excuse my lack of knowledge. but what is the "scoring of the shire" I havn't read the book, so am unaware.
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excuse my lack of knowledge. but what is the "scoring of the shire" I havn't read the book, so am unaware.
It's at the end of the book when the hobbits return home to the shire to find Sauromon in charge.Quote:
Originally posted by ezyryder@19 December 2003 - 13:09
excuse my lack of knowledge. but what is the "scoring of the shire" I havn't read the book, so am unaware.
you know what they say about opinions? They're like assholes. Everybody has one.Quote:
Originally posted by Tetsujn@18 December 2003 - 22:54
god that was so fucken exhausting and terrible. i want my 3 hrs back. shit the fight was alright and everything but the end and all that nonsence they were saying just became repetitive and (for lack of a better term) BORING. my ass was numb, my eyes were red, and my head was spinning from all the laughing i did with my friends at the end. it was so ridiculous. i must say i really tried to like this film but u just cant. u really cant...
.... and they all stink.Quote:
Originally posted by L0rD_S0tH@19 December 2003 - 18:05
you know what they say about opinions? They're like assholes. Everybody has one....
I'm gonna see the movie in the theatre as soon as it's out, but in my country some movies are late, so I guess I'll have to wait a month or so for ROTK to come here. So I'm gonna DL it first like I did with TTT.
:blink: i still dunt get the ending??? so why did the elves, frodo, bilbo and gandalf had to leave??? :blink:
They had to leave because their time has come to an end ( elves, wizards, etc.) The elves and wizards keeped everything in check. It was time for them to leave the world to humans. They didn't have to go, but they were immortal. Tolkien had to get rid of them somehow to tie the History of middle-earth to the History of Earth as we are today, together. Frodo and Bilbo left because they were invited to go. They were the ringbearers of the One Ring. While Sam bore the ring too, it was not long enough to do the damage that Frodo and Bilbo endured.
fking pure CLASS film!!!! i still watch em!!! lol, if u hav'nt seen it, go watch it! (at the cinema, not a dvdrip download, ruins your 'experience'!)
The ending in rotk is excellent i thought. But i get the feeling the story will continue with sam maybe! Hopefully it does, shame to see it end really. :sad1:
They should make a TV series from it! :)
ooh please no!!Quote:
The ending in rotk is excellent i thought. But i get the feeling the story will continue with sam maybe! Hopefully it does, shame to see it end really.
They should make a TV series from it!
the trilogy is perfect this way. Just keep it that way, right?
Even making a prequel (The Hobbit) would go to far, i guess.
lets keep this thing not too commercial.
I can't help but agree.Quote:
Originally posted by KeyserH@28 December 2003 - 06:55
ooh please no!!Quote:
The ending in rotk is excellent i thought. But i get the feeling the story will continue with sam maybe! Hopefully it does, shame to see it end really.
They should make a TV series from it!
the trilogy is perfect this way. Just keep it that way, right?
Even making a prequel (The Hobbit) would go to far, i guess.
lets keep this thing not too commercial.
man i have watched the movie yesterday..its really cool moive... B)
I'm sick to death of ppl saying the ending dragged if anything the beginning dragged and was slowed moved on I thought it was touching and Peter needed a way to wrap it up.
the only reason ppl say it dragged is coz you had already sat there for 3 hrs and you start to get tired and after the 2hrs action it slows down
the ending had to be like that in the end Sam was the true hero
I haev a question though
Sarum what actully happens to him as i havn't read the book?
Sam becomes Mayor of the Shire for a long time but when Rosie dies
"He come to the Tower Hills and is last seen by Elanor (one of his daughters) to whome he gives the Red book. Among the tradition is handed down by Elanor that Samwise passes the Towers, sent to the Grey Havens and passed over Sea, last of the Ring-Bearers"
basicly, he goes off to Valinor as well...
You must be kidding!! i know this is a late addition but the coment that started this thread was pure bs!!! Sounds like that guy was smoking a big pipe when he came up with those!! P.S. The movie rocks!!
