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Originally Posted by j2k4

I wonder why, then, the global warming crowd has seen fit to state so firmly that there is no longer any counterargument to man's responsibility for global warming at all (at all), and there exist no scientists to even make such an argument, for they have all been convinced it is true.
"Swindle" is cast entirely of scientists who, in addition to refuting most of the global warming crowd's claims, complain they were co-opted into the cause illegitimately.
Such tactics are frequently used by those backing false or questionable claims.

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I certainly was not aware that it was a closed case. There are, it is true, more scientists on the "there is global warming" side than the "there is not" but I don't think there has been any doubt that there are still two (probably more come to think of it) points of view.

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Originally Posted by Biggles

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Originally Posted by j2k4

I wonder why, then, the global warming crowd has seen fit to state so firmly that there is no longer any counterargument to man's responsibility for global warming at all (at all), and there exist no scientists to even make such an argument, for they have all been convinced it is true.
"Swindle" is cast entirely of scientists who, in addition to refuting most of the global warming crowd's claims, complain they were co-opted into the cause illegitimately.
Such tactics are frequently used by those backing false or questionable claims.

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I certainly was not aware that it was a closed case. There are, it is true, more scientists on the "there is global warming" side than the "there is not" but I don't think there has been any doubt that there are still two (probably more come to think of it) points of view.

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Mayhap the "case-closed" sentiment exists only in vidcc's mind, then.

He represents the American media, you see.

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Originally Posted by j2k4

Mayhap the "case-closed" sentiment exists only in vidcc's mind, then.

He represents the American media, you see.

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Perhaps because I look at what the scientist say, not what you and rush limbaugh say the scientist say.

You represent the right wing noise machine you see which requires you to consider political arguments as a rebuttal for scientific findings.

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Originally Posted by vidcc

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Originally Posted by j2k4

Mayhap the "case-closed" sentiment exists only in vidcc's mind, then.

He represents the American media, you see.

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Perhaps because I look at what the scientist say, not what you and rush limbaugh say the scientist say.

You represent the right wing noise machine you see which requires you to consider political arguments as a rebuttal for scientific findings.

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So you haven't (won't) watch Swindle, eh?

I'm pretty sure those are scientists, speaking for themselves.

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Originally Posted by j2k4

So you haven't (won't) watch Swindle, eh?
I'm pretty sure those are scientists, speaking for themselves.

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No I haven't and just like the gore documentary have no intention of doing so.

quite an interesting peice shame i missed it first time around.

These scientists did make a convincing argument especially the fact we produce 6 gigatons of co2 while volcanoes produce 114 gigatons and animals and plants produce even more each year. take into account c02 is a minor green house gas and it sort of makes the whole global warming look a bit ropey at best.

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Originally Posted by 4play

quite an interesting peice shame i missed it first time around.

These scientists did make a convincing argument especially the fact we produce 6 gigatons of co2 while volcanoes produce 114 gigatons and animals and plants produce even more each year. take into account c02 is a minor green house gas and it sort of makes the whole global warming look a bit ropey at best.

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Plants produce oxygen unless we are talking dead plants I guess.

Again for those that believe humans caused global warming, use the noggin'.

I believe we should curb pollution but not go through drastic measures to do it.

We could start by following and enforcing the pollution laws on the books.

America needs to drop ethanol since it creates more crap air than gasoline.

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Originally Posted by Busyman™

Again for those that believe humans caused global warming, use the noggin'.

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This is one of the things that has been lost in much of the spin cycle. Caused global warming (or that it's entirely man made) is not something I have heard from a scientific study but something that has often been stated as the position scientist are taking.

Accelerating, contributing (to whatever degree) or partly the cause is what is usually said in non political speak.

There are many factors beyond our control, it's the ones we can control that should be.

nature has amazing balancing abilities, but it can be overpowered.

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Originally Posted by Busyman™

Again for those that believe humans caused global warming, use the noggin'.

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This is one of the things that has been lost in much of the spin cycle. Caused global warming (or that it's entirely man made) is not something I have heard from a scientific study but something that has often been stated as the position scientist are taking.

Accelerating, contributing (to whatever degree) or partly the cause is what is usually said in non political speak.

There are many factors beyond our control, it's the ones we can control that should be.

nature has amazing balancing abilities, but it can be overpowered.

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We are in total agreement then.

I heard someone say that since volcanos produce so much pollution that we couldn't possibly affect anything. I think that's crazy.

Well, I think everyone agrees that global warming is happening and know its official. As if we didn't know this already. Its good to see that money is being well spent on reports that tell us what we already know.:dabs: