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Prince Harry doesn't want special treatment.
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Army commanders are grappling with an unprecedented security headache as Prince Harry prepares to deploy to Iraq.
The third in line to the throne appears to have won the battle to join his men on operations in a war zone after months of high-level discussions during which he threatened to quit if he was left behind for his own safety.
Insiders say, however, that officials are still grappling with practical issues - including whether the Metropolitan Police personal protection officers who guard Harry around the clock in the UK should continue doing so in Iraq.
Time to resolve such issues is short. The prince's unit, 'A' Squadron of the Blues and Royals regiment, was warned unofficially last week to expect a six-month tour of duty in southern Iraq starting in April.
It will be the first time a member of the Royal Family has served on military operations since Prince Andrew flew helicopters in the Falklands War 25 years ago - and will force his senior commanders to confront some difficult choices over security.
Southern Iraq remains extremely dangerous for UK forces, with six soldiers killed since Christmas, four of them by roadside bombs.
Harming or capturing the third in line to the throne would be a massive coup for insurgents or terrorists and in the grim humour of the Army the 22-year-old prince is already being referred to as a 'bullet magnet'.
Senior officers will have to weigh up the options, including keeping Harry out of harm's way with a relatively safe job inside a headquarters.
Alternatively, he could be allowed to lead a 12-strong armoured reconnaissance patrol - the role for which he has spent months training - while being restricted to remote desert areas where he would be difficult to track down or recognise.
Hundreds of British soldiers are operating in outlying areas of the volatile Maysan Province, trying to stop the flow of weapons and drugs across the nearby Iranian border.
Although the area is dangerous, it is deemed safer than towns and cities, and Harry could remain relatively anonymous.
On the issue of bodyguards, one royal source said it was a 'distinct possibility' that police representatives would accompany him to 'oversee' his security, but acknowledged practical problems.
The officers are not trained to operate in a war zone, there would be no space for them in the Scimitar armoured vehicles used by Harry's unit, and their expertise would offer little protection against roadside bombs.
An alternative is to assign a team of Royal Military Police bodyguards, who specialise in guarding senior commanders and VIPs on operations.
One Army source said: 'Harry's always wanted to be treated as an ordinary soldier and I think people respect him for that. He's not an ordinary soldier, of course, but it looks like he's got his way over Iraq.
'Frankly I don't envy his commanders. Losing any soldier under your command is awful. Lose the third in line to the throne and you'd unfortunately go down in history as well.'
Defence Secretary Des Browne will make an official announcement on the April rotation of units in the next two weeks.
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So what if he is third in line, he wants to serve his country and his unit. He wants no special treatment. If the powers that be think combat too risky for the royal family why allow them to serve at all?
Let him serve, if he pays the ultimate price at least he made the choice himself and it's to his credit. Let him earn the respect of those he is serving alongside. It would be offensive to his dignity as a man to send "guards" to protect him.
I wish him well, along with all the other servicemen and women in harms way.
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Isn't the royal family kinda like celebrity bullshit now anyway?
Let him go. Fuck the lineage.
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Busyman™
Isn't the royal family kinda like celebrity bullshit now anyway?
You mean like peanut brain Reagan and the Bush monkey?
They should make a film about those two and call it Bedtime For Bonzo, oh, just a minute ...
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Ava Estelle
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Busyman™
Isn't the royal family kinda like celebrity bullshit now anyway?
You mean like peanut brain Reagan and the Bush monkey?
They should make a film about those two and call it Bedtime For Bonzo, oh, just a minute ...
Wtf does that have to do with royalty?:blink:
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vidcc
So what if he is third in line, he wants to serve his country and his unit. He wants no special treatment. If the powers that be think combat too risky for the royal family why allow them to serve at all?
Hear hear.
It seems to really come as a shock to some people that if you join the armed forces, there's a good chance that at some point you will be asked to shoot at people, and get shot at in return.
This condition is not exclusive to the Royal Family. :dry:
The idea of sending policemen out there to protect him is ludicrous :lol:
Is he or is he not a trained killing machine now :unsure:
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Busyman™
Wtf does that have to do with royalty?:blink:
It has to do with the head of state, Bozo, yours isn't exactly a shining example, is it? People who live in glass houses, and all that.
