Honestly, I'm at quite a few trackers, but I find that What.CD (with 55k members) has some of the best forums in the torrent world
Waffles seems decent but I'm not involved there
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Honestly, I'm at quite a few trackers, but I find that What.CD (with 55k members) has some of the best forums in the torrent world
Waffles seems decent but I'm not involved there
I'm still new on here, though trading seems tempting to get a tracker I'm looking for, I put risk of losing my account before thinking about trading it to another trader who would trade it and likely get me disabled. I also know people scam each other for invites or accounts, especially accounts which get disabled because of a change in IP range.
I would rather start building a reputation and make a request. Sadly I've invited someone (and it wasn't a trade) who begged for one and used a ratio cheat until he was disabled. It's listed as a high level tracker here and my only invite.
I have a wee bit of time now that my garden is cleaned, to answer.
@ Squizzle: a little question for you, if you don't mind.
Why do you love to be at some tracker? It's no secret you are a member/staffer at a certain tracker that is way up the WATW-lists floating around everywhere.
Why do you stay there? Why do you like it? Why did you, if you did, signup there in the first place?
Basically there is only a limited amount of answers to a question like that:
- You like the content.
- You like the speeds you obtain there.
- You like the pré-times of the stuff posted.
- You like the people that are in the tracker, because you know them already, or you get to know them and like some of them.
- You are a collector and/or just wanna join or be part of a tracker because it is hard to get into, and because you are a true nobody in real life and you desperately try to achieve something in other 'virtual' worlds like BT.
I wonder why some people always wonder why some phenomenons take place, like the community-issue here.
The whole Torrenting-'scene' is just a reflection of 'real' life, where you can find honest people, trying to achieve something by working hard.
But at the same time there are also people who don't like to put an effort into achieving something and they try to find ways to achieve something in life by stealing, telling lies, pretending to be a good person, trying to disguise their true nature.
They interact with people that have already achieved something in life and they are jealous of these people and will do basically everything to obtain the same.
Bottom line is that a lot of people forget BT is mainly about getting your favourite TV-episode, the movie you like to see, the game you want to play, the CD you would like to hear, the e-book you would like to read.
The fact you make some friends and have a good time is nice, but it shouldn't be the goal to get into a tracker solely because they have a nice community.
The explanation I have read here that some members want to get in a certain tracker because their friends are already a member, is flawed. If they were real friends they would join you at the trackers where you are a member yet, instead of always talking about how great the trackers is where you are not (yet).
P.S. If kyrcer is the same kyrcer I know, than he has every right to have that signature cause he practically lives on a number of tracker forums/Irc-chans. :happy:
Wheels was my first private torrent site, I was invited by a RL mate 3 years ago, I spent lots of time on it, learnt how it all worked, got to know the people on it, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Disme
I was on it for at least 6 months before I even knew another private tracker existed. As far as I was concerned, it was the only one in the world.
Then the same mate that invited me told me about BitSoup, so I signed up there and frequented it almost as much. Used to upload to it and stuff. I enjoyed using BitSoup but never really got involved with their community. I think I got a torrent damage account too, used that for a bit.
Obviously when I became a long-time member and ended up on staff I started finding out more about the other sites out there (FTN, ScT, whatever), eventually invites to them came my way.
It's only recently I've been aware of the wider torrent scene, filesharingtalk, all that.
So there's your answer I guess.
I do have a life, honest. Well, about as much of a life as you can have when you're still at college with very little cash. :D
"High level" trackers that users mostly request suck in every possible aspect. People just need to come up with a reasonable argument in order to be taken seriously. It's obvious to everyone that "high level" trackers have no decent content, speeds or pre-times whatsoever, so they use the infamous 'community-card'. Most users aren't aware though, that most of these "high level" trackers also have a sucky community and forums with nearly no activity.
A bit off-topic, but here's also a chart that I've come up with after years of hard work n analysin the torrentworld..
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/2221/51464816vs6.jpg
Heh, this is where you don't understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Presto
The high level trackers don't use the community card, or any card for that matter. The high level trackers generally have no say in the fact that they're on that list.
Users wanting to gain access to the trackers for e-penis on the other hand can't say they want them for the content because it's not as good as the more open, bigger, faster sites... so they pull the community card. See?
