Most hardcore traders are from Egypt and India?

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Originally Posted by anoneemuse

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Originally Posted by Disme

To all you people that seem to be like 'phucked in the arse' by others people claiming things about their country/race/customs/upbringing ... it's the interwebz OK ... it's serious bussiness in here :ghey:

I am Belgian and Belgians are known to be hard workers but also known for not being the smartest cheap in the shed ... who cares ... I certainly won't ... I dare you to say anything that will actually hurt me. :rolleyes:

Get a frekkin life please ... and maybe while you're at it learn some decent English ... won't hurt to understand sarcasm and cynism when it bites you.

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YOU likes to critique other's.. it's always better to have a clear self-reflection on yourself before judging other people's behaviour.. i know that NO ONE is perfect but at least i do believe that most people would have think about what they have said or do to others and not just purely a one-sided criticism.. YOU makes me felt that YOU are such a self-centred person.. living in a world that evolves ONLY on YOUR principles and beliefs..

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But you know what? He is right. Almost everyone in this thread jumped all over integral for a few comments he made. Was he wrong in those comments? I don't know, and I don't really give a fuck. I mean some people made it sound like they were truly upset over those comments. Relax. Nobody should take what another types on the internet that seriously.

lol

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Originally Posted by apextwin146

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Originally Posted by Artemis

Fair enough question, mainly to upload, and I will be getting another seedbox for exactly that purpose for a new site that is coming up soon as well as a couple of others , but in the meantime for the last year almost it has been 128k up for me...........

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Right .. but you do have to realise the fact that many ppl in these places that being talked abt would not have the sufficient resources to rent a seedbox to upload like u did citing the low upload speed as reason .. I too use a seedbox as a simple 256 Kbps connection here costs as much as a seedbox(not through the retarded resellers) ..
I am not saying that in such circumstances people should trade and ratio cheat but it helps if u have a background knowledge regarding the circumstances that lead to such events .. Its not in their culture to do so.. They are merely trying to use watever resources they can get their hands on to move forward .. do you think they just wud stop downloading just cuz they cant manage a ratio .. They have to get the files and they will by using watever means accessible to them .. Bty this excludes people who like to trade for the rush for it and make it a interweb hobby .. Thats just plain pathetic

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I agree wholeheartedly that broad generalizations about a particular culture or group of people is unfair and accomplishes little. However, membership in a private tracker is not a right, it is a privilege, and access to free files and content at high speeds, while desirable, is by no means necessary. They don't "have to get the files" (at least not at high speeds) and, yes, they should "stop downloading just cuz they cant manage a ratio" (or go to a tracker where ratio is easy to maintain or doesn't matter). If you don't have access to or can't afford a fast connection, then you use public trackers or trackers that are easier to seed and keep an acceptable ratio. There is no good excuse for cheating, especially in communities built on sharing. Taking without giving can only be justified when you're talking about a true necessity; easy access to files and content simply does not qualify.

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Originally Posted by DarkLured

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Originally Posted by apextwin146

Right .. but you do have to realise the fact that many ppl in these places that being talked abt would not have the sufficient resources to rent a seedbox to upload like u did citing the low upload speed as reason .. I too use a seedbox as a simple 256 Kbps connection here costs as much as a seedbox(not through the retarded resellers) ..
I am not saying that in such circumstances people should trade and ratio cheat but it helps if u have a background knowledge regarding the circumstances that lead to such events .. Its not in their culture to do so.. They are merely trying to use watever resources they can get their hands on to move forward .. do you think they just wud stop downloading just cuz they cant manage a ratio .. They have to get the files and they will by using watever means accessible to them .. Bty this excludes people who like to trade for the rush for it and make it a interweb hobby .. Thats just plain pathetic

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I agree wholeheartedly that broad generalizations about a particular culture or group of people is unfair and accomplishes little. However, membership in a private tracker is not a right, it is a privilege, and access to free files and content at high speeds, while desirable, is by no means necessary. They don't "have to get the files" (at least not at high speeds) and, yes, they should "stop downloading just cuz they cant manage a ratio" (or go to a tracker where ratio is easy to maintain or doesn't matter). If you don't have access to or can't afford a fast connection, then you use public trackers or trackers that are easier to seed and keep an acceptable ratio. There is no good excuse for cheating, especially in communities built on sharing. Taking without giving can only be justified when you're talking about a true necessity; easy access to files and content simply does not qualify.

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http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/f-bit...-trade-319641/?

I remember what the trade was .. You had a fucking poor ratio on BMTV and it was gonna be disabled in a week unless you did something abt it .. So you decided to trade it .. Yet after such a despicable act you parade here with the opinion ..
"However, membership in a private tracker is not a right, it is a privilege, and access to free files and content at high speeds, while desirable, is by no means necessary" ..
Correct me if i am wrong.
A chimp would have posted a wiser response given the scenario you are in ..

I'm an Egyptian . I've never traded . It's simple :D

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Originally Posted by apextwin146

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Originally Posted by Artemis

Fair enough question, mainly to upload, and I will be getting another seedbox for exactly that purpose for a new site that is coming up soon as well as a couple of others , but in the meantime for the last year almost it has been 128k up for me...........

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Right .. but you do have to realise the fact that many ppl in these places that being talked abt would not have the sufficient resources to rent a seedbox to upload like u did citing the low upload speed as reason .. I too use a seedbox as a simple 256 Kbps connection here costs as much as a seedbox(not through the retarded resellers) ..
I am not saying that in such circumstances people should trade and ratio cheat but it helps if u have a background knowledge regarding the circumstances that lead to such events .. Its not in their culture to do so.. They are merely trying to use watever resources they can get their hands on to move forward .. do you think they just wud stop downloading just cuz they cant manage a ratio .. They have to get the files and they will by using watever means accessible to them .. Bty this excludes people who like to trade for the rush for it and make it a interweb hobby .. Thats just plain pathetic

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Your last point first, there are many here that trade for years it is their pathetic little interweb hobby. There is absolutely zero reason for ratio cheating, not 'whatever resources they can get their hands on to move forward' or any other justification.My first post in this thread was actually to defend against racial slur and bias because most of the people here do not have any knowledge of actual ratios on trackers. I also expressed that my country has a lower internet connection speed on average than many of these countries where people say that they 'have to cheat' because of poor internet speeds. I could maintain a very good ratio before I used a seedbox, and I have maintained a very good ratio on trackers that I have joined since I stopped renting a seedbox, so I feel quite safe in 'preaching eternal seeding'. There are so many ends justifies the means arguments that are used here all the time, I don't believe any of them, so saying that I need to look into background of such events is indefensible to me.
Cheating is cheating pure and simple, it is part of the same culture of ripoffs scams and invite selling that is so prevalent here. I am not going to lump one particular country or social or cultural group together. I really truly do not care what the circumstances are, I intensely dislike the whole ends justifies the means shallow little games that are played.

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Originally Posted by apextwin146

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Originally Posted by DarkLured

I agree wholeheartedly that broad generalizations about a particular culture or group of people is unfair and accomplishes little. However, membership in a private tracker is not a right, it is a privilege, and access to free files and content at high speeds, while desirable, is by no means necessary. They don't "have to get the files" (at least not at high speeds) and, yes, they should "stop downloading just cuz they cant manage a ratio" (or go to a tracker where ratio is easy to maintain or doesn't matter). If you don't have access to or can't afford a fast connection, then you use public trackers or trackers that are easier to seed and keep an acceptable ratio. There is no good excuse for cheating, especially in communities built on sharing. Taking without giving can only be justified when you're talking about a true necessity; easy access to files and content simply does not qualify.

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http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/f-bit...-trade-319641/?

I remember what the trade was .. You had a fucking poor ratio on BMTV and it was gonna be disabled in a week unless you did something abt it .. So you decided to trade it .. Yet after such a despicable act you parade here with the opinion ..
"However, membership in a private tracker is not a right, it is a privilege, and access to free files and content at high speeds, while desirable, is by no means necessary" ..
Correct me if i am wrong.
A chimp would have posted a wiser response given the scenario you are in ..

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Hey, you really went on the attack there, digging up some dirt on me and everything, wow! :O Though it was pretty entertaining, there's really no need to resort to insults, profanity and recrimination. Of course, that's usually what people do when they run out of ideas and good arguments, and that's how it looks here, because your reasoning is seriously flawed (or else you didn't understand the point I was trying to make).

First of all, not everyone would agree that what I did is "despicable" (as you so provocatively put it - you must have been on the debate team), so you shouldn't state it as an undeniable fact. I certainly don't think I did anything so terrible. I was unable to keep up a good ratio there (due to a slow connection and bittorent throttling), and knowing that many people want to get into BMTV, it seemed like a waste to let the account get disabled when someone else could get the ratio back up and put it to good use. So I traded it to a guy who gave me proof that he had a seedbox and could keep up a good ratio (and who had given me invites before, so he was not a stranger) in exchange for a buffered account at another tracker (the buffer will help me keep up a decent ratio at the new site without cheating). Oh no, let me go hide my face in shame :lol: And BTW, I don't make a "hobby" of trading and I don't trade "for the rush" of it, and since I have only traded occasionally I'm nowhere near a "hardcore" trader.

Of course, none of the above is really relevant, because I was talking about ratio cheating, not account trading. I don't see how my trading an account means that I can't have an opinion about ratio cheaters. If I had decided to cheat my ratio at BMTV in order to keep the account, instead of trading it away, THEN you could say I have no right to talk, or that I'm being a hypocrite, etc. But I did not cheat, not just because I don't know how to do it, but because ratio cheating undermines what this whole bittorrent thing is about, namely sharing and giving back to one another! People can argue about whether breaking a tracker's rules by trading is despicable, but ratio cheating goes against the very spirit of file-sharing. Do you get that?!?! :frusty:

I'll put it simply (in language a chimp would understand :P): If you can't keep up a decent ratio without cheating, just go somewhere else. No reasonable argument can be made to justify ratio cheating. Anybody care to back me up on this?

EDIT: It looks like Artemis makes some similar points above me about how ratio cheating is simply unjustifiable.

egypt . . . india, same thing

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Originally Posted by pisipisi

I've seen lots of traders,really hardcore traders who are harvesting lots of high level accs.And they are mainlt from Egypt and India. What are the aims of them?I mean,I know some guys who has 4 U*-* accs or more than 2 E**** accs .And why these countries have lots of traders?

PS:I am not trying to be racist or something worst,I just want your opinions....

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I too have seen many guys from Israel n US who have more than 2 accounts n too of high level trackers. infact I have seen a guy from US who is a staff on a website and also a Torrent Celebrity on what.cd n what that guy is doing nowadys is inviting people on invite trading forum.. now what do u have to say on this!!!..

u just saw 1 or 2 guys and u created a full free thread on it!! that too not seeing what u urself hav done in the past.. (Click me n c I'm a trader n I'm blaming others)

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Originally Posted by anoneemuse

YOU likes to critique other's.. it's always better to have a clear self-reflection on yourself before judging other people's behaviour.. i know that NO ONE is perfect but at least i do believe that most people would have think about what they have said or do to others and not just purely a one-sided criticism.. YOU makes me felt that YOU are such a self-centred person.. living in a world that evolves ONLY on YOUR principles and beliefs..

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But you know what? He is right. Almost everyone in this thread jumped all over integral for a few comments he made. Was he wrong in those comments? I don't know, and I don't really give a fuck. I mean some people made it sound like they were truly upset over those comments. Relax. Nobody should take what another types on the internet that seriously.

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Glad someone at least understands what I meant ...

@anoneemuse: Please return when you have something to say that is an actual respons to what I wrote, instead of this jibberish about the fact you think I might be self-centered or not.
Lighten up...smoke some pot, have a drink, get outside for an hour or so but don't lecture me on human perfection and the likes.

i usually just dont invite people from those countries. i never would have said that if this thread didnt exist because i dont wanna seem like a dick but imo it's just too risky. i have invited people from the UK, USA(most), australia, poland(hi kyrcer), and a few other places including 1 guy from egypt that i invited to bmtv and within a week of inviting him he was banned for cheating. again it may sound like a dick thing to say but most of the longer term members here at fst that are from the UK, USA and other english speaking countries tend to be my best invitees with the exception of 1(hi again kyrcer :P ).

