waffles ?

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Originally Posted by Time-Traveller

It's not just the frequency range that determines sound quality it's the compression technique used and more factors already mentioned a couple of pages back until you get that through your thick head you won't be able to see past the whole frequency range thing

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I clearly noted that in the little section saying 'P.S.' However, as I've said, nowadays the LAME encoder is pretty good at avoiding creating artifacts in the sound...

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You can copy and paste as many spectrum analysis charts as you like but they won't convince me I can't tell the difference when I clearly can 128 to V2 & V2 to V0 is quite easy for me to differentiate between V0 to CD is harder but the difference is there remember not everything you get from listening to music is in audible range. Ever heard the phrase feeling the music ?

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You can't 'feel' the difference, so quit it what that mumbo jumbo - when people say they can 'feel' some music they're talking about the emotions and soul, and not a FLAC recording, lol.

Anyway, evidently you don't want to listen to my cold hard science. I'm just saying that statistically and biologically speaking what you've said is improbable. If you want to argue some new-age shit about 'feeling the FLAC' then go ahead. I'll merely stand here laughing at you until you get a grip.

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K I can also hear upto 19Khz through that test with shitty 50 quid Sony headphones plugged into my soundblaster X-Fi and I'm more than 10 years older than you so that doesn't really prove anything either way does it.

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It proves that people that say they can hear the difference between FLAC and V0 are likely to be speaking out of their asses. Although don't feel that I'm having a go at you, the whole of What.CD and Waffles.FM want to believe that they can 'hear the difference'. Generally it's just a placebo unless you're superhuman.

I mean, perhaps some people can properly tell the difference...

Note: Of course FLAC is obviously preferred to archive though. =]

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Originally Posted by lhnz

I clearly noted that in the little section saying 'P.S.' However, as I've said, nowadays the LAME encoder is pretty good at avoiding creating artifacts in the sound...

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You can copy and paste as many spectrum analysis charts as you like but they won't convince me I can't tell the difference when I clearly can 128 to V2 & V2 to V0 is quite easy for me to differentiate between V0 to CD is harder but the difference is there remember not everything you get from listening to music is in audible range. Ever heard the phrase feeling the music ?

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You can't 'feel' the difference, so quit it what that mumbo jumbo - when people say they can 'feel' some music they're talking about the emotions and soul, and not a FLAC recording, lol.

Anyway, evidently you don't want to listen to my cold hard science. I'm just saying that statistically and biologically speaking what you've said is improbable. If you want to argue some new-age shit about 'feeling the FLAC' then go ahead. I'll merely stand here laughing at you until you get a grip.

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K whatever, I'm sorry if you can't tell the difference on your cheap-ass crappy setup but thats not really my fault.

Next you'll be telling us there's no quality difference between CD & Vinyl

I bet you don't even know what a double blind test is. Go ahead and disregard this post as well.

Oh my.... its funny how this subject never fails to bring out the sharpened claws :lol:

People are still talking about this shit? Whats the point flac is the best whatever anyone may say, if its such a big difference that people should get it, who knows depends on ur set up, can u be bothered to take up lods of hd space for a difference in sound quality that u may not be able hear properly etc.

So you guys are so seriously blinded by your technicalities that you can't even accept that other people have other opinions, and might very well be able to tell the difference?

Don't insult Time_t's intelligence by your one line smart ass quips. I don't need a double blind test to know what I hear. When I'm listening to my library of music on shuffle, i don't know what's flac and what's not, what's v0 and what's v2, but I often times hear a difference and then check it out and guess what, lo and behold, I'm usually right.

Heck, i used to be a flac nonbeliever for the very reasons you guys are stating. Time and lots of listening have proven to me otherwise.

But yeah, whatever, you guys know it all so I guess we're idiots or something, hmm?

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Oh my.... its funny how this subject never fails to bring out the sharpened claws

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Seriously!! I mean, I'm being told that what I hear is simply a misjudgment on my part and nothing but a placebo effect because flac or v0 is "supposed" to sound better. What an utter bunch of crap.

But hey, that's music for you...utterly subjective. I know tons of people who think Country is the greatest thing on Earth. I can't stomach the stuff. So I guess that means they all have bad music taste. Pffft.

I'm just saying, in order to actually know you hear differences, you need to do some proper testing to eliminate any hard-headed bias.

Look up "bias" and "placebo" in a dictionary or wiki. This may help you understand.

Mmm..

If I'm not wrong FLAC was never meant to be built for normal playbacks but instead for archiving albums just in case they get scratched or spoil after too many plays.

Topics like these has always been on Hydrogenaudio and What too and somehow conflicts will always happen.

If you care so much about the bitrates you'll forget about the main thing of getting free music, to be enjoying it w/o any worries.

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Originally Posted by Time-Traveller

Next you'll be telling us there's no quality difference between CD & Vinyl

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There is a quality difference between CD and vinyl. Mastered way better most of the time. :>

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Originally Posted by piratebot

I'm just saying, in order to actually know you hear differences, you need to do some proper testing to eliminate any hard-headed bias.

Look up "bias" and "placebo" in a dictionary or wiki. This may help you understand.

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I don't want to start a flame throwing contest, but seriously dude, get off your throne. Now you've insulted my intelligence as well. As if I don't know what placebo and bias mean. My major in college was sociology, so I know exactly what they are, thank you very much.

And no I don't need to scientifically knowwhich sounds better. The one sounds better than the other to me, and that's that. Who the hell cares otherwise?