I like the chart. Reminds me of a bell-curve model, which looks more like this:Quote:
Originally Posted by Presto
http://www.robertniles.com/stats/graphics/normal.gif
The only legitimate reason I can see for anyone to want a high level tracker is that their friends are on it, in which case they'd get invited anyway. Otherwise there is no real reason to want a high level tracker at all.Quote:
Users wanting to gain access to the trackers for e-penis on the other hand can't say they want them for the content because it's not as good as the more open, bigger, faster sites... so they pull the community card. See?
we all have to pay respect to your drawing abilities :01:Quote:
Originally Posted by Presto
Where is the nipple?
You've changed your tune ;-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Cheeseman1208
hereQuote:
Originally Posted by dunson
http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/members/nipple-149177/
couldnt resist lol
A matter of taste I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cheeseman1208
But to me at least, plenty of reasons have those sites for being so respected and has nothing to do with what you stated. And I donīt mind I want any top ranked tracker because that only, as a matter of fact Iīve declined being invited to some of them because they would be useless for me, but that does not necessarily means are bad, empty or dying dinosaurs.
Nobody, nothing gets so much respect and reputation for long time if itīs not built on very solid bases.
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Originally Posted by Cheeseman1208
gaussian curve, impressive :O
should i move this thread to the math section now?
Yep. Our little chat showed how arrogant and selfish I am. Thanks for the wake-up call. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by SquizzleYou've changed your tune ;-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Cheeseman1208
@Nemrod
Respect, rarity, and "community" are all the same thing if you look at it. And remember, a tracker can be well-founded and "lower level" at the same time.
@KFlint
FST has a math section??
I couldnīt agree more with that. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Cheeseman1208Yep. Our little chat showed how arrogant and selfish I am. Thanks for the wake-up call. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Squizzle
@Nemrod
...a tracker can be well-founded and "lower level" at the same time.
The only userbar I use is from BitSoup, and itīs not sarcasm nor irony, itīs a fact that BS is one of my 3 most loved trackers.
Please tell me this isn't the same Cheesedude who published a pic of himself with a keyboard on his head in his requestthread for FTN?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cheeseman1208
Nope, different guy. I heard that was just a pic he snatched off of Google images anyway :whistlingQuote:
Originally Posted by danioPlease tell me this isn't the same Cheesedude who published a pic of himself with a keyboard on his head in his requestthread for FTN?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cheeseman1208
Back on topic:
Now that we've identified the issue (rarity, community, etc), how should it be dealt with properly? Obviously we as a whole will not benefit from this mindless rarity chase that has become of the BT scene. How can we get back to our roots, and just share files again? I fear that we have indeed lost our way, and that most people think of bittorrent as one giant game - like Pokemon. Who can collect them all, and more importanty, who can get the biggest and rarest trackers? I feel that this is not what we are about, and unfortunately we keep moving in that direction.
//Me goes back to looking for the FST math section...
People are desperate and have no idea how to join one of your fancy sites. They think you wanna hear something about 'anti-trading' or 'community love', but they don't know that they're wrong. This is the place where you should jump in and tell everyone what is it they should do or shouldn't do. Should they simply forget getting into one of these leet sites or will the good ole 'know the right person' suggestion do the trick?
Getting to know the right person is always a guaranteed way to get invited, if said person has invites that is.
I do disagree that having friends on a tracker is the only reason to want a high level site. I have no friends on most of my sites. I'm there to torrent. I use the forums to pass time. They are fun and all, but I don't go to the sites just to use the forums. I do however come here just to use the forums...
For me its about me feeling secure pirating current items. I feel with a small userbase (<3k members) statistically there is less of a chance that there is a peer that actually has the ability to get me in trouble.
JMHO of course.
Does that stop you from using trackers like Waffles or What for music? Or Bitme or HDBits for their various content? Don't you occasionally grab rare movies or TV shows from Demonoid or TPB?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tokeman
To use the security excuse to me is hypocritical, no offense to Tokeman. Yes, it is safer to upload and snatch the newest releases from these exclusive trackers, but using sites with larger userbases at the same time really invalidates your argument.
I only download TV from larger sites, and IMO thats a grey area for tv rips. I know the dvdrips are another matter all together, but I stear clear of the new tv eps dvdrips too. For music, Yes, I will use what, but I rarely ever download anything newer then 2-3 years old. Like I said, for current releases, I stick to smaller sites, since it makes me feel safer.
hmm...
I have no plans on making some definitive statement on this issue, just a sliver of an opinion.
I certainly have my own reasons for enjoying the sites that I do and won't get into the whole list; but what I can say is that over the past few years I have come to see that certain sites do tend to give a shit about they offer to members more than others.