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Ava Estelle
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Busyman™
Wtf does that have to do with royalty?:blink:
It has to do with the head of state, Bozo, yours isn't exactly a shining example, is it? People who live in glass houses, and all that.
Wow you are an idiot.
We have elected officials so again, wtf does Reagan and Bush have to do with royalty?
Wtf do glass houses have to do with whateverthefuck?
Did the Prince make the decision to send brat troops into Iraq?
Why the fuck does the head of state have to be a shining example? He is still the head of state and not the celebritybullshithistoricalfigurehead of state.:dry:
Please help educate me on head of the monarchy and his/her relation to the parliamentary decision making process. I was unaware of his/her veto power as head of state...or maybe he/she simply has a vote in parliament but I really didn't know of such power.
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queenie has veto power on all new laws i think, but never uses it
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ilw
queenie has veto power on all new laws i think, but never uses it
She still has a lot of powers. She can confer peerages etc(without bribes:rolleyes:)
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/openu...067480,00.html
There is a list of them in this link.:)
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ilw
queenie has veto power on all new laws i think, but never uses it
She still has a lot of powers. She can confer peerages etc(without bribes:rolleyes:)
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/openu...067480,00.html
There is a list of them in this link.:)
That sounds like bullshit. It seems parliament could tell the Queen to piss off and she could do squat about it. Thanks for the link, however.
Also that would be kinda weird in this day and age that a person's lineage could allow them to make life or death decisions.
It would seem better to have millions of idiots vote that person in so there'd be someone to blame.
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Busyman™
Please help educate me ..
Good god man, what am I, a miracle worker?
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Ava Estelle
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Originally Posted by
Busyman™
Please help educate me ..
Good god man, what am I, a miracle worker?
Naw, boab already did it...with a short post and a link at that.
It sounds like the Queen's powers were shrouded in mystery until '03.
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Being third in line to the throne is kinda like being senate majority leader except you dont have to do a job, create and process legistlation and or report to the people that you represent. So essentially nothing, right?
I say if he wants to go then LET HIM! He wants to be a soldier, like all of his ancestors, and I don't blame him for that. He would have a lifetime of having to live down the fact that his contemporaries went to war and he did not, special treatment and all that. I salute him for having the guts to go. He did not join the army because he wanted a lawn chair and a drink with anumbrella in it. He's a man and can decide for himself. As BM said, the royal family is more a figure head rather than a governing body in England, but many still feel a very strong dedication to the "throne" of England.
It will be interesting to see if either William of Harry make any sort of attempt to be involved in the goings on of their country. I am not all for Kings and shit, but if I was one, I certainly would not only show up in the latest edition of the Enquirer boning one of the Olsen twins. Has everyone forgot that Kings used to lead Crusades across Europe? LET HIM GO!
As far as protecting him, that is something of a joke for the police to even think about going over to Iraq. Why not have them go and kill all the fanatics, and the soldiers could just go home? It's the job the soldiers have, and they need to do it. There's no way the police could protect him, as the article points out.
And as far as the royal family goes, that is British tradition, and that's one thing the British are very good at, is tradition. I hope it never changes.
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Ah give me break , thier proud young men but hate to see the Al qaeda brag about killing a member of the Royal family. Keep them at back of the front lines .
After some refection it must be hard if I was a father of a British soldier, not to question why the monarchy can't be at the front .
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Skizo
And as far as the royal family goes, that is British tradition, and that's one thing the British are very good at, is tradition. I hope it never changes.
Why? It's an outdated tradition.
Historically it was excellent since had to do with governing a nation. Now it seems like stuffy bullshit.
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Busyman™
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Skizo
And as far as the royal family goes, that is British tradition, and that's one thing the British are very good at, is tradition. I hope it never changes.
Why? It's an outdated tradition.
Historically it was excellent since had to do with governing a nation. Now it seems like stuffy bullshit.
I don't believe they should be forgotten about either. I think somewhere in the middle would be appropriate. How much money is pumped in to supporting that family?
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Skizo
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Busyman™
Why? It's an outdated tradition.
Historically it was excellent since had to do with governing a nation. Now it seems like stuffy bullshit.