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Originally Posted by Artemis

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Originally Posted by apextwin146

Right .. but you do have to realise the fact that many ppl in these places that being talked abt would not have the sufficient resources to rent a seedbox to upload like u did citing the low upload speed as reason .. I too use a seedbox as a simple 256 Kbps connection here costs as much as a seedbox(not through the retarded resellers) ..
I am not saying that in such circumstances people should trade and ratio cheat but it helps if u have a background knowledge regarding the circumstances that lead to such events .. Its not in their culture to do so.. They are merely trying to use watever resources they can get their hands on to move forward .. do you think they just wud stop downloading just cuz they cant manage a ratio .. They have to get the files and they will by using watever means accessible to them .. Bty this excludes people who like to trade for the rush for it and make it a interweb hobby .. Thats just plain pathetic

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Your last point first, there are many here that trade for years it is their pathetic little interweb hobby. There is absolutely zero reason for ratio cheating, not 'whatever resources they can get their hands on to move forward' or any other justification.My first post in this thread was actually to defend against racial slur and bias because most of the people here do not have any knowledge of actual ratios on trackers. I also expressed that my country has a lower internet connection speed on average than many of these countries where people say that they 'have to cheat' because of poor internet speeds. I could maintain a very good ratio before I used a seedbox, and I have maintained a very good ratio on trackers that I have joined since I stopped renting a seedbox, so I feel quite safe in 'preaching eternal seeding'. There are so many ends justifies the means arguments that are used here all the time, I don't believe any of them, so saying that I need to look into background of such events is indefensible to me.
Cheating is cheating pure and simple, it is part of the same culture of ripoffs scams and invite selling that is so prevalent here. I am not going to lump one particular country or social or cultural group together. I really truly do not care what the circumstances are, I intensely dislike the whole ends justifies the means shallow little games that are played.

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Artemis did u really gather from my post that i was trying to justify Ratio cheating ? I was merely trying to explain the rational behind such incidents so as not to point it to a culture of a race ..
In Brief : They do it for watever reasons but to blame a culture is just not appropiate .. I gave the low speed examples just to delve into the causes so as not to blame the entire the culture ..

I doubt it has anything to do with country. Imo (emphasis on MY opinion), it has more to do with language. Not sure if it can be supported with data, facts, and figures but imo (again, emphasis on MY opinion) those who can read and write English, no matter from which country (be that India, China, Egypt, America, Brazil or wheresoever) are very less likely to cheat in torrent communities. For one thing, they are into the English content that given torrent community in question provides them. Hence their care level for that particular site is pretty high.Second, they can read/write and hence communicate with other members of the community. And those who do communicate are far more likely to realize (not just know but realize) how wrong cheating is.

On the other hand, those who can't read or write English properly, are very less likely to be interested in English content the torrent site in question provides. Hence, their care level for that particular site is pretty low. They have those tracker just for fun and getting banned for cheating/trading isn't going to make any difference for them.Furthermore, as they can't read/write very well, they are less likely to communicate and might just not realize how wrong cheating is.

To me that makes sense coz many who are caught cheating/trading (from my observation) do not have good English. Notice i did not say the other way around - i did not say all people w/ bad English cheat.

As for cheating for slow speed, take Australia (or New Zealand like Artemis said), they don't have the best connection either. But you don't see them cheating, not in significant number at least. Notice that people from Australia and New Zealand and fairly read/write English as well.

Just the other way around goes in FPS games. People who speak most English sh!t are likely to cheat during gameplay.

eiditZ: Now i feel like it has all to do with care level for particular torrent site in concern. Language, i assume, is just one of many factors that affects care level.

it is nice to see you posting again for real, Squirrel
and in AU, not only slow speed is the problem, they also limit your download quota per month..and if you want unlimited one. you wont get it for AUD50 or 60.

What a hottest thread,thanks guys for your oppinions:)

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I doubt it has anything to do with country. Imo (emphasis on MY opinion), it has more to do with language. Not sure if it can be supported with data, facts, and figures but imo (again, emphasis on MY opinion) those who can read and write English, no matter from which country (be that India, China, Egypt, America, Brazil or wheresoever) are very less likely to cheat in torrent communities. For one thing, they are into the English content that given torrent community in question provides them. Hence their care level for that particular site is pretty high.Second, they can read/write and hence communicate with other members of the community. And those who do communicate are far more likely to realize (not just know but realize) how wrong cheating is.

On the other hand, those who can't read or write English properly, are very less likely to be interested in English content the torrent site in question provides. Hence, their care level for that particular site is pretty low. They have those tracker just for fun and getting banned for cheating/trading isn't going to make any difference for them.Furthermore, as they can't read/write very well, they are less likely to communicate and might just not realize how wrong cheating is.

