Paying to get into trackers?

before i start i will just say i do not agree with it at all, and there is about a 0.0001% chance of this ever happening with us, I wont say never but it is very very slim.

So what do you think about this, Would you do it, have you done it, Do you just not bother if they have this, If you are already in a tracker like this, do you/ would you still donate etc etc

I have been thinking about this for the past few days, again though not to do it myself, but i can see it being a way to get only good members, lets say we done it for arguments sake.

£5 donation gets you in, you also get 1 month of full bonuses (which even i admit are not a lot lol but its something).

those that do pay to get in, will or i would say will be a 95% chance to be a good member, you are not going to pay and then trade the account, you may pay £5 and then sell the account for £20 though i suppose. You are very unlikely to cheat if you have paid to get in.

So i can see some sort of sense in doing it, still does not mean i would do it on my tracker though, as i still think it is wrong.

but just wondering what the rest of you think.

PS: I do not mean Donating and getting an Invite, I mean actually paying to get access like a few are doing.

Well with FTP access is the same thing , you pay .

Well I am against this but now that you said it is true that if someone donated it is a very small chance that he will cheat there because he wouldn't like to pay for nothing in the end .

And about trading , he could use the account to trade it for something but if he is caught again he loses the money . If it would be a good tracker and the acces to it would be only £5 you could sell it with more as you said , but not everyone has friends that can help them with invites or they dont have time to stay all day on forum and get attention .

In some cases it would be good and in other cases not , like every things it has bad things and good things .

No, I wouldn't pay anyone sort of money to get into a tracker if there was a way to get in for free. Kinda like with pirating, If I can get what I want for free than why pay money? Now, if say in the future, a network of trackers band together and you get access to all the trackers along with freeleech and other perks, than maybe. This seems to work ok for porn. Now, of course If there were a band of trackers that did this of course there would be intense scrutiny of those trackers.

The idea of trackers making extra cash off of warez doesn't sit to well with me though. If a trackers membership base had to pay to get in, I think that that tracker would be even more of a target of the feds more than now. If I had to pay for warez, bittorrent wouldn't even be an option because of this.

Mostly I would say no, but I would condiser it to get into an otherwise impossible tracker:)

never pay for warez - enough said.

It depends on your morals, really. If you think it is "wrong" to sell accounts to warez and other things, then it's clearly the worst thing to do. But if you're in it to be a business and profit like TL and SCT, then selling invites/accounts is quite profitable, in every sense.

Also, I doubt a true profit torrent site like TL really cares about traders. If they're selling accounts, then the only way someone can make a profit is selling it for less, and even then TL would still be making good profits, so I doubt they'd go on any hunts.

TL's staff seems to have passed first-year economics in school or something, since their business practices are a cut above ScT in a few ways. One of those ways is their VIP plan. If you pay w00t to get an account in TL, which is allowed, you're VIP. VIP allows you no waiting times, and no ratio rules. Now, that only lasts 2 months or something, then you have to pay again. If you're an unsuspecting person, and get a ratio of 0.0001 with 2TB downloaded or something, and VIP runs out, you are officially fucked. You're hit with wait times, and you only have a little time to fix your ratio, before you're banned. In this way, TL has made almost a monthly billing plan for their accounts. Smart guys, really.

So to reiterate, it's all about morals. It could be the worst abomination, or a keystone in your business model. One thing I will say, though, is if shit hits the fan in a legal sense, I'd hate to be the owner of a tracker that sold accounts, rather than a place like FTWR or FSC.

same here...i would not pay .You said that in this way you could get good users...but how many users do you think are willing to pay?:)...just because someone is not willing to pay for acces doesen't mean they don't have seedboxes or huge internet speeds...or just simply that they aren't good users

Ok but you could look at it, as you are getting the donation benefits anyway, that you are donating to get in.

before the fake page was put on our tracker, i was getting silly payments from Guest, i ws like who the hell, then 2 minutes later another email, can i get in i just donated, ffs send cash back NO.

btw silly payments i am talking £30 min i think the max was over £250 ffs

just for a bloody account, i was like, i could be making a frigging fortune here lol

PS: i wrote this in answer to polarbears, i never seen integrals.

stoi, my personal point of view is actually pretty general.

