Saving Private Ryan

The subject was the refusal by some stations to air the movie.

Saving Private Ryan rawks. :01:

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Originally Posted by hobbes

A politcal agenda that attempts to fit all observable occurances into said framework is "sickening". It means that the mind is closed to either modification or an interest in truth.

A sick agenda is one that supports eating babies.

There is nothing wrong with having a viewpoint, I have NEVER objected to alternative points of view. I do object as to how one goes about presenting it.

Again, you're just quibbling.


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How am I quibbling???? You said you never said I had a sick agenda, I find it and post it for you and you say I'm quibbling? Now you say a sick agenda is one that supports eating babies? Trying to point out the difference between a sick agenda and a sickening agenda jus tot save face is pretty silly.

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Originally Posted by hobbes

I just saw on CNN that even if WMD are not found in Iraq, 81% of Americans consider the war on Iraq justified.

Are we really that stupid and brainwashed?

I've been awake for 36 hours and my keyboard has been mysteriously been rearranged, but even I can't believe this.

I was afraid of this, hence my post, "Who cares about the people of Iraq?", which was to keep people focused on the justification of the war, not to be distracted by the "liberation of the oppressed" hype.

Troops returning home, fathers reunited with their children- stock response tripe. I'm embarrassed for my country. You bunch of stupid hicks! Check to see if there is a hand up your ass, because you are nothing but puppets. Don't let the prestidigitators fool you.

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Here is an old post from 2003 to give you a little context.

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Originally Posted by scroff

How am I quibbling???? You said you never said I had a sick agenda, I find it and post it for you and you say I'm quibbling? Now you say a sick agenda is one that supports eating babies? Trying to point out the difference between a sick agenda and a sickening agenda jus tot save face is pretty silly.

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The way you support your agenda is sickening.

See, easy to clear up.

We are just wondering why you lied about not posting in order to win over the swing vote.

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Originally Posted by hobbes

stick with the matter at hand. You are changing the subject.

So you 2 actually thought that a Kerry voter thought that your oppostion of Bush was "sick". Particularly given my prior posts.

Yeah, right. You guys are just looking to quibble how to spin a word and care not to ignore the content of my posts.

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Well, let's see... you've said we run a propagandist site, you accuse us of posting political propaganda, you say our political agenda is sickening, and yet here you seem to implie that you agree with our sickening propaganda? I'm confused.

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Originally Posted by scroff

Well, let's see... you've said we run a propagandist site, you accuse us of posting political propaganda, you say our political agenda is sickening, and yet here you seem to implie that you agree with our sickening propaganda? I'm confused.

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I find the way you attempt to sell your POV sickening as it is full of partial truths. As above.

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Originally Posted by hobbes

The way you support your agenda is sickening.

See, easy to clear up.

We are just wondering why you lied about not posting in order to win over the swing vote.

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We?

I didn't lie, I told Everose to ask you about my agenda. I still don't see what my agenda is. Perhaps you can enlighten me?

If you read the post I'm assuming you're referring to;

"At this point, I'm not trying to do anything with these folks, they are beyond teaching... but those "swing voters" aren't. After a few mopre years of the Moral Majority running the show, I think people will return to a saner viewpoint."

you'll notice I didn't say it was my agenda, my job, my goal, my objective, my intention, my desire or my wish to reach swing voters. I said that after a few more years of the Moral Majority (this btw, is not a deragatory reference, but what they have called themselves, until recently, they refer to themselves as The Faith and Values Coalition) running the show views will change.

I'm not trying to change anybody's mind, that should be obvious. My agenda, if I must have one, is to express my views.

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Originally Posted by hobbes

I find the way you attempt to sell your POV sickening as it is full of partial truths.

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You said that already. I got it. So what?

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As above

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As above what? You're denying it's true?

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Originally Posted by scroff

I'm not trying to change anybody's mind, that should be obvious. My agenda, if I must have one, is to express my views.

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I am trying to change, not just people's minds, but how they express themselves, to maximize the effect of their messages.

I will state my opinions in order that they be subject to the perspectives of others. If I am enlightened, I will modify my thoughts.

I am after agenda-less discussion, not politcal propaganda.

I express my views, but I don't presume that they are always correct.

The board is yours.....................