I don't believe they should be forgotten about either. I think somewhere in the middle would be appropriate. How much money is pumped in to supporting that family?
Of course it wouldn't be forgotton.:dry: I actually think that the history is very cool.
It also think it is outdated for a country that has clearly embraced democracy.
If there is a monarchy, it should have power. Those powers stated in boab's link seem more like malarky.
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Skizo
How much money is pumped in to supporting that family?
Here's how much the parasites have cost us, (according to Beeb from 2005), so it may have changed.....Come on now, higher or lower? :blink:
http://www.gameshow-galaxy.net/images/DzlItem246.jpg
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Busyman™
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Skizo
And as far as the royal family goes, that is British tradition, and that's one thing the British are very good at, is tradition. I hope it never changes.
Why? It's an outdated tradition.
Historically it was excellent since had to do with governing a nation. Now it seems like stuffy bullshit.
Busyman, you obviously know fuck all about heads of state, one thing the British DON'T want, or need, is a US style head of state, multi-millionaire pea brains.
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Skizo
I don't believe they should be forgotten about either. I think somewhere in the middle would be appropriate. How much money is pumped in to supporting that family?
There is nothing wrong with the Royal Family as head of state, they don't interfere in the running of the country, and that's how it should be. The unwritten rule in the UK is that the head of state doesn't enter politics, and if they do they will be abolished. At the same time they have the power to act against an unpopular government by calling an election.
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Busyman™
It also think it is outdated for a country that has clearly embraced democracy.
If there is a monarchy, it should have power. Those powers stated in boab's link seem more like malarky.
What does the fact that the UK has democracy, the oldest in the world, have to do with the powers of the head of state? The reason the UK system has lasted so long, 300+ years, is because of the way it works, why would you want to change it?
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Colt Seevers
Here's how much the
parasites have cost us, (according to Beeb from 2005), so it may have changed.....Come on now, higher or lower?
Here we go, the same old bullshit, someone had to post it! Now show us how much the Royal Family PAY the government each year through the Crown Estates. In 2005 the Crown Estates, owned by the Royal Family and run for the government, paid 188,000,000 pounds into the Exchequer, the money they were paid is then taken from that amount. So it makes people who call them parasites look stupid. If the monarchy were abolished the Crown Estates would be handed back and the Queen would be far richer.
Add that to the estimated four BILLION pound a year tourist industry the Royal Family attract, and the billions in trade they generate, and the people calling for their heads begin to look uneducated an ill-informed.
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Ava, I hate them and everything they stand for. You obviously disagree. To be honest I don't really care, they are a waste of space. They may do something to boost your economy but they do fuck all for mine. :dry: I think they are a complete and utter waste of resources. You can throw your tourist income figures around with gay abandon all you like. Personally I could happily live without them. :whistling
We agree to disagree, you can defend them to the hilt all you want mate, but I won't be joining you on this Merry Monarchy Bandwagon.
Cheers!
;)
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@ colt
looking at what Ava wrote it appears that he was responding to the parasite remark.
par·a·site Pronunciation (pr-st)
n.
1. Biology An organism that grows, feeds, and is sheltered on or in a different organism while contributing nothing to the survival of its host.
2.
a. One who habitually takes advantage of the generosity of others without making any useful return.
I can't see that he was posting a "lovefest" for the royals but was pointing out that "parasite" is a description based on something other than reality.
Like them or not the UK makes more money out of the royals than the royals get back.
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vidcc
I can't see that he was posting a "lovefest" for the royals but was pointing out that "parasite" is a description based on something other than reality.
Like them or not the UK makes more money out of the royals than the royals get back.
Aye I did notice that point, the point I was making is I think they are parasites. I think they are a drain on resources, and I think we could all live happily ever after without them. :ermm:
Make money out of the Royal brand is it, better business links? I believe without them tourists and business would still continue to thrive without their input, lets give it a try! Eh? Your arguments seem to be we would be diminished without them, lesser for it, I just don't see it that way, I think we would be better off without them, and everything they stand for...I think we should have taken a leaf out of Russia's book and shot the lot of them! :yup: Viva la Revolution!
Sorry my meaning is not to offend it's just the way I feel, I'm sure a few mint Jubilee mugs are flying my way. :ermm:
All the best, :mellow:
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Colt Seevers
Aye I did notice that point, the point I was making is I think they are parasites. I think they are a drain on resources, and I think we could all live happily ever after without them. :ermm:
How can they be parasites if they bring in more revenue than they take?
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Colt Seevers
Make money out of the Royal brand is it, better business links? I believe without them tourists and business would still continue to thrive without their input, lets give it a try! Eh? Your arguments seem to be we would be diminished without them, lesser for it, I just don't see it that way, I think we would be better off without them, and everything they stand for...I think we should have taken a leaf out of Russia's book and shot the lot of them! :yup: Viva la Revolution!
Sorry my meaning is not to offend it's just the way I feel, I'm sure a few mint Jubilee mugs are flying my way. :ermm:
All the best, :mellow:
Of course the economy wouldn't collapse if the royal family didn't exist, but that is something of a strawman argument. Nobody has said that tourism money etc. is dependent on the royals, the point is that the royals generate more money not just for the economy but for the tax payer than they take. They don't just bring money into the economy through tourism either.
I don't care if you hate the royals for whatever reason, all I am pointing out is the reality that they are not parasites.
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Colt Seevers
They may do something to boost your economy but they do fuck all for mine.
How can you claim that when the Scots get £5 per capita to every £4 per capita for the English? The English have subsidised your arses for hundreds of years and will continue to do so. That's the reason the Scots have never pushed for independence, they know when they're well off!
@ vidcc, cheers mate, a voice of reason as usual.
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Ava Estelle
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Colt Seevers
They may do something to boost your economy but they do fuck all for mine.
How can you claim that when the Scots get £5 per capita to every £4 per capita for the English? The English have subsidised your arses for hundreds of years and will continue to do so. That's the reason the Scots have never pushed for independence, they know when they're well off!
@ vidcc, cheers mate, a voice of reason as usual.
Oh aye Ava, I vote SNP and I am all for full Independence as well. :w00t: After I watched Braveheart I just couldn't handle the injustice!! :dabs: But maybe this is for another thread.
@ Bumchum, thx bumchum, I luv u. :naughty:
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vidcc
I don't care if you hate the royals for whatever reason, all I am pointing out is the reality that they are not parasites.
Yes, and I'm pointing out that they are! You go on keep quoting the dictionary definition of words to get your point across, keep up the good work! :shutup:
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Ava Estelle
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Colt Seevers
They may do something to boost your economy but they do fuck all for mine.
How can you claim that when the Scots get £5 per capita to every £4 per capita for the English? The English have subsidised your arses for hundreds of years and will continue to do so. That's the reason the Scots have never pushed for independence, they know when they're well off!
@ vidcc, cheers mate, a voice of reason as usual.
Hotly disputed figures those.
The Union was 300 years ago this very year and was an English contrivance which caused rioting in Scotland. (Money changed hands to bribe key votes in the Scottish Parliament to secure a Yes vote) It was unwanted and unpopular by the ordinary population. The question should be if we are such a drain why have the English wanted to maintain the Union for so long? Do they love us that much?
I am neutral on the Royals although they represent a class society that is alien to modern British political and social interaction. Nevertheless I certainly believe that Harry will enjoy his time roughing up a few Johnny foreigners :whistling - he has done the training so he deserves to get to go.
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Colt Seevers
Yes, and I'm pointing out that they are! You go on keep quoting the dictionary definition of words to get your point across, keep up the good work! :shutup:
Ok, then explain how they are. Explain exactly what it is about them that is parasitic (remember what the word means, they must contribute nothing and only take).
You could have used many other descriptions.... privileged, hyped, out of touch, spoilt....the list could go on, but parasite is inaccurate.
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Ava Estelle
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Busyman™
Why? It's an outdated tradition.
Historically it was excellent since had to do with governing a nation. Now it seems like stuffy bullshit.
Busyman, you obviously know fuck all about heads of state, one thing the British DON'T want, or need, is a US style head of state, multi-millionaire pea brains.
Pea brains that are involved in making decisions versus a figurehead of state that wasn't voted in...fantastic.