To me that makes sense coz many who are caught cheating/trading (from my observation) do not have good English. Notice i did not say the other way around - i did not say all people w/ bad English cheat.

As for cheating for slow speed, take Australia (or New Zealand like Artemis said), they don't have the best connection either. But you don't see them cheating, not in significant number at least. Notice that people from Australia and New Zealand and fairly read/write English as well.

Just the other way around goes in FPS games. People who speak most English sh!t are likely to cheat during gameplay.

eiditZ: Now i feel like it has all to do with care level for particular torrent site in concern. Language, i assume, is just one of many factors that affects care level.

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Good post. Looks to me thta you are speaking from experience.

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Originally Posted by apextwin146

Artemis did u really gather from my post that i was trying to justify Ratio cheating ? I was merely trying to explain the rational behind such incidents so as not to point it to a culture of a race ..
In Brief : They do it for watever reasons but to blame a culture is just not appropiate .. I gave the low speed examples just to delve into the causes so as not to blame the entire the culture ..

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Apextwin146, your post (to which Artemis and I responded) definitely sounded like you were justifying ratio cheating by people with slow connections, but now you've clarified your point, and I completely agree with you. Many ratio cheaters probably cheat because they can't get or afford high-speed connections and have difficulty keeping up ratio at certain trackers without cheating, and I understand now that you were merely offering this as the likely motivation behind cheating, rather than a justification of cheating. And I agree that individual factors like speed, resources, etc. have far more to do with cheating than cultural factors. To say that cheating is a part of a certain culture is bigoted and ignorant, period.

So now that we've cleared that up, care to retract your earlier attacks? No hard feelings on this end. :cool:

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Originally Posted by squirr3l

I doubt it has anything to do with country. Imo (emphasis on MY opinion), it has more to do with language.

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ofc for ppl that can communicate well it's not a problem of getting what they want or understand what they do not want without all this tempting trading process.. but still, other factors as stereotype national culture also matters.. we're talking about hardcore traders.. in russia i see a lot of things like "i have what, i want waffles" and such.. things like i have blalbalbalba pm me offers are very rare.. ppl just want content and don't give a .. too much about methods, just following the easiest way for them... now about the other cultures.. i think it's a well known fact that if you'll buy smth in arabic country, if you'll not try to talk into lowering the price to merchant, you actually abuse him for not taking enough attention into this trading process.. they just like it.. so if the person is in this kind of culture, there's a good reason for him to have fun of the process of invite trading. not mentioning that if the person, wherever he is, don't share north american / west european precautions about all this anti piracy activities that is going on in this places, it's also one less reason for him of acting carefully, not throwing invites on blind giveaways etc...

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Originally Posted by kukushka

i think it's a well known fact that if you'll buy smth in arabic country, if you'll not try to talk into lowering the price to merchant, you actually abuse him for not taking enough attention into this trading process.. they just like it.. so if the person is in this kind of culture, there's a good reason for him to have fun of the process of invite trading.

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i think it has much more to do with ethics and actually giving a fuck about these trackers/communities. if i go to a swap meet(flea market) ill try to talk down prices as well, almost everyone does and it works there. but thats completely different, thats my cash for something that they made(usually) and its their discretion to bargain with buyers or not. also nothing in that scenario is illegal, but what we do on these sites is illegal so security becomes a factor, which changes everything.

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i think it's a well known fact that if you'll buy smth in arabic country, if you'll not try to talk into lowering the price to merchant, you actually abuse him for not taking enough attention into this trading process.. they just like it.. so if the person is in this kind of culture, there's a good reason for him to have fun of the process of invite trading.

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i think it has much more to do with ethics and actually giving a fuck about these trackers/communities. if i go to a swap meet(flea market) ill try to talk down prices as well, almost everyone does and it works there. but thats completely different, thats my cash for something that they made(usually) and its their discretion to bargain with buyers or not. also nothing in that scenario is illegal, but what we do on these sites is illegal so security becomes a factor, which changes everything.

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if you read my msg til the end, i mentioned "north american / west european precautions about all this anti piracy activities that is going on in this places" that some guys from outside may don't care about at all, not sharing the whole community spirit