If the tracker isn't getting enough donations for the month then this may be employed to help the tracker, even if people don't agree with this but they're just mostly members.

If they don't agree and yet don't donate at all then forget about listening to them, piracy is meant for free stuffs but to support a tracker it's definitely not going to be free.

Pedro's has been doing it this way and I got in by donating, I've been a good member too.

What I can suggest you to do if you really have this would to be keeping a close eye of the people who has donated to get in stringently time to time.

:lol:..yeah..when you look at it from the money-making point of view that would increase your pocket size a lot :lol:...but i belive that's when the tracker steps out of the filesharing bussines and entering the money-making bussines...

Ok why does every thread i make turn into about me and my tracker lol

Its a general question i am asking, I will not do it, I dont want to know how to keep an eye on it, I do not want to know how to go about it on my tracker, as it will "probably" never happen lol

This happens with every single thread i do on here, and then ppl say i only talk about BCG when its not even me that starts it most of the time lol

i was speaking in general :shifty:
i wasn't refering to you

well i wasnt even replying to you it was to lovestoned.

oh:( my bad then:(

Woops, sorry.

I would do it, it's a great way to donate to the tracker you think you will definitely use.

I have a very simple and maybe harsh look on all this.
I see people mentioning here that selling invites should be allowed if donations aren't met .
I believe when donation-goals aren't met, and the owner/staffers have no funds or the intention to support the tracker themselves they should shut it down.

Why would any tracker-owner/sysop want to continue a tracker that they can't afford, and that it's members don't value that much that they would donate for it. I can't think of any reason not to shut it down than.

I've ssen this so many times ... people starting new trackers and the first and most important thing is all about donations to keep the tracker afloat. Imo if you can afford to keep a tracker in the air than shut it down.

Selling access to trackers takes away every moral authority a tracker could have when claiming they don't want trading. Because selling invites means that the tracker itself is trading invites for money ... every reason to be against trading just disappears than, because selling the invites involves the same risks trading does.

Ok but this is not about selling invites, i do agree with your point on that, but it has nothing really to do with the thread lol

But what about a well established tracker (3+ years old), pick any, where the memberbase drops off because they are closed, recession hits (which it has) donations dries up, owner looses job blah blah blah, should they still just close, or try something different, like what the thread is about for an example.

and i am going to have to reinstate here, incase anyone hasnt got it yet, that is not BCG i am talking about, just a general question about a general tracker that may happen in the future.

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those that do pay to get in, will or i would say will be a 95% chance to be a good member, you are not going to pay and then trade the account, you may pay £5 and then sell the account for £20 though i suppose. You are very unlikely to cheat if you have paid to get in.

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Now for arguments sake lets assume 5 Pounds is not that big a amount ..
I give 5 Pounds then i trade the account because i knw i can get back into the tracker whenever i want just by paying up .. This way the tracker gets more Trade value while maintaing its Level value .. Take for Eg ScT ..
They do not give out invites but u can buy them .. hence u knw that u can always trade invites at anytime just by paying up .. Also u can get back into the site by just offering to pay from ur friends account .. This will pose a security threat no matter which way u look at it ..
By making a site accessible through money u r making a site accessible to whoever who has some spare cash and allowing them to do watever they want to do with that account ..

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I was in this situation when I considered very hard about BTMusic. And it's 20 Euro, not just 5, but I still wanted to pay to get access. But I changed my mind because I knew I could get invite from BTMusic members too.

So I think if trackers really need money and allow people to get in their trackers by paying money, it may work better if those trackers close the invite system permanently.

I've donated in about ten trackers, some for invites, some because I just love the trackers. I have no problems with that kind of things.

But I know that trackers that allow people to get in will be hated by a lot of people. Many members will talk about those trackers with the tag "pay to get in," or "pay to get access." Sometimes, I just feel very annoyed about those kind of bad comments about P2L trackers. I support trackers about the money because they can't have server for free. I remember when ScL changed their donate system and members who donated 40 pounds could get 15GB, and some ScL members were whining and shouting at staff that it was unfair, that ScL became very bad because they allowed P2L. I was very angry but those attitudes and I thought why the f*** they were so serious about 15GB only.

The thing is almost trackers need money from members and they ask members in many ways, and pay to get access or pay to leech are just two kinds of it.

Yes that isnt very good , the ones that have more money can get easier in a tracker an buy invites this way and I think to get in a tracker it doesnt matter how much money you have because there are things in life that are more important and need money , not to join a tracker , maybe when you are in the tracker , then it would be good to donate .

Also if it should be like this , there should be a limit of invites , let's say 10 per month and to be an action for them , to not be an exact price .

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By making a site accessible through money u r making a site accessible to whoever who has some spare cash and allowing them to do watever they want to do with that account ..

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BTW i know i said i did not agree with it, i just love discussions about this sort of stuff, so if i do argue for it, thats just the way i am lol

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If you are a tracker that has built up a very good rep over the years, as the place to get in, 1 of the best places for what it does, again pick a tracker, and they just opened up, they would get about 10,000 members a day, but only about 500 of those would be unique, as in lots of dupe accounts, because they are bound to close again, once closed, sell sell sell, or trade trade trade.

so you could argue that just by opening up, or giving invites for free, we are allowing them to do what they want with that account.

This could work to a Owners advantage (from security perspective) if every member who donates to get in gets his entire IP range banned once he/she is disabled (assuming they have a code in place to figure out the IP even if the user is using a Proxy)

EDIT : just read your post .. I am not a proponent of the open signup theory too .. But i would like to bring to ur notice the Example of ScL and Electronik .. The staff there are very adept at catching the the traders and disabling the traded accounts(watever technique they use) .. Secondly they give out plenty of invites to get in the new blood while continously and ruthlessly weeding out the bad ones ..
This stratergy has two advantages :
1) Since u r actively disabling accounts u always free space for new users (taking the obvious risk of bad seeds)
2) Since u give out invites actively the trade value of the same decreases .. seriously tell me how many trades have u seen for ScL and Electronik .. Since the site is easily available traders wont value it much and eventually the trading will decrease like for the above mentioned trackers

BlackKnight, it's 5 Euros.'

You get 1 week of PU once you're in, but a month if you got 20 Euros.

Well if you would want to make a user to not sign up on a tracker after he gets banned there could be made a virus and but when you click the link for registration a virus to enter you're computer , one undetectable by anti-viruses , and when you get disabled that virus to some harm on your computer or to mark somehow that computer and cant register on a tracker again even with proxy , but this idea wouldn't be good if someone has 2 computers / latpotps.

EDIT : just read your post .. I am not a proponent of the open signup theory too .. But i would like to bring to ur notice the Example of ScL and Electronik .. The staff there are very adept at catching the the traders and disabling the traded accounts(watever technique they use) .. Secondly they give out plenty of invites to get in the new blood while continously and ruthlessly weeding out the bad ones ..
This stratergy has two advantages :
1) Since u r actively disabling accounts u always free space for new users (taking the obvious risk of bad seeds)
2) Since u give out invites actively the trade value of the same decreases .. seriously tell me how many trades have u seen for ScL and Electronik .. Since the site is easily available traders wont value it much and eventually the trading will decrease like for the above mentioned trackers

they only have 1000 frigging members though, thats the bloody difference lol

No, never, under any circumstance.

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Originally Posted by stoi

PS: I do not mean Donating and getting an Invite, I mean actually paying to get access like a few are doing.

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well, i really dont know what to say both for staff members and random members...
you probably talking about tracker policy cuz some ppl talked about Btmusic...
well point of Btmusic there is 20 k torrent and all of these files rip'd by their members from orginal cd.There is a rule at tracker if you will upload an album it must be your work(your rip from orginal source)...
and there is amazon advertisement at the tracker "Do you like music on our Tracker? Buy it on Amazon.com ( click! ) and support us!" and you can simple see "buy album if you can" at the end of torrent page...
well to be honest welldone to btmusic cuz they are really know what about sharing...
think about scene stealers(0-day,scene tracker) they are stealing scene's shit and uploading their tracker aftter that they are baheve like this is their own shit and if a member upload to abother tracker they're banning him/her/it look at these lol. dont steal my shit stolen by me lol.... and they're opening the donation bars at christmas and they are all giving invites to who donate tracker and after that saying ohh we are not like "X" selling invites lol. just fun there' no much...

well at least btmusic selling their own shit and there is a support link of orginal source from a dedicated selling site..

well scene always say support it if you will use it or like it and we are just doing this for fun...

and stoi you cant separate donations or tracker policy

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Originally Posted by stoi

Ok why does every thread i make turn into about me and my tracker lol

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well now its turn to Btmusic :P lol.