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Busyman™
It also think it is outdated for a country that has clearly embraced democracy.
If there is a monarchy, it should have power. Those powers stated in boab's link seem more like malarky.
What does the fact that the UK has democracy, the oldest in the world, have to do with the powers of the head of state? The reason the UK system has lasted so long, 300+ years, is because of the way it works, why would you want to change it?
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Colt Seevers
Here's how much the
parasites have cost us, (according to Beeb from 2005), so it may have changed.....Come on now, higher or lower?
Here we go, the same old bullshit, someone had to post it! Now show us how much the Royal Family PAY the government each year through the Crown Estates. In 2005 the Crown Estates, owned by the Royal Family and run for the government, paid 188,000,000 pounds into the Exchequer, the money they were paid is then taken from that amount. So it makes people who call them parasites look stupid. If the monarchy were abolished the Crown Estates would be handed back and the Queen would be far richer.
Add that to the estimated four BILLION pound a year tourist industry the Royal Family attract, and the billions in trade they generate, and the people calling for their heads begin to look uneducated an ill-informed.
OIC, the Royal family pays royalties so they can solidify their figurehead position.
It sounds to me like the Royal family is simply a tourist attraction.
Hey that's great if brings in more money. However, decision making based on lineage is outdated.
I can totally respect them hanging around to bring in loot for the gubment.
Don't fanny about the "nonono they really doooo have power".:dry:
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Colt Seevers
After I watched Braveheart I just couldn't handle the injustice!!
Many a true word ...
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vidcc
I don't care if you hate the royals for whatever reason, all I am pointing out is the reality that they are not parasites.
Yes, and I'm pointing out that they are! You go on keep quoting the dictionary definition of words to get your point across, keep up the good work! :shutup:
Is there another way of using words apart from the dictionary definition? The word 'parasite' has a difinite meaning, if you use it, you use the meaning of it. In this case you are wrong, they are not 'parasites', whatever you say.
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The Union was 300 years ago this very year and was an English contrivance which caused rioting in Scotland. (Money changed hands to bribe key votes in the Scottish Parliament to secure a Yes vote) It was unwanted and unpopular by the ordinary population. The question should be if we are such a drain why have the English wanted to maintain the Union for so long? Do they love us that much?
The English saved Scotland from going bust after the Darien debacle, it also stopped hundreds, maybe thousands of years of wars.
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vidcc
Ok, then explain how they are. Explain exactly what it is about them that is parasitic (remember what the word means, they must contribute nothing and only take).
You could have used many other descriptions.... privileged, hyped, out of touch, spoilt....the list could go on, but parasite is inaccurate.
Game set and match!
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Busyman™
Pea brains that are involved in making decisions versus a figurehead of state that wasn't voted in...fantastic
The Royal Family make NO political decisions at all, NONE. You can believe what you want, it doesn't make it so, ALL political decisions in the UK are made by Parliament, and they don't have to be millionaires to get elected.
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Busyman™
OIC, the Royal family pays royalties so they can solidify their figurehead position.
You either can't read or don't want to, nothing unusual there then.
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Busyman™
It sounds to me like the Royal family is simply a tourist attraction.
At least tourist attractions don't take the country into disastrous, illegal, wars.
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Busyman™
Hey that's great if brings in more money. However, decision making based on lineage is outdated.
See above.
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Busyman™
Don't fanny about the "nonono they really doooo have power".:dry:
No they don't.
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Scottish independence eh, I'm all for it.
Were any of you people watching Question Time last night? If that panel were representative of Scottish politicians then God help you! The only one that talked any sense was that Asian guy.
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Busyman™
Pea brains that are involved in making decisions versus a figurehead of state that wasn't voted in...fantastic
The Royal Family make NO political decisions at all, NONE. You can believe what you want, it doesn't make it so, ALL political decisions in the UK are made by Parliament, and they don't have to be millionaires to get elected.
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Busyman™
OIC, the Royal family pays royalties so they can solidify their figurehead position.
You either can't read or don't want to, nothing unusual there then.
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Busyman™
It sounds to me like the Royal family is simply a tourist attraction.
At least tourist attractions don't take the country into disastrous, illegal, wars.