I am totally with u on this one....why was this thing pinned in the first place? And why is it still there? I don't get it!!Quote:
Originally posted by buggymattus@1 January 2004 - 20:47
You must be kidding!! i know this is a late addition but the coment that started this thread was pure bs!!! Sounds like that guy was smoking a big pipe when he came up with those!! P.S. The movie rocks!!
i saw the movie 3 nights ago and i thought it rocked.
and sorry if this question seems odd to you but why did frodo have to go on that boat with that old fart didlo baggins (jk :lol: ) and gandalf etc. where did they go/? i kinda lapsed in concentration at that point because i was getting annoyed at this fat lady sitting next to my friend balling her eyes out. man dont ya just luv it when sum1 ruins the movie for ya. she liked yelled out "ORCS!!!" when frodos sword started glowing and i was like STFU in my head.; so yer anywayz can sum1 tell me
As some one said they go to a place of rest called 'Valinor' or something!
tp://gamma.nic.fi/~timbbach/galleria/tolk-valinor.jpg
http://img-fan.theonering.net/rolozo...th/valinor.jpg
im sure it is a great movie but where can i DOWNLOAD IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!WHERE!?!?!?
im gone see it in the cinema but im ill and i cant go to cinema like 3 weeks or something. Can any1 tell me where can i download myself this film.i really wanna see it :helpsmile: :helpsmile:
My theory is - Frodo and Didlo have been sent to major Rehab centre to get rid of the Ring Junkieism addiction - obviously controlled by the Elves.Quote:
and sorry if this question seems odd to you but why did frodo have to go on that boat with that old fart didlo baggins (jk ) and gandalf etc. where did they go/?
My question - is why they didnt just hop on an eagle and drop the ring in the begining?
Man - I loved the scene when Gollom finally got the ring-orgasmic
Suprnova.Quote:
Originally posted by marek154@5 January 2004 - 11:59
im sure it is a great movie but where can i DOWNLOAD IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!WHERE!?!?!?
im gone see it in the cinema but im ill and i cant go to cinema like 3 weeks or something. Can any1 tell me where can i download myself this film.i really wanna see it :helpsmile: :helpsmile:
Bilbo and the rest get on the boat because they are going across the sea to see the Valar, who were the supreme beings who created first the elves and then the rest of Middle Earth.
The power of the ring comes from the Valar and Morgoth (the first dark lord) and so everyone who has come into contact with it must eventually return to its source. In the book, even Sam crosses the sea many years later.
It all becomes a lot more clear in The Silmarillion.
Thanx for explanation (i was sort of close though)Quote:
Bilbo and the rest get on the boat because they are going across the sea to see the Valar, who were the supreme beings who created first the elves and then the rest of Middle Earth.
The power of the ring comes from the Valar and Morgoth (the first dark lord) and so everyone who has come into contact with it must eventually return to its source. In the book, even Sam crosses the sea many years later.
So there is hope for another movie?Quote:
It all becomes a lot more clear in The Silmarillion
Zedaxax, I doubt we'll see The Silmarillion in celluloid.Quote:
Originally posted by Zedaxax@6 January 2004 - 04:56
Thanx for explanation (i was sort of close though)Quote:
Bilbo and the rest get on the boat because they are going across the sea to see the Valar, who were the supreme beings who created first the elves and then the rest of Middle Earth.
The power of the ring comes from the Valar and Morgoth (the first dark lord) and so everyone who has come into contact with it must eventually return to its source. In the book, even Sam crosses the sea many years later.
So there is hope for another movie?Quote:
It all becomes a lot more clear in The Silmarillion
It was more of a linguistic endeavour for Tolkien and a chance for him to root his Elven mythologies. It has a very episodic style, much like Greek and Norse sagas.
Unfortunately, for everyone, Tolkien died before fulfilling the full scope of his vision. So all we've got to go on are The Silmarillion and The Unfinished Tales (which give a richer backround of Gandalf).
Several reasons. One, Sauron would definitely notice a giant eagle flying into Mordor. They're not invincible. Two (per the directors commentary of the Fellowship dvd), the eagles had very specific reasons for doing things. They weren't just there to be the carrier pigeons of Middle Earth.Quote:
is why they didnt just hop on an eagle and drop the ring in the begining?
The third "The Eagles are the servants of Manwe, Lord of the Valar. Their intervention is assumed to be through his grace. The Valar seem to have taken a minimal intervention approach to Middle-earth in the Third Age, and although they have interest in Sauron being defeated they won't just knock him down and be done with it. For this reason the Eagles are occasionally used to tip the scales back into balance for the good guys, but they are not at the call of the Free Peoples to solve their problems
I heard the reason shelob was put in the 3rd movie because in the story even though the incident with shelob happened in the Two Towers (in the books) it actually takes place much later on in the story. In other words Frodo and Sam don't reach the spiders lair until several days after Gandalf and Pippin arrive in Midas Tirith which is well in to the 3rd movie. Peter Jackson mentions this in the Two Towers extended version and if u have a copy of the book a calander of the journey is in Appendix B under a section called THE GREAT YEARS 3018 with the major events listed in order as they happen in the story. :smilie4:Quote:
Originally posted by MagicNakor@18 December 2003 - 08:55
It was just about as I feared. Too much was cut out because of some odd choice to put Shelob in the third movie.