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Originally Posted by hobbes

I am trying to change, not just people's minds, but how they express themselves, to maximize the effect of their messages.

I will state my opinions in order that they be subject to the perspectives of others. If I am enlightened, I will modify my thoughts.

I am after agenda-less discussion, not politcal propaganda.

I express my views, but I don't presume that they are always correct.

The board is yours.....................

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If you are looking for agenda-less discussion, not political propaganda, then I suggest you address the posts you feel are propaganda with what you might concieve as a rational argument rather than simply dismiss them as such. If you're trying to change how I express my views, calling my opinions propaganda and my method of expressing them sickening will have little effect.

Rather than dismiss me as a propagandist, you might take some time to either investigate what I say or dispute it, with facts, cited, not your opinion. Rather than take single posts and judge them unworthy, you might try seeing the overall message. While I have a bias, it is because I need to be convinced before I change my opinion. Someone else's opinion will rarely sway mine... I have an opinion, I don't need yours. If you present me with a fact based argument, I can be swayed. An example is Social Security reform. I was against it until presented with the facts from the Cato Institute. While I remain sceptical, I am more receptive to it.

If you choose to be abbrasive, let me assure you I give as good as I get.

I considered sending this as a PM, so as not to subject the board to a long post specifically directed to you, but as you have taken liberties expressing your opinions of my beliefs and opinions, I thought I'd do the same.

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Originally Posted by hobbes

If you had any insight, you might choose a different story.

You and Ruthie and your sickening political agenda have turned this neutral person, and voter for Kerry, completely against you.

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hey hobbes, you're the kind of person that'll eat shit if the gov't or your beloved FCC told you to. this is the most extreme case of censorship, and i agree whole heartedly, this is an insult to our veterans that gave up their lives without even thinking about it from WW1 to today.


edit: i know you're entitled to your opinion (hobbes), as am i.

The BBC has, on rare occassions, pulled movies because of events in the world and that it would be insensitive to show them. I see no real problem with this as they usually tell the viewers that the film will be shown sometime in the future.

This thread has devolved so far that if anyone wants to talk about the FCC's actions, they'll have to start a new one.

Keep the personal sniping to a minimum, please.

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Originally Posted by Everose

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I disagree. For one instance, all of your ridicule for people that believe in God, or as you call them, the moral majority. How will this ridicule help? It didn't help in the election, believe me. A lot of people believe in God in the US. Have you given a thought to try to reach these people by telling them that they can be moral, such as using a frozen embroyo to save the life of a nine year old child with diabetes? No, you attack them and call them all ignorant, attack their president, who believes in God. How do you think you can change people to your viewpoint? You have already expressed your hate for the people who voted for Bush, without considering they could be really intelligent people that based this viewpoint on their concerns about the type of President Kerry would make. I feel this same way about the far right conservatives that have damaged their party more than they want to admit.

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Having met ruthie and scroff..

I have to say they are actually two of the nicest and most caring people i have ever met, with far more than their fair share of compassion. To say they are hateful because they want people to think for themselves, rather than let institutions tell them what to do seems rather facetious.

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Originally Posted by cpt_azad

hey hobbes, you're the kind of person that'll eat shit if the gov't or your beloved FCC told you to. this is the most extreme case of censorship, and i agree whole heartedly, this is an insult to our veterans that gave up their lives without even thinking about it from WW1 to today.


edit: i know you're entitled to your opinion (hobbes), as am i.

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No, Hobbes isnt the type that will.

Hobbes has his own opinions, and does not rely on others to form them for him.

I certainly respect his views and opinion because of this, even on those occasions when we are not on the same side of an argument.

Now lets keep the personal crap out of this please.

Re-Opened, as i believe Hobbes has a right to reply to the accusation...

on subject i believe the reason it was chosen to not show it by some channels was because of the foul language that wasn't allowed to be edited out and thus fears of FCC fines.... nothing to do with violence

You know ,I would let my little ones watch it. War is Hell ,its not pretty .We coudle our children and hide the truth from them. Their smarter than we give credit. As much as I love mine, the world can be an ugly place, I for one hope I prepaire them well! :(

Edit: This coming from a half Scottish and German household. Don't you think I had a few questions to answer . I watch a movie like Stalg 17 and have to explain to a 7 year old why not all Germans are bad. :blink: