The dude has a fucked up hip wtf?
He was the leader at one point then fell behind by 8 minutes 8 seconds in stage 16 then fucking won wtf?
Amazing.....he must be on drugs.:ermm:
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The dude has a fucked up hip wtf?
He was the leader at one point then fell behind by 8 minutes 8 seconds in stage 16 then fucking won wtf?
Amazing.....he must be on drugs.:ermm:
It's going a bike ffs, it's even less difficult than throwing and catching a ball.
you have to be joking. I think a lot of ppl underestimate how difficult it is to ride the distance, speed and length of time these riders do in the tour.Quote:
Originally Posted by JPaul
Ha, you must be joking.Quote:
Originally Posted by backlash
Running behind and kicking a ball is a motherfucker compared to roiding a boike loike.
My 5 year-old could beat Landis on a Big Wheel. :snooty: The problem...Landis is roiding boikes now.
Yeah, right. Half of it is downhill ffs and they have hundreds of folk giving them drinks of juice and fixing tyres for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by backlash
I won't even bother trying to explain cycling to those who know nothing about the sport.
believe what you wanna believe. be happy in your ignorance. :)
What's to explain, you go a bike. That's like saying I won't explain running .... you run.
We're not talking the off-side rule here, or a safety ffs.
Waste of time explaining it to those who already know about it, I would have thought :no2:Quote:
Originally Posted by backlash
I for one, would like you to explain cycling to me :smilie4:
Please?
http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/5263/manker4036mf1.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Busyman™
lolz
Ah, more proof that teh French hate teh Amricas.
Except the ones in Canadia, obviousement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guillaume
:glag:Quote:
Originally Posted by manker
I knew it.
btw, shouldn't we all, you know, us males, test positive for testosterone.:blink:
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Under World Anti-Doping Agency regulations, a ratio of testosterone to epitestosterone greater than 4:1 is considered a positive result and subject to investigation. The threshold was recently lowered from 6:1. The most likely natural ratio of testosterone to epitestosterone in humans is 1:1.
Testosterone is included as an anabolic steroid on WADA's list of banned substances, and its use can be punished by a two-year ban.
It seems if you walk too close to a Chemist's shop these days you are liable to fail a drugs test. What was that scuppered the Scottish skier, Vick's nasal spray?
Yeah now I'm starting to think the ratio test is bullshit. Landis does take cortisone shots.Quote:
Originally Posted by Biggles
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NEW YORK (AP) - Tests show that some of the testosterone in Floyd Landis' system at the Tour de France was synthetic and not naturally produced by his body as he claimed, according to a newspaper report.
The French antidoping lab testing the American cyclist's samples determined that some of the hormone came from an external source, The New York Times reported on its Web site Monday night, citing a person at the International Cycling Union with knowledge of the result.
The finding undermines the defense that Landis has stood behind since he tested positive for an elevated ratio of testosterone to epitestosterone following the 17th stage of the Tour de France, where he staged a stirring comeback in the Alps to make up for a poor performance the day before.
Looking and sounding defiant, Landis said Friday that his body's natural metabolism - not doping of any kind - caused the result, and that he would undergo tests to prove it.
"We will explain to the world why this is not a doping case but a natural occurrence," Landis said at a news conference in Madrid, Spain.
But after determining that Landis's ratio of testosterone to epitestosterone was more than twice the limit of 4:1, the lab performed a carbon isotope ratio test on the first of Landis's two urine samples to determine whether it's natural or synthetic, the person told the Times.
Landis officially requested the testing of his backup urine sample Monday for an elevated testosterone ratio, and results were expected sometime this week. If the "B" test is negative, Landis would be cleared. If it's positive, which Landis' lawyers say they expect, he could be stripped of his Tour victory and banned for two years.
But the result showing synthetic testosterone does not need to be confirmed with a second test, said Dr. Gary Wadler, a member of the World Anti-Doping Agency and a spokesman for the American College of Sports Medicine.
"The rules say that it is a violation, but if you can show that the athlete had no fault or no significant fault, there could be a mitigation of the sanction," Wadler told the Times. "No matter how it got there, the athlete has to show how it got into his or her body. It could have been sabotage or contaminated dietary supplements, or something else, but they have to prove how the testosterone got there."
He's done. I wonder if the testosterone even helped him. Either way, making up 7+ in one stretch was a helluva..uh...stretch.:dry:Quote:
PARIS (AP) - Tour de France champion Floyd Landis' backup urine sample confirmed high levels of testosterone, cycling's governing body said Saturday, raising the prospect that he could lose his title.
Following the results of the "B" sample, Landis was fired by his Swiss team, Phonak. He also faces a two-year ban from USA Cycling, which is responsible for sanctions against the American rider.
"The analysis of the sample B of Floyd Landis's urine has confirmed the result of an adverse analytical finding notified by the anti-doping laboratory of Paris on 26th July, following the analysis of the sample A," the International Cycling Union said, referring to the Chatenay-Malabry lab outside Paris.