:ninja:
HM a few more months for a screener?? <_<
August have to Wait till the DVD comes out
http://www.angelfire.com/ne/mithrand...s/Balrog1s.jpg
I would like to see a fictional Historical documentiary of the Sillmarilion done in stead of a movie. (Kind the way they do those CG dinosaur wildlife documentiary like Chasing Dinosaurs or Dinosaur Planet.) I don't thinks you'll ever see it in film because anyone who ever read the book will tell u it would like be trying to condense the Old Testament in to one film. Also it's written like a vague historical document. The specifics of very few events are mentioned and the book spans from the creation of middle earth through thousands of years of history.
http://www.angelfire.com/ne/mithrand...es/Glaur1s.jpg
http://www.mi.uib.no/~respl/tolkien/...olk-melkor.jpg
'It is said that even as Feanor and Fingolfin stood before Manwe, and it was the Mingling of the Lights and both Trees were shining and the silent city of Valmar was filled with radiance as of silver and gold, in that hour Melkor and Ungoliante came over the plain and stood before the Green Mound.' Morgoth's Ring.
Dont take this wrong this is my favorite movie ever probably, but i think i pissed some people at the theater off :lol: Could not stop laughing my ass off when the guy lit himself on fire and jumped... they were all worried about them when it looked like they were all going to die, then that guy just... jumps. And when frodo kissed sam on the forehead alot of people were whispering *fag**fag**fag* Awww, it felt like it went by really fast to tell you the truth
First off let me say this is by far the best trilogy of movies I have ever seen. However, personally I think the first part was the best, followed but part two, and finally part 3. The introduction of the characters and their different cultures, and the discovery of this terrible threat to them all was just about the greatest build up in the history of films. Unfortunately, as with most things in life, the anticipation is better than the actual climax. Also, I don't think any scene in parts 2 or 3 came close to the powerful emotion of the scene near the end of part 1 where Borimir, after trying to take the ring, gets shot with numerous arrows but keeps on fighting to save his friends.
Anyway, I do have some questions about RotK maybe someone who read the books can answer...
1) How did the spider stab Frodo through his Methryl?
2) What ever happened to Wormtongue?
3) Why are people saying the ending was different from the book? I've seen the animated version and the part where Gollum bites off Frodo's finger, then falls into the lava is almost identical. How is the book different?
4) Along the same lines as the idea of using the eagles right from the start - why didn't Elrond suggest the army of the dead earlier, as they were able to wipe out the orcs with no problem.
wormtounge is the one who kills Sarum wormtounge then dies later on killed hobbit arches
wormtounge and Sarum were suppose to be in the first 7 minutes of the film but Peter Jackson had other ideas sux fush and chups as he would say in a new Zealand accent :lol:
or as an Aussie would say fesh and cheps :D
this scene will probably be in the Extended edtion.remember the withking saying to the sloth orc boss dude that he would break the wizard?Notice that near the end of the seige of Minas Tirith Gandalf suddenly has no staff.You see in the confrontation at the black gate that he doesn`t have it.The witchking breaks it when he fights with Gandalf.Quote:
Originally posted by Schmiggy_JK23@18 December 2003 - 03:38
You know what i noticed.
In the trailer, gandalf and shadowfax rear up at minas tirth, when i a dark rider shows up, at the white tree courtyard. Yet in the film, this part didnt show up?
must be on the extended version maybe?
Also cut was the mouth of Sauron scene at the black gates when Aragon,Gandalf,Legolas and co ride up to the gate.That was in the film but the bit where the dude comes out and tells them frodos dead and shows them his clothes isn`t.Hence Aragon looking all sorry ass as he turns and says "for Frodo" then charges headlong into a billion grumpy mofos.The mouth trys to barter with them saying you guys can have this bit of land there,and we`ll take this,this and this and then gandalf say`s something like go fuck yourself.Much to the mouths suprise..
