Except the ones in Canadia, obviousement.Originally Posted by Guillaume
Fat Secret Agent
Except the ones in Canadia, obviousement.
Use Logic Or STFU!
lolz
I knew it.
btw, shouldn't we all, you know, us males, test positive for testosterone.
Under World Anti-Doping Agency regulations, a ratio of testosterone to epitestosterone greater than 4:1 is considered a positive result and subject to investigation. The threshold was recently lowered from 6:1. The most likely natural ratio of testosterone to epitestosterone in humans is 1:1.
Testosterone is included as an anabolic steroid on WADA's list of banned substances, and its use can be punished by a two-year ban.
Last edited by Busyman™; 07-27-2006 at 09:57 PM.
Looking for loopholes
It seems if you walk too close to a Chemist's shop these days you are liable to fail a drugs test. What was that scuppered the Scottish skier, Vick's nasal spray?
Cogito cogito ergo cogito sum
Use Logic Or STFU!
Yeah now I'm starting to think the ratio test is bullshit. Landis does take cortisone shots.
Use Logic Or STFU!
NEW YORK (AP) - Tests show that some of the testosterone in Floyd Landis' system at the Tour de France was synthetic and not naturally produced by his body as he claimed, according to a newspaper report.
The French antidoping lab testing the American cyclist's samples determined that some of the hormone came from an external source, The New York Times reported on its Web site Monday night, citing a person at the International Cycling Union with knowledge of the result.
The finding undermines the defense that Landis has stood behind since he tested positive for an elevated ratio of testosterone to epitestosterone following the 17th stage of the Tour de France, where he staged a stirring comeback in the Alps to make up for a poor performance the day before.
Looking and sounding defiant, Landis said Friday that his body's natural metabolism - not doping of any kind - caused the result, and that he would undergo tests to prove it.
"We will explain to the world why this is not a doping case but a natural occurrence," Landis said at a news conference in Madrid, Spain.
But after determining that Landis's ratio of testosterone to epitestosterone was more than twice the limit of 4:1, the lab performed a carbon isotope ratio test on the first of Landis's two urine samples to determine whether it's natural or synthetic, the person told the Times.
Landis officially requested the testing of his backup urine sample Monday for an elevated testosterone ratio, and results were expected sometime this week. If the "B" test is negative, Landis would be cleared. If it's positive, which Landis' lawyers say they expect, he could be stripped of his Tour victory and banned for two years.
But the result showing synthetic testosterone does not need to be confirmed with a second test, said Dr. Gary Wadler, a member of the World Anti-Doping Agency and a spokesman for the American College of Sports Medicine.
"The rules say that it is a violation, but if you can show that the athlete had no fault or no significant fault, there could be a mitigation of the sanction," Wadler told the Times. "No matter how it got there, the athlete has to show how it got into his or her body. It could have been sabotage or contaminated dietary supplements, or something else, but they have to prove how the testosterone got there."
Use Logic Or STFU!
He's done. I wonder if the testosterone even helped him. Either way, making up 7+ in one stretch was a helluva..uh...stretch.PARIS (AP) - Tour de France champion Floyd Landis' backup urine sample confirmed high levels of testosterone, cycling's governing body said Saturday, raising the prospect that he could lose his title.
Following the results of the "B" sample, Landis was fired by his Swiss team, Phonak. He also faces a two-year ban from USA Cycling, which is responsible for sanctions against the American rider.
"The analysis of the sample B of Floyd Landis's urine has confirmed the result of an adverse analytical finding notified by the anti-doping laboratory of Paris on 26th July, following the analysis of the sample A," the International Cycling Union said, referring to the Chatenay-Malabry lab outside Paris.
"Landis will be dismissed without notice for violating the teams internal Code of Ethics," Phonak said in a statement. "Landis will continue to have legal options to contest the findings. However, this will be his personal affair, and the Phonak team will no longer be involved in that."
Tour de France director Christian Prudhomme said Landis no longer was considered the race winner, but the decision to strip him of his title rests with the UCI.
"It goes without saying that for us Floyd Landis is no longer the winner of the 2006 Tour de France," Prudhomme told The Associated Press in a telephone interview. "Our determination is even stronger now to fight against doping and to defend this magnificent sport."
Prudhomme said runner-up Oscar Pereiro of Spain would be the likely new winner.
"We can't imagine a different outcome," Prudhomme said.
The confirmed test sets off what could now be months of appeals and arguments by Landis, who claims the positive finding was due to naturally high testosterone levels. He has repeatedly declared his innocence and vowed to fight the allegations - and did so again Saturday.
"I have never taken any banned substance, including testosterone," Landis said in a statement. "I was the strongest man at the Tour de France, and that is why I am the champion.
"I will fight these charges with the same determination and intensity that I bring to my training and racing. It is now my goal to clear my name and restore what I worked so hard to achieve."
If found guilty, Landis would become the first winner in the 103-year history of cycling's premier race to lose his Tour crown over doping allegations.
Roberto Heras was stripped of his 2005 Spanish Vuelta title and suspended for two years after he tested positive for the performance enhancer EPO. The title was awarded to Denis Menchov of Russia.