"Landis will be dismissed without notice for violating the teams internal Code of Ethics," Phonak said in a statement. "Landis will continue to have legal options to contest the findings. However, this will be his personal affair, and the Phonak team will no longer be involved in that."
Tour de France director Christian Prudhomme said Landis no longer was considered the race winner, but the decision to strip him of his title rests with the UCI.
"It goes without saying that for us Floyd Landis is no longer the winner of the 2006 Tour de France," Prudhomme told The Associated Press in a telephone interview. "Our determination is even stronger now to fight against doping and to defend this magnificent sport."
Prudhomme said runner-up Oscar Pereiro of Spain would be the likely new winner.
"We can't imagine a different outcome," Prudhomme said.
The confirmed test sets off what could now be months of appeals and arguments by Landis, who claims the positive finding was due to naturally high testosterone levels. He has repeatedly declared his innocence and vowed to fight the allegations - and did so again Saturday.
"I have never taken any banned substance, including testosterone," Landis said in a statement. "I was the strongest man at the Tour de France, and that is why I am the champion.
"I will fight these charges with the same determination and intensity that I bring to my training and racing. It is now my goal to clear my name and restore what I worked so hard to achieve."
If found guilty, Landis would become the first winner in the 103-year history of cycling's premier race to lose his Tour crown over doping allegations.
Roberto Heras was stripped of his 2005 Spanish Vuelta title and suspended for two years after he tested positive for the performance enhancer EPO. The title was awarded to Denis Menchov of Russia.
Heras and Landis were both former teammates of Lance Armstrong, the seven-time Tour winner who retired after his final win in 2005.
Landis' lawyer is preparing to take the case to arbitration, said a statement issued by his spokesman, Michael Henson.
"It's incredibly disappointing," said three-time Tour winner Greg LeMond by phone Saturday from the starting line at the Pan Mass Challenge in Sturbridge, Mass. "I don't think (Landis) has much chance at all to try to prove his innocence."
The two-tiered analysis at the Chatenay-Malabry lab, which is accredited by the World Anti-Doping Agency, is designed to eliminate the chance for mistakes in the first test.
Henson said this week that the rider had tested positive for an testosterone-epitestosterone ratio of 11:1 - well above the 4:1 limit.
On Friday, Henson said Landis was in the San Diego area, but no further details of his whereabouts were given.
The tests were conducted on urine samples drawn July 20 after Landis' stage victory in a grueling Alpine leg of the Tour, when he clawed back nearly eight minutes against then-leader Pereiro - and back into contention to win the three-week race.
The UCI is expected to refer the case to the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency for handling. The process could take months, possibly with appeals to the Court of Arbitration for Sport.
Landis' Spanish lawyer, Jose Maria Buxeda, has said he still believes Landis will prove his innocence,
"He's pretty sure we will be able to prove ... that it is due to natural causes," Buxeda said.
Landis, a 30-year-old former mountain biker, says he was tested eight other times during the three-week tour and those results came back negative.
"I'm going to do my best to defend my dignity and my innocence," he said on CNN's "Larry King Live" last week.
Landis has hired high-profile American lawyer Howard Jacobs, who has represented several athletes in doping cases.
Jacobs plans to go after the UCI for allegedly leaking information regarding the sample testing.
Earlier this week, a New York Times report cited a source from the UCI saying that a second analysis of Landis'"A" sample by carbon isotope ratio testing had detected synthetic testosterone - meaning it was ingested.
"I call on the UCI to start following its own rules and to allow this process to proceed without the further taint of public comment by UCI officials," Jacobs said in a statement Saturday.
"The anti-doping process must be free from the perception that sports federations and anti-doping authorities, who hold great political and financial sway over sport, are attempting to influence the outcome of a pending case by issuing inappropriate public comments."
Since the Phonak team was informed of the positive test on July 27, Landis and his defense team have offered varying explanations as to the high testosterone reading - including cortisone shots taken for pain in Landis' degenerating hip; drinking beer and whiskey the night before; thyroid medication; and his natural metabolism.
Another theory - dehydration - was rebuffed by anti-doping experts and contrasted with events during stage 17 itself when Landis rode alone for hours.
"When I heard it was synthetic hormone, it is almost impossible to be caused by natural events. It's kind of a downer," said LeMond. "I feel for Floyd's family. I hope Floyd will come clean on it and help the sport. We need to figure out how to clean the sport up and we need the help of Floyd.
"He's a victim that needs to be held accountable. Just by pinpointing him is not enough. He needs to tell who did it, how they did it."
If this is true, he's a big loser. We shouldn't be surprised, though. Most athletes use "performance enhancers." They just don't test frequently, if at all, in major league sports.
A question is that if they all use it, how is it cheating?Quote:
Originally Posted by backlash
If Mark McGwire used steroids, who's to say that the guy pitching to him (a la Jason Grimsley) wasn't using as well?
I love the excuses Landis made
1. Cortisone shots
2. My testosterone is naturally high.
3. I was dehydrated.
4. I drank a lot of beer.
The fook?:blink:
Although I think Landis is guilty as fuck I do think that the folks that do the testing not just be French. It should be an international governing body. The French didn't like an American (Armstrong) kicking ass like he did.