Man i can`t wait for the extended DVD
ALL HAIL Peter Jackson
we are not worthy
Yeah I pretty much feel the same way I think Peter Jackson got over confident from the success from the first movie and started adding his own touches. Look what happened to the Star Wars series once Lucas surrounded himself with yes-men.Quote:
Originally posted by Nightwolf@10 January 2004 - 03:23
First off let me say this is by far the best trilogy of movies I have ever seen. However, personally I think the first part was the best, followed but part two, and finally part 3. The introduction of the characters and their different cultures, and the discovery of this terrible threat to them all was just about the greatest build up in the history of films. Unfortunately, as with most things in life, the anticipation is better than the actual climax. Also, I don't think any scene in parts 2 or 3 came close to the powerful emotion of the scene near the end of part 1 where Borimir, after trying to take the ring, gets shot with numerous arrows but keeps on fighting to save his friends.
Anyway, I do have some questions about RotK maybe someone who read the books can answer...
1) How did the spider stab Frodo through his Methryl?
2) What ever happened to Wormtongue?
3) Why are people saying the ending was different from the book? I've seen the animated version and the part where Gollum bites off Frodo's finger, then falls into the lava is almost identical. How is the book different?
4) Along the same lines as the idea of using the eagles right from the start - why didn't Elrond suggest the army of the dead earlier, as they were able to wipe out the orcs with no problem.
1 U have to remember that frodo was only wearing a shirt and there were lots of other spots for stabbing. Shelob was no normal spider she was intelligent. In the book she captures Golum and he comes to worship her (even though shelob is incapable of speech she can still comprehend). In exchange for his life he vows to return with prey for her.
2 In the book Wormtongue is given a choice by the Theoden to ride with the Rohirrim or be banished. He flees to Orthanc (Sauroman's tower) and once Sauroman is over thown (Wormtoungue is the one who threw the Palentir out of the tower to be found by Pippin) we don't see him in the book until much later on. In the book Sauroman is depleted of his powers but not powerless. He goes to the shire because he thinks that the hobbits will be easy to subdue. He still has a small force of henchmen who serve him and Wormtounge is one of these. When the hobbits return they mount a resistance and drive the cruel men out of the shire and kill quite a few of them in the process. They confront Sauroman along with Wormtoungue at Bagend and give him an ultimatum leave or die. They treat Wormtoungue with indifference and in the end he turns on Sauroman and they both are killed.
3 The book has a different end in that there are many events like the one in answer 2 above that arn't included. The books goes on for six chapters after the ring is destroyed.
4 In the movie this is over simplified and definitely hollywooded up. In the book Aragorn does not have the control over them after they assist him they are simply free to go. As far as the Elrond suggesting that they use this army in the book it simply would not have been enough the ring wraiths as would many of Sauron legions would have been able to destroy those of the dead army.
That's another thing I was wondering about - why that was laying in the water outside the tower. Thanks for all the good info, Dude (and everyone else here). This thread is really helping me to understand and appreciate Tolkien's story even more than I already did.Quote:
Originally posted by THE DUDE@10 January 2004 - 06:54
Wormtoungue is the one who threw the Palentir out of the tower to be found by Pippin
That's another thing I was wondering about - why that was laying in the water outside the tower. Thanks for all the good info, Dude (and everyone else here). This thread is really helping me to understand and appreciate Tolkien's story even more than I already did. [/b][/quote]Quote:
Originally posted by Nightwolf+10 January 2004 - 22:46--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nightwolf @ 10 January 2004 - 22:46)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-THE DUDE@10 January 2004 - 06:54
Wormtoungue is the one who threw the Palentir out of the tower to be found by Pippin
Dont worry, Voice of Sauraum (the title in the book) will be in the Extended Edition (as well as the Death of Sauraum since theere is no Scoring of teh Shire)
Another question...
Why do they call Hobbits halflings? I'm guessing they're half human, but what's the other half?
halflings :lol:
i thought it was that because they are half the size of humans
No prob Nightwolf in case u cant tell I LOVE talking Tolken.Quote:
Originally posted by Nightwolf@12 January 2004 - 19:44
Another question...
Why do they call Hobbits halflings? I'm guessing they're half human, but what's the other half?
In Tolken's world and like in real life different cultures have different words for things based on thier points of view. Halfling is the Westron (the most common language in middle earth, the tongue in which trade is done and many cultures can speak) slang for Hobbit (it's basically what human's who don't know any better call Hobbits because they don't know what else to call them). In the shire they speak Westron but they speak a different dialect, the same as in Ireland where english is the mother tongue but it's a different dialect from American english.
I always assumed the humans called them halflings because they are roughly half the size of full grown man.
Ahhh, that makes sense. So if they were around today, it would probably be politically incorrect to call them halflings. :DQuote:
Originally posted by THE DUDE@12 January 2004 - 16:58
I always assumed the humans called them halflings because they are roughly half the size of full grown man.