Heras and Landis were both former teammates of Lance Armstrong, the seven-time Tour winner who retired after his final win in 2005.
Landis' lawyer is preparing to take the case to arbitration, said a statement issued by his spokesman, Michael Henson.
"It's incredibly disappointing," said three-time Tour winner Greg LeMond by phone Saturday from the starting line at the Pan Mass Challenge in Sturbridge, Mass. "I don't think (Landis) has much chance at all to try to prove his innocence."
The two-tiered analysis at the Chatenay-Malabry lab, which is accredited by the World Anti-Doping Agency, is designed to eliminate the chance for mistakes in the first test.
Henson said this week that the rider had tested positive for an testosterone-epitestosterone ratio of 11:1 - well above the 4:1 limit.
On Friday, Henson said Landis was in the San Diego area, but no further details of his whereabouts were given.
The tests were conducted on urine samples drawn July 20 after Landis' stage victory in a grueling Alpine leg of the Tour, when he clawed back nearly eight minutes against then-leader Pereiro - and back into contention to win the three-week race.
The UCI is expected to refer the case to the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency for handling. The process could take months, possibly with appeals to the Court of Arbitration for Sport.
Landis' Spanish lawyer, Jose Maria Buxeda, has said he still believes Landis will prove his innocence,
"He's pretty sure we will be able to prove ... that it is due to natural causes," Buxeda said.
Landis, a 30-year-old former mountain biker, says he was tested eight other times during the three-week tour and those results came back negative.
"I'm going to do my best to defend my dignity and my innocence," he said on CNN's "Larry King Live" last week.
Landis has hired high-profile American lawyer Howard Jacobs, who has represented several athletes in doping cases.
Jacobs plans to go after the UCI for allegedly leaking information regarding the sample testing.
Earlier this week, a New York Times report cited a source from the UCI saying that a second analysis of Landis'"A" sample by carbon isotope ratio testing had detected synthetic testosterone - meaning it was ingested.
"I call on the UCI to start following its own rules and to allow this process to proceed without the further taint of public comment by UCI officials," Jacobs said in a statement Saturday.
"The anti-doping process must be free from the perception that sports federations and anti-doping authorities, who hold great political and financial sway over sport, are attempting to influence the outcome of a pending case by issuing inappropriate public comments."
Since the Phonak team was informed of the positive test on July 27, Landis and his defense team have offered varying explanations as to the high testosterone reading - including cortisone shots taken for pain in Landis' degenerating hip; drinking beer and whiskey the night before; thyroid medication; and his natural metabolism.
Another theory - dehydration - was rebuffed by anti-doping experts and contrasted with events during stage 17 itself when Landis rode alone for hours.
"When I heard it was synthetic hormone, it is almost impossible to be caused by natural events. It's kind of a downer," said LeMond. "I feel for Floyd's family. I hope Floyd will come clean on it and help the sport. We need to figure out how to clean the sport up and we need the help of Floyd.
"He's a victim that needs to be held accountable. Just by pinpointing him is not enough. He needs to tell who did it, how they did it."
usenet lover
If this is true, he's a big loser. We shouldn't be surprised, though. Most athletes use "performance enhancers." They just don't test frequently, if at all, in major league sports.
Use Logic Or STFU!
A question is that if they all use it, how is it cheating?
If Mark McGwire used steroids, who's to say that the guy pitching to him (a la Jason Grimsley) wasn't using as well?
I love the excuses Landis made
1. Cortisone shots
2. My testosterone is naturally high.
3. I was dehydrated.
4. I drank a lot of beer.
The fook?
Although I think Landis is guilty as fuck I do think that the folks that do the testing not just be French. It should be an international governing body. The French didn't like an American (Armstrong) kicking ass like he did.
Last edited by Busyman™; 08-05-2006 at 08:05 PM.
Frog Shoulder
BT Rep: +4
You'll have Americans doing the drug tests at the Superbowl next.
"there is nothing misogynistic about anything, stop trippin.
i type this way because im black and from nyc chill son "
usenet lover
I don't really know how the testing works and if it's possible to have false positives. I like to give people the benefit of the doubt, but it does seem he's guilty. All the other times he was testing it came back negative and the day he comes back and brings himself back into contention he tests positive. *shrugs* Seems awfully fishy, doesn't it.A question is that if they all use it, how is it cheating?
If Mark McGwire used steroids, who's to say that the guy pitching to him (a la Jason Grimsley) wasn't using as well?
I love the excuses Landis made
1. Cortisone shots
2. My testosterone is naturally high.
3. I was dehydrated.
4. I drank a lot of beer.
The fook?
Although I think Landis is guilty as fuck I do think that the folks that do the testing not just be French. It should be an international governing body. The French didn't like an American (Armstrong) kicking ass like he did.
I don't know why athletes feel they need to take anything. Why can't the playing field be leveled and people just use their natural ability? I don't think of athletes as heros. It doesn't matter to me. I don't think what they do is so amazing. They play sports for a living! What a hard life. But to each his own. If you love sports and watching the game more power to ya. Yanno.
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