unsure:

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I'm teasing ! I found a site to change WPA , The free way or Pay if thats what some here what. I'm not going to play Chicken Little just yet tho. I saved a copy of Xp/sp2 slipped streamed , with out the crap . I think we're safe for a little yet and someone will find a cure. They allways do . :)

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Originally Posted by Peerzy

Mine is -645- but i dont bother to update anyway. What key would i need to change it to if i ever did want to update?

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Its since I updated the windows security patches , last week or so. My jellbean or RockXp key changers won't work .

I have Win XP/SP2 slipstreamed but iv only tried it once and after its booted and iv formatted my drive and its copied setup files the pc reboots so it can load up the installer and ask you for your cd and where you live and stuff but it just goes back to the format screen.

Annoying :dry:

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Originally Posted by Peerzy

I have Win XP/SP2 slipstreamed but iv only tried it once and after its booted and iv formatted my drive and its copied setup files the pc reboots so it can load up the installer and ask you for your cd and where you live and stuff but it just goes back to the format screen.

Annoying :dry:

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My first one I f..'d up too . Afronaut has a good guide here tho !

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Originally Posted by Peerzy

I have Win XP/SP2 slipstreamed but iv only tried it once and after its booted and iv formatted my drive and its copied setup files the pc reboots so it can load up the installer and ask you for your cd and where you live and stuff but it just goes back to the format screen.

Annoying :dry:

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lol.
because once it restarts don't press anything (it says to press a key to boot from cd) and it boots from hard drive and continues installing.

just on internet bills I pay $240 for 3 months for my 512/128 internet connection live in Australia and you Will see what money is

Yes I can afford windows but when you have the opion to pirate it you can't help yoruself

so on that how much do you think a XP OS costs in Australia??

This is how I chaged mine. USE AT YOUR OWN RISK. Using the 2K3&XPKeygen.exe (92kb). Open the keyen then choose windows xp pro VLK
then it shows
640-0
640-999999
changeit to
640-500
640-600
then click on generate and use that key.

Heres how I changed my key & PID. First you must have XP VLK only! If you have SP2 installed, you MUST have an XP VLK slipstreamed w/SP2 for my instructions to work. If you're running SP1 or less a regular XP VLK install disk will work. But the upgrade will remove SP1.

Many people won't like this. Bugger off. For the rest have your generated keys by your side. Load your XP install disk into your read only rom. Click on it. Bunch of options blah blah blah. Choose install. Choose upgrade NOT fresh install. It'll go through all the regular rigga moroll. Then it'll say install your product key. Guess which one you'll install? The old sh*tty non 640 PID serial? NO! One of the new shiny generated keys.
Thats it. Let it go through the rest of the install. Done. You might lose some settings but all your data will be there. :01:

http://media.ebaumsworld.com/ballmerwindows.wmv

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Originally Posted by rossco_2004

http://media.ebaumsworld.com/ballmerwindows.wmv

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Oh sure funny boy , here I 'm sitting quietly waiting for a key gen to pop up ! :lol:

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Originally Posted by peat moss

Oh sure funny boy , here I 'm sitting quietly waiting for a key gen to pop up ! :lol:

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:lol:

sorry. want me to pm you my key?

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Originally Posted by zapjb

This is how I chaged mine. USE AT YOUR OWN RISK. Using the 2K3&XPKeygen.exe (92kb). Open the keyen then choose windows xp pro VLK
then it shows
640-0
640-999999
changeit to
640-500
640-600
then click on generate and use that key.

Heres how I changed my key & PID. First you must have XP VLK only! If you have SP2 installed, you MUST have an XP VLK slipstreamed w/SP2 for my instructions to work. If you're running SP1 or less a regular XP VLK install disk will work. But the upgrade will remove SP1.

Many people won't like this. Bugger off. For the rest have your generated keys by your side. Load your XP install disk into your read only rom. Click on it. Bunch of options blah blah blah. Choose install. Choose upgrade NOT fresh install. It'll go through all the regular rigga moroll. Then it'll say install your product key. Guess which one you'll install? The old sh*tty non 640 PID serial? NO! One of the new shiny generated keys.
Thats it. Let it go through the rest of the install. Done. You might lose some settings but all your data will be there. :01:

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Just curious , where did you get your info? :unsure:

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Originally Posted by Mïcrösöül°V³