As much as the content is attractive in massive sizes like Zamunda or Demonoid, one is lucky to not snatch some virus-laden-piece-of-shit-out-of-sync file at one time or another. Smaller sites and/or specialized trackers with an involved staff have a much stricter approach to quality torrents. I appreciate that.
Further, If you have a problem, your chances of being heard go down in direct relation to the volume of userbase members. That is a general statement btw. I'm sure some while chime in about how much they've been helped on a massive-site. But my experience is, is that anytime I need help on the small/cozy/specialized trackers, my success rate at getting answers is 100% - period.
I do believe that community is a factor and is alive and thriving well. For example, I'll upload a request to a site that I'm fond of far faster than I will to some massive site where members just bitch about how it's some shitty movie - if they comment at all.
Also, with some sites the packs are absolutely fantasitc and in perfect sync regarding quality. Entire collections of a Directors work in one torrent, or an impressive 20+ torrent-pack which shows the best of an actor's work, or genre collection.
The amount of work to pull together a torrent like that requires someone who not only wants to do something right (hey - we all do enjoy a bit of praise, it is human nature after all), but is also someone who wants to do something nice for fellow-members that over time you get to know.
It is these elements that come together, to me anyways, that indicates that a site has a good community.
I can't close without some reference to the manner in which the WIAW rating system is used by most of the userbase here. Simply put, it's shit. What number is assigned to a site is not necessarily what makes it good. What matters is the experience, and yes it does sometimes come down to community, content and speed. The combination of the three - if one has the ability to recognize what each actually entails - is sweet indeed :) . IMHO, the greater need for someone to have a big e-penis goes up in equal portion to how low someone's IQ is (emotinonal, maturation and intelligence). Whether they actually get the quality of certain sites over others is a somewhat hit or miss event.
Just my two cents...
i was just about to write this down too:snooty:Quote:
Originally Posted by kallieb
very nice post seriously kallie ;)
if only i had the patience / ease in english to make such kind of posts :mellow:
Nice post :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by kallieb
walk up to a "anti-trader" and tell him you got a ux-x invite or a fxx invite. then tell him that you'll give said invite for a revtt invite and see what they say. anyone overtly procliaming they are "anti-traders" is suspect from day one.
Holly shit! :blink:Quote:
Originally Posted by kallieb
A huge dose of reasoniniciline to fight the why-the-hell-I-am-still-at-FST syndrome.
I take my hat off to you. :thumbsup:
At your feet. :)
I'm glad you made it short but sweet Kallie :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by kallieb
Ahahahahahaha,very interesting take on anti-traders!Quote:
Originally Posted by FuTuRe
If you like trackers for their community, check out demonoid. They've got a booming forum, and a live irc. In addition to it's awesome community, it has a ton of rare content and packs.... BTW i'm NOT being sarcastic demonoid is the shiz.
Nice post kallieb.
This is probably the most insightful post so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by Presto
Like I said, "high level sites" or shall we say, "sites that have been pretty much closed for a hell of a long time", shouldn't have to cater to the wishes of these newbs on the torrent scene who want to join.
There is no official policy, no "best way" to get in, no nothing. Just don't bother. Go take part in newer up and coming communities that you can be part of from the start and contribute something to, that's my advice.
If you're going to join a tracker and try to join in a community of people who have been chatting amongst themselves already for three years, you're always going to be an outsider to some extent. Community isn't something you can just "have", community is made. You don't get invited to a tracker with a strong community and say "hey, now i'm part of a strong community, weee"... Takes time. Shouldn't happen deliberately or with intent either. If you become part of a community on a tracker, it shouldn't be because you wanted to and set out to in the first place. Should just happen over time.
Of course we still make the newbies feel welcome, but it ain't the same.
Plus these days the noobs all seem to know each other and natter amongst themselves as they're on every other bloody site which gets annoying. Still love 'em and all that, but, y'know :D
Tricky one :huh:
And a mighty fine one it is too.Quote:
Originally Posted by kallieb
Doesn't seem that long since you were making your first steps into the foray of trackers & forums :flowers: :smilie4:
See this is what really gets on my goat lol
When we were lvl 4 poeple were crying out to get in, and members we had were "wow my e-penis just grew another inch", we have to respect these now.
When we opened up and went down, no one cared for us, and the members that were like that ^^, didnt care for us anymore as their e-penis just went limp overnight, and no amount of Viagra could erect it again.
Over the years it just seems to me that the trackers on the lower levels you can cheat, scam, trade, not use and they wont care, they will always just get someone else in. And the trackers that are "high" up you have to respect their rules.