DUHHHH no shit if they don't make fucking decisions. :wacko: Eh, aren't you guys in Iraq too? Someone in your country sold the that decision. How about a little less talking and a little more STFU?:huh:
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Busyman™
Hey that's great if brings in more money. However, decision making based on lineage is outdated.
See above.
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Busyman™
Don't fanny about the "nonono they really doooo have power".:dry:
No they don't.
With all your other responses I guess we agree. You argue what I've been saying all along.
The Royal family are nothing more than rich tourist attractions. Cool.
It sounds to me like your gubment wants to protect one of your walking, talking tourist attractions. I thinks it's comical but hey we try to protect past Presidents (ya know, real decision makers from the past) so I guess I can understand a wee bit.
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Biggles
The Union was 300 years ago this very year and was an English contrivance which caused rioting in Scotland. (Money changed hands to bribe key votes in the Scottish Parliament to secure a Yes vote) It was unwanted and unpopular by the ordinary population. The question should be if we are such a drain why have the English wanted to maintain the Union for so long? Do they love us that much?
The English saved Scotland from going bust after the Darien debacle, it also stopped hundreds, maybe thousands of years of wars.
Most of the wars between Scotland and England revolved around English claims to Scotland not because Scotland was short of a merk or two.
Darien was an ill-conceived and stupid venture but thousands of years of war? Now that is what I call hyperbole. It is because you love us isn't it? :naughty:
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Busyman™
How about a little less talking and a little more STFU?
Yes please, how long do you think you can last?
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Biggles
Most of the wars between Scotland and England revolved around English claims to Scotland not because Scotland was short of a merk or two.
Most of the wars between England and Scotland was over the Scots raiding parties against English towns and villages, the 'walls' weren't built by the Scots to keep the English out!
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Biggles
Darien was an ill-conceived and stupid venture but thousands of years of war? Now that is what I call hyperbole. It is because you love us isn't it? :naughty:
Darien bankrupted Scotland, you should be grateful we bailed you out. And I said 'maybe' thousands of years, who knows how long the conflicts have gone on, Hadrian's Wall was built nearly two thousand years ago.
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Ava Estelle
Most of the wars between England and Scotland was over the Scots raiding parties against English towns and villages, the 'walls' weren't built by the Scots to keep the English out!
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Biggles
Darien was an ill-conceived and stupid venture but thousands of years of war? Now that is what I call hyperbole. It is because you love us isn't it? :naughty:
Darien bankrupted Scotland, you should be grateful we bailed you out. And I said 'maybe' thousands of years, who knows how long the conflicts have gone on, Hadrian's Wall was built nearly two thousand years ago.
:D Fortunately we retained our own education, legal and social structures and our history is taught with rather more detail and sophistication than that.
Our track record
At war with
Romans who invaded us
Vikings who invaded us
Anglo Saxons who invaded us
Norman English who invaded us
English - at war with just about anybody you care to mention.
The gist is that as long as we were not being invaded we were quite friendly really. (Cow stealing excepted of course as that is a hobby not warfare)
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Busyman™
How about a little less talking and a little more STFU?
Yes please, how long do you think you can last?
Pretty long actually since through all your arguing you either said what I said already or brought up the dumbass meaningless shit like the fact your royal family doesn't get you into illegal wars like our President does.:wacko:
I'm sure your grandmum doesn't get your country into wars either. Wtf does that have to do with anything? You guys still went to Iraq, Billy, whether your Queenie decided it or your gubment decided.:1eye:
You're as idy-otick as ever.:no:
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Re: Let him be his own man
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Busyman™
Wtf does that have to do with anything?
Giving in busybody? I love the way you get mad and insulting when you're shown up, it's one of the reasons I come here.
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Re: Let him be his own man
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Ava Estelle
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Busyman™
Wtf does that have to do with anything?
Giving in busybody? I love the way you get mad and insulting when you're shown up, it's one of the reasons I come here.
That's just it, Billy. I wasn't.
You bring up something that has nothing to do with the other and then claim a victory.
You bring up that your tourist attraction doesn't get your country into illegal wars so I brought up that neither does your grandmum. You bring all this up while you have soldiers in Iraq.:glag:
Again, please grab a can of STFU and suck it down to keep in practice.