I actually own my copy of XP home edition. I bought the upgrade disc, so if i had to do a clean install, it just asked for an older version to confirm upgrade, so i would just pop in my win 98 disc, and away we go. The upgrade disc was 100 bucks cheaper. ........but i use Xp pro :shifty:
I agree with MS wanting to protect their software, and if I had the money I would go buy XP pro, just to eliminate the possibility of having an OS problem, but i need to buy beer and pay for broadband so I can get more free stuff. :P

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LOL yeah same here. My pc (look at sig ) cost 770$ including shipping, my budget was 800 bucks (was supposed to be 700 :X) and well windows xp pro would cost another 150$, so i downloaded the corporate version of XP and it works great :D and i saved alot of money , yay. And the windows xp home edition that came with my family HP PC sucks donkey nuts , i have to do like system recovery every 3 months , totally unstable and it didnt come with the cd....

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Originally Posted by peat moss

Funny after shooting my mouth off about have I corp version . Tryed the windows valadation tool . My key failed , I tryed about 50 XP corp sp2 keys after that to no luck. Used Jellybean and Rockxp. Seems they have found a way to block certain PID version's of Xp corp including VLK . Example mine is

xxxxx 644 -xxxxxxx-xxxxx . Found by right clicking my computer , properties .

Quote: With SP1, only the two known leaked keys were blocked. They both generated 640, and crackers assumed ALL 640 keys were blocked. Key generators making corporate keys will always generate codes of 641-649. These keys worked... until now. Microsoft has never used 641-649 in any keys so they disabled them. Service Pack 2 RC1 (current Technical Preview) is unaffected, but all builds after v.2111, including the soon-to-come RC2 and the final public release, will not let you log on if your product ID contains 641-649.
But there are ways to change that too ! :)
Link: for Windows valadation: http://www.microsoft.com/resources/h...s/default.mspx

Use at your own risk of cource . I just found it interesting.
;)

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Well i have 640 in the middle part of my sn number when i check my computer propeties... Hopefully i'm not affected this :x

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just on internet bills I pay $240 for 3 months for my 512/128 internet connection live in Australia and you Will see what money is

Yes I can afford windows but when you have the opion to pirate it you can't help yoruself

so on that how much do you think a XP OS costs in Australia??

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umm about 250-300$ ?

yep thats pretty much the price formula 1

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Originally Posted by Adster

yep thats pretty much the price formula 1

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How about OEM from a white box store ?

I'll just make my own OS :ph34r:

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Originally Posted by iMartin

I'll just make my own OS :ph34r:

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lol... :rolleyes:

it's cool....M$ can keep windows....
time for....LINUX!!!!!!! :01:
i have already partitioned my drives...played around with a live distro...
now i just gotta get the balls to try a dual boot config & install linux :ph34r:
(my last attempt at a dual boot was baaaaaaad :( )
that was a long time ago though, hopefully i've learned a little since then

of course i'll keep a partition with a windows install for games, etc
locked down....with a chastity belt....
and profilactics in case the chastity belt fails :lol:

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Originally Posted by 4play

no microsoft are not stupid. why do they get the blame for not supporting people who have not paid them for it.

blame the pirates for not paying for their software. hell linux is now a viable alternative and is completley free.

I have no sympathy for people who can't afford the latest version of windows. what the hell are they doing with a pc in the first place.

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You try telling that to a single parent whoneeds to work 2 jobs to buy clothing for her child and send her to school. And may only be able to pay 9.95 a month for aol.

Circumstances change everthing my friend...

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Originally Posted by TheCanuk

Circumstances change everthing my friend...

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Thank. You.

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Originally Posted by TheCanuk

You try telling that to a single parent whoneeds to work 2 jobs to buy clothing for her child and send her to school. And may only be able to pay 9.95 a month for aol.

Circumstances change everthing my friend...

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Why would this single parent spend money on a computer, or on aol?

It's possible to survive without access to the internet in your home, you know.
A majority of the earth's population does just that, right now.

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Originally Posted by SnnY

It's possible to survive without access to the internet in your home, you know.
A majority of the earth's population does just that, right now.

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Not in the USA. Of all the people I know, I can count every person who doesn't have a computer on one hand.

Well, if they need two jobs to support their aol habit, then maybe they ought to reconsider their priorities.

It looks like some people are crying because they can’t update their pirated software.

Am I right?

I guess some were, and then there were others who had other complaints.


EDit: Errm, zap, you do know that that's not necessary just to change your key, right?

What exactly happens when you do that, apart from the key change?


Swapping your key after you've generated one is easy as fuck, so there has to be another reason you do all that, right?