Now i am not saying you should not respect the higher up rules, but surely the same respect should be granted to all trackers, does not matter what lvl they are, or how hard it is to get in them.
Honestly, if every tracker closed it doors tomorrow, had no invites, never got anyone in for a while, they would all be lvl 10, but they would all be dead.
Believe it or not, there is not that many people that use private trackers, loads use public but most dont like the idea of seeding back, and I have even heard that we are elitist (yeah right).
I do not mind getting noobs in, we all had to start somewhere on this Journey so why not with us, and it gives us something to do, Ok answering the same questions over and over again gets a bit boring, but at least it makes me feel good in helping people that havnt got a clue how it all works.
Problem is the noobs are probably 2% that join up when we are open, the other 98% are the cheats, and the dupe accounts to sell them later people.
So we close again and get seen as elitist because we are closed.
we just cant win.
and lets face it as well, we get members that have been their for ages, they get invited to another tracker (say a 0 day one) and they never come back, I honestly dont know how people can have and use 5 trackers, never mind 30+ of the things, you spread yourself out to much and cant possibly use them all, on a daily basis.
as for community, I think most tracker owners would love a bustling community as well as a bustling tracker, but if your specialized like us, talking about games and consoles all day every day does get bloody boring, even for me, i dont think i have ventured into the System forums for a few months lol
On the other hand though we do not give gigs away like confetti to try to lure members into the forums, if they want to come let them come, if not, fine, they shouldnt be rewarded for taking part. And i would also say 98% of our posts actually mean something, we do not get a lot of spam even in the general forums, where spam is sort of tollerated. (but you do not get post count for it).
honestly, if you have 10+ trackers, how the hell can you take part in them all, as well as here and other sites like this you may be on, get a bloody life.
I agree with most of your post their stoi except the part with people having more than X amount of trackers. People have use different trackers to fit their needs. They also may just want to have access to as much content of that type as possible without restriction.
Also, if one can support say their old school torrentbytes acount and their new SCT account why should they have to scrap their torrentbytes account for the sakes of not looking like a collector. They put time, effort, possibly even money into being a member at a tracker, so why should they have to throw that account away just because they got a "better" tracker. Each tracker has it's perks and benefits over other trackers and sometimes people like to have that at their disposal.
Of course, like polygamist law, you shouldn't be at several trackers if you can't handle it though. If you can then I see no harm in belonging to X amount of trackers.
well if they can great as long as they do not seed 500 torrents over the 30 trackers, as that helps no one but themselves, but then thats another argument for another day.
what i meant to say in a roundabout way is lol
they get into another tracker, may not be as good as the tracker they were in previously, and just because its a new tracker to them, or higher up the list of that thread, they just forget all about that tracker, or use it sparingly at best.
People forget their routes, and you should be using your invites on those trackers that are open all the time, to get people in that you know will be good members, and not trading them away on places like FST etc.
I bet 90% of the members of Demonoid say, have no idea that some of these other tackers exist, and only way for them to get into these other trackers, is come onto here or similar places, and giveaway demonoid codes, so they get their rep up.
but it should be, your a member of their you get invited into another tracker (i will try not to name names just imagine it with me lol), you get invites to your new tracker, you go back to demonoid and get good members of their into your new tracker.
the person that invited you sees your doing a good job, you have invites and you just invited a good member in, so they invite you to another tracker, and it carries on like that.
basically everyone in everyones invite trees should be the same on all trackers, and you should know them, even if it is just from the Bittorrent scene and on a tracker like Demonoid.
its better than not knowing them at all, or inviting a trader or a cheater from here thats for sure.
Oh shush you :). Just kick me off my soap box every now and then, I won't mind;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ghurkaI'm glad you made it short but sweet Kallie :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by kallieb
What's wrong with seeding 500 torrents? Sure if they would all have leechers at the same time, speeds would be very low. But usually, if you keep alot of torrents seeding (i usually run about 200, then my hdds are full), only a few of them have active leechers at the same time. It also depends on your internet connection of obviously.Quote:
Originally Posted by stoi
offer an anti-trader 10,000 dollars/pounds/pumpkins for a bitsoup invite and see what happens
*sigh*Quote:
Originally Posted by stoi
i really wish i could get on your goat someday
its lazy to the extreme. and if you want bittorrent to go like emule then fine, seed 500, but i wouldnt want to be a leech on a 25gig PS3 game/HD Movie if your the only seed thats for sure.
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Originally Posted by stoi
you're loss then ;)