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Originally Posted by Polarbear

when i rent a seedbox, can i get files to my computer faster?

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ok, then it doesn't make much sense for me to rent one.

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Originally Posted by Polarbear

never pay for warez - enough said.

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and we are loving fst's polarbear:P

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ofc wrong i am agree with you, no doubt i just wanted to mean at least
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Ok but even then, they are making cash by doing it from their users work, not their work.

its still wrong in my eyes

Lovestone I am on same site but I never have had to pay a cent to any tracker to get in or get my ratio improved.

So I am against anyone selling invites even the tracker themself If I am there its because I have earned it in someway. by being a good user and getting to know the folks I am in a community with

I CBA'ed to wait for a friend to give me one during that time, my father had wanted the KISS in the original CD format and he made a promise that if I got it he will get me something I've always wanted.

It's just another way to support the tracker, if it's not for the members who donate then who will be the ones paying for the server?

The staffs themselves can pay once or twice but they aren't that rich to pay continuously.

While I don't think anyone should ever pay for access to files Many of us along with torrent downloading do pay for Usenet access. I pay the $20 a month and cant really complain so maybe it's not so far fetched an idea. I know someone will come along and say well you're paying for the news server but the truth is paying this guy or paying that guy doesn't matter at all as long as I get the goods :)

I'm not really uderstanding what you are asking, so I'll answer the best way I can.

I have donated to get on a small tracker Ozone-T to get an invite, but the price was nothing really so I didn't mind at all.

Now, would I donate to a site like FTN/PTN you get in? Sure, I would.

But......for me to do so, I would have to really trust & believe the person who will be handling my money, and that part isn't really gonna happen. Bcuz, it takes a lot for me to trust someone in the real world, imagine in the net world.

To sum it up: Yes, I would but highly unlikely I will given the chance.

so why do it for Ozone-T if anything i would rather trust Brandon off FTN as i do not have a clue who runs O-T or desi T or any others that do this.

so i just dont see your point, O-T to me is not a well established tracker, to me i had never heard of it till a thread was posted here the other day, which in turn made me think about this thread in all honesty.

so i dont understand why you would do it for a tracker no one has heard off (for all i know it may be excellent, i have just nevr heard of it) rather than a well established tracker like FTN or suchlike.

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To sum it up: Yes, I would but highly unlikely I will given the chance

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and hmm you did to O-T lol

I think paying for invites or anything like that goes against the fundamentals of file sharing (thats why im not on usenet or rapid share), also when money is involved u gonna expect a lot of heat. If there are profits to be made, u know there is gonna be someone watching, and u will become a sitting target.

Also this idea of 'stealing', i think when u start to make money out of invites, u r effectively accepting a payment for someone to use your product (your website) vizave u r simply now stealing someone elses work to make money (u r no more better then the guy selling knock off dvds to you in the street). However if u r distributing someone elses work for free because u like there work and u think everyone should share in this enjoyment, then i think its not so bad.

lol i might not of explained myself brilliantly but i hope u get jist of what im trying to say.

well I've only ever paid to get into one tracker and that was pedro's, when i got there i was really disappointed but I still DL and Seed just to keep my account so it isnt a waste of money

the people who buy invites from ebay and other seller sites are idiots how can somebody pay 50 euros/dollars for a invite ... you must be a moron...

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To sum it up: Yes, I would but highly unlikely I will given the chance

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and hmm you did to O-T lol

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I really didn't get most of your reply, so I'll just answer this one.

I got Ozone-T from their site. If you go to their site, it says something like you wanna be a member? Click the link, and donate.

See, I didn't have to trust my money to someone, just the site it self. Big difference

I donated to Ozoone-T cuz the site looked cool & I heard it have a really nice section of TV DVDRips seasons.

What??

pml that is what this entire thread is about, you are confusing the fuck out of me atm mate lol someone help lol

PS: who do you think that cash goes to, the site? lol it has to go to someone to pay the bills, so how can you trust that someone when you dont know who the fuck they are.