:glag:Quote:
Originally Posted by Busyman™
You'll have Americans doing the drug tests at the Superbowl next.
I don't really know how the testing works and if it's possible to have false positives. I like to give people the benefit of the doubt, but it does seem he's guilty. All the other times he was testing it came back negative and the day he comes back and brings himself back into contention he tests positive. *shrugs* Seems awfully fishy, doesn't it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Busyman™A question is that if they all use it, how is it cheating?Quote:
Originally Posted by backlash
If Mark McGwire used steroids, who's to say that the guy pitching to him (a la Jason Grimsley) wasn't using as well?
I love the excuses Landis made
1. Cortisone shots
2. My testosterone is naturally high.
3. I was dehydrated.
4. I drank a lot of beer.
The fook?:blink:
Although I think Landis is guilty as fuck I do think that the folks that do the testing not just be French. It should be an international governing body. The French didn't like an American (Armstrong) kicking ass like he did.
I don't know why athletes feel they need to take anything. Why can't the playing field be leveled and people just use their natural ability? I don't think of athletes as heros. It doesn't matter to me. I don't think what they do is so amazing. They play sports for a living! What a hard life. But to each his own. If you love sports and watching the game more power to ya. Yanno.
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Originally Posted by backlash
Why can't the playing field be levelled so that everyone takes as many performance enhancing drugs as physically possible? :idunno:
Performance enhancing drugs is the next logical step following on from intensive training at high altitude, and special high-energy diets and stuff.
The next step is genetic modification. :01:
After that, it's bionics. :lol:
Sport is all about gaining an edge. When the human body is just not good enough, what else is there to do but tinker :sly:
That's exactly my point.Quote:
Originally Posted by BarbarossaQuote:
Originally Posted by backlash
Why can't the playing field be levelled so that everyone takes as many performance enhancing drugs as physically possible? :idunno:
Performance enhancing drugs is the next logical step following on from intensive training at high altitude, and special high-energy diets and stuff.
The next step is genetic modification. :01:
After that, it's bionics. :lol:
Sport is all about gaining an edge. When the human body is just not good enough, what else is there to do but tinker :sly:
My new point, I mean. ;)
Can taking testosterone once give you a boost enough for one stage?:unsure:Quote:
Landis: Officials Have An Agenda
By The Associated Press
Floyd Landis took shots at cycling and anti-doping officials in his first interview since a second drug test showed he had synthetic testosterone in his body during his Tour de France victory.
In an interview with USA Today in Monday editions, the American cyclist said he has been treated unfairly and cannot properly defend himself against doping accusations.
"There's some kind of agenda there. I just don't know what it is," he said.
After a horrible stage 16, Landis won stage 17 in the Alps, a remarkable comeback that put him back in contention to win cycling's biggest race.
"I put in more than 20,000 kilometers of training for the Tour. I won the Tour of California, Paris-Nice and the Tour de Georgia," Landis said. "I was tested eight times at the Tour de France, four times before that stage and three times after, including three blood tests.
"Only one came back positive. Nobody in their right mind would take testosterone just once. It doesn't work that way."
Landis maintains that he produces naturally high levels of testosterone, but Pierre Bordry, who heads the French anti-doping council, said the Chatenay-Malabry lab near Paris found that testosterone in the rider's urine samples came from an outside source.
Landis said the media knew the result of each of his urine samples before he did, including the original July 27 revelation of the "A" sample positive. Saturday, cycling's world governing body announced the backup "B" sample also was positive.
That made it impossible for the cyclist to defend himself, said Landis, who also gave interviews Monday on all four network morning shows.
"I don't know exactly what the truth is," Landis said on NBC's "Today" show. "The problem here, though, from the beginning was the fact that the people doing the testing didn't follow their own rules and their own protocols and made this public before I had a chance to figure out what was going on, and I was forced in the press to make comments before I could get educated on this.
"Had they followed their own protocols, this never would have happened in the first place."
Landis defended his stage 17 effort, saying the comeback was less of an oddity than the positive sample.
The 30-year-old rider said his biggest mistake was reacting to media reports when the news broke, saying it gave an impression he was coming up with new explanations and excuses each day.
"I've been catching a lot of grief in the press: 'Floyd has a new excuse, a new reason for what happened,"' he told USA Today. "This is a situation where I'm forced to defend myself in the media.
"Something bad happened to me, but bicycle racing is the most beautiful sport in the world. I want to remain part of it."
Doesn't matter; it's there, and he's out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Busyman™
The only thing to be determined is whether he was complicit or it was "slipped" to him, and that will only bear on his penalty.
I think he should pump up, then get the X-Games people to sponsor a steroids-only Tour-de-France.
Big money, there. :)
Uh...yeah okay.:blink:Quote:
Originally Posted by j2k4Doesn't matter; it's there, and he's out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Busyman™
The only thing to be determined is whether he was complicit or it was "slipped" to him, and that will only bear on his penalty.
I think he should pump up, then get the X-Games people to sponsor a steroids-only Tour-de-France.
Big money, there. :)