Re: I'm constantly on the look-out for the dirt on Conservatives...
Refute what, exactly?
It is what it is; I don't feel compelled to respond to an RNC characterization of Feingold's motion.
I didn't express a want or need to refute anything, and, as I've posted previously, at length and ad nauseum, I don't see Bush's actions as exceptional, especially when viewed in the historical context my cut-and-paste provides.
Feingold is entitled to make an ass of himself, as are any Democrats and Republicans who agree with him.
As a matter of fact, I wish the Dems would get behind him and his "winning" strategy.
Now, answer my question.
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Refute what, exactly?
It is what it is; I don't feel compelled to respond to an RNC characterization of Feingold's motion.
I didn't express a want or need to refute anything, and, as I've posted previously, at length and ad nauseum, I don't see Bush's actions as exceptional, especially when viewed in the historical context my cut-and-paste provides.
Feingold is entitled to make an ass of himself, as are any Democrats and Republicans who agree with him.
As a matter of fact, I wish the Dems would get behind him and his "winning" strategy.
Now, answer my question.
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I could answer that cut-and-paste with a cut-and-paste of my own, but I have foresworn their use in argumentative circumstances.
Now you could suggest that you were saying "I could...but I won't"....however then that would look silly as you did just that...pitty it had little to do with the point.
You had your answer...twice.....once before you asked and once after...bolded.
Re: I'm constantly on the look-out for the dirt on Conservatives...
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I could answer that cut-and-paste with a cut-and-paste of my own, but I have foresworn their use in argumentative circumstances.
Now you could suggest that you were saying "I
could...but I won't"....however then that would look silly as you did just that...pitty it had little to do with the point.
You had your answer...twice.....once before you asked and once after...bolded.
I said "answer"; counter, if you will-not "refute".
Feingold's rationale is selectively applied.
I don't care about the RNC's mis-characterization of his effort.
The inanity of Feingold's motion should be apparent to anyone with even minimal historical perspective.
I don't see what purpose your/their "factcheck" serves, nor do I care; I merely seek to answer Feingold's presumption.
Re: I'm constantly on the look-out for the dirt on Conservatives...
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I said "answer"; counter, if you will-not "refute".
sure....:rolleyes: Well you didn't even do that
Feingold's rationale is selectively applied.
I don't care about the RNC's mis-characterization of his effort.
The inanity of Feingold's motion should be apparent to anyone with even minimal historical perspective.
I don't see what purpose your/their "factcheck" serves, nor do I care; I merely seek to answer Feingold's presumption.
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btw. feingold voted for the clinton impeachment investigation....in case you missed that....he voted to investigate clinton
He seems pretty consistant to me..perhaps you disagree
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CNN/AllPolitics - Storypage, with TIME and Congressional Quarterly
Democrat bucks party line to vote with GOP in Clinton hearing
January 28, 1999
Web posted at: 1:03 a.m. EST (0603 GMT)
WASHINGTON (AllPolitics, Jan. 28) -- Sen. Russell Feingold broke ranks with fellow Democrats Wednesday when he voted with Republicans in the impeachment trial of President Bill Clinton.
Feingold voted against a motion to dismiss the trial and voted in favor of a motion to allow the deposition of three witnesses.
The 45-year-old Wisconsin Democrat was the only senator to break party solidarity, putting him in the company of the Senate's 55 Republicans while the other 44 Democrats voted the other way.
He stressed his action in no way expressed how he might vote in the final determinations of whether Clinton should be removed from office.
Feingold issued a written statement regarding his votes, but refused to take reporters' questions. In the statement, he said dismissing the case now would "improperly short- circuit this trial."
He added that the House prosecutors must have "every reasonable opportunity" -- including testimony from witnesses -- to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Clinton should be removed from office on charges of perjury and obstruction of justice.
Republican endorsement
Stubbornly independent Feingold did not quite provide the level of bipartisanship Republicans had hoped for, but they were grateful nonetheless.
"We have one Democrat who was willing to stand up to his own caucus," said Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah. "Let me tell you, that was a big-time thing."
Feingold said it was only fair to give House prosecutors more time to attempt to prove the impeachment allegations.
Feingold's move surprised few who know him.
In his hard-fought re-election campaign last year against Republican congressman Mark Neumann, Feingold took the unusual step of ordering negative ads about his opponent taken off the air and rejecting commercials on his behalf paid for with "soft money."
And in the Senate he has been a leading advocate of campaign reform legislation unpopular with many colleagues in both parties.
As for his Senate votes Wednesday, Sen. Joseph Lieberman, D-Conn., said Feingold had indicated that he had concern especially about the obstruction of justice article and "wanted to hear witnesses before he reached his judgment on it."
Feingold had previously sought separate dismissal votes on the two articles and said in his statement that one of them "comes closer to the core meaning of high crimes and misdemeanors."
Lieberman, who stunned the White House in September with a speech highly critical of Clinton's conduct and urged some formal disapproval, said he respected Feingold's position and told him "not to worry about his votes."
Most Democrats avoided direct criticism of Feingold. "I think he voted his conscience," said Sen. John Breaux, D- La. "It's an indication we didn't try to break arms and insist on a caucus vote."
His votes cracked an otherwise straight party line showing by Democrats and Republicans, putting Feingold in the company of the Senate's 55 Republicans while the other 44 Democrats voted the other way.
"My view, as of this moment, is that to dismiss this case would in appearance and in fact improperly 'short circuit' this trial," Feingold said in a statement after the votes.
Feingold said it was possible he could support a motion to adjourn or dismiss at a later stage of the trial, "although I strongly prefer that this trial conclude with a final vote on the articles."
The Senate is considering two articles of impeachment against Clinton, perjury and obstruction of justice, related to attempts to cover up his affair with Lewinsky.
"It would have allowed the Senate to consider the strength of the evidence presented on the two separate articles and the possibility that one of the articles comes closer to the core meaning of high crimes and misdemeanors than the other," Feingold said.
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Funny how the RNC or any right wing bloggers/columist/commentators never mention any of this in the character assasination process
Re: I'm constantly on the look-out for the dirt on Conservatives...
Oh, now I get it.
I am obligated to tip my hat to Feingold on account of his honesty and consistancy?
I am supposed to assign to him a degree of gravitas because he voted to impeach Clinton and because he's standing against his own caucus?
Hear this:
I couldn't care less about Feingold's character, much less who's assassinating it, and if you deem the RNC's treatment of him to be pejorative, that's fine; I don't feel any compulsion to rehabilitate him for you.
I don't align myself with the RNC, and you should know that by now.
Answer the question.
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Oh, now I get it.
I am obligated to tip my hat to Feingold on account of his honesty and consistancy?
I am supposed to assign to him a degree of gravitas because he voted to impeach Clinton and because he's standing against his own caucus?
Not at all.... you insinuated that he is selective...I simply "answered; countered, if you will".... am I allowed to do that?......
btw. I was unaware feingold was in office during the carter years, still that's no excuse for not raising a censure motion against him I guess so he must be selective:rolleyes:
Hear this:
I couldn't care less about Feingold's character, much less who's assassinating it, and if you deem the RNC's treatment of him to be pejorative, that's fine; I don't feel any compulsion to rehabilitate him for you.
I don't align myself with the RNC, and you should know that by now.
yet you seem very passionate about it all, but given this why the paste?
Answer the question.
3rd time answering.
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How many times do we have to say that something cannot be excused because someone tried it before. A wrongdoing then is still a wrongdoing now.
Re: I'm constantly on the look-out for the dirt on Conservatives...
Tom Delay quits congress. Yay!!!
I hope he still gets brought up on federal charges though.
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Tom Delay quits congress. Yay!!!
I hope he still gets brought up on federal charges though.
How true
then they can charge our scum- Conrad Burns
Re: I'm constantly on the look-out for the dirt on Conservatives...
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Tom Delay quits congress. Yay!!!
I hope he still gets brought up on federal charges though.
Yay, indeed.
Better than the tenterhooks.
Why that last, BTW?
Is it especially important to you for some reason?
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Tom Delay quits congress. Yay!!!
I hope he still gets brought up on federal charges though.
Yay, indeed.
Better than the tenterhooks.
Why that last, BTW?
Is it especially important to you for some reason?
Yes if he thinks he can quit to avoid any federal charges.
