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We all know of BitMeTV, as one of the elite sites.
You know, like a legitimate elite site, not one of these new sites, that pop up, and try to have that status, by only sparingly pass out invites, and getting pissed when you mention their acronym, Seriously? :rolleyes:
But to anyone that has an account there, does anyone feel, that the site has gone down hill recently in the amount of seeds/activity/torrents being uploaded?
I know staff reads the forum, something needs to be changed....
Wow. You're a member of an elite site. And not just any elite site. A legitimate elite site.
Maybe I should just bow down to you right now.
A lot of the older top trackers are suffering from a decline in activity. The current tracker community is being flooded by dozens of new sites every month, and lots of people leave their older accounts inactive as they try out the next new big thing.
BitMeTV's greatest strength has become its greatest weakness. The site is rather hard to seed back older content for home users. This meant there was a huge incentive for home users to seed torrents for a long time (or forever), giving the site great retention on rare content. Unfortunately, with the recent rise in cheap seedboxes and ratioless trackers, many people who would normally seed for a long time have stopped doing so, since they can either buy a cheap seedbox for a month a buffer a few hundred GB for a month then leech for a long time, or they can just download most stuff from a ratioless tracker and not worry about having to seed much if anything back. The sharp rise in popularity and membership of BTN is a testament to this. The site is not even a year old and has already nearly 18k members.
That comment could be seen as insulting if I didn't know you were being sincere.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rart
Btw can someone please give me a list of the legitimate elite sites so in my ignorance I don't go joining a counterfeit and download a bunch of stuff or enjoy myself while inadvertently belonging to any .
Thanx in advance.
PS community ones preferably as I usually find a lot of worthwhile threads and intelligent dialogue on them.
Good point made bro, isnt there anything that these hard to seed on trackers could do make it otherwise?Quote:
Originally Posted by chrisbeebops
EDIT: If there is then why dont they?
Yea, open registration, or do what TL does and give away a million invites...
You know speaking of which, as big as TL is, I'm surprised they haven't caught any heat...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCkLEo-DT1QQuote:
Originally Posted by whatcdfan
Increasing the no of members will increase the peer activity on the tracker making it easy to seed on...............agreed but it will demotivate the members to upload their own stuff on the tracker therefore defying a trackers ambition to have the big/bigger library of content.Quote:
Originally Posted by EyeCandy
One more measure to sort the problem could be "freeleech" but then again it will arise the problem of demotivating the members to upload torrents, for the trackers which are dependent on their members to upload torrents like what/waffles ETC
I once read on what.cd FAQ's "If we put freeleech once a week or twice a month it will defy our purpose if being here", the only thing i could make out of it is that they want to remain as "hard to seed on" tracker which will motivate people to upload as many torrents as they can.
The only wrong with that theory is that BitMeTV has a Donate for Ratio policy....
If you're elite in ShitMETV why you bother yourself about down hill, just brag among your n00bs.
I don't use the site daily, so I cant speak to activity on new releases too much, but when I do grab a new show, its usually seeded back within a day or two, and I don't jump on the stuff right away either.
I jumped on an old show pack added early 2009 to the site, and in the past 8 days, i've uploaded 3GB back from it. I'd say the activity is fine from my point of view.
Hard to seed? I don't think so. Does it take longer then a few days sometimes on old stuff? Well yea, you only upload when people decide they want that old show. Thats just how it goes on sites like this, it takes time, but its not hard in any way shape or form to just let something seed.
Edit: to the comment below. I'm a home connection user. Never donated, never had a seedbox. My ratio is very healthy at bitmetv.
Of course there are. Expand the userbase, relax ratio requirements, introduce a bonus system, implement something similar to BCG's SP system or What.CD's requirements, are some of many things they could do to spurn activity.Quote:
Originally Posted by whatcdfan
But will they? Of course not. Plenty of people have posted on the forums complaining of how hard it is to seed there, but the staff have been staunch on the fact that their ratio system is working as intended.
It's simple cause and effect: if it's hard to seed there, people will attempt to find ways to seed. They'll either do one of two things - get a seedbox or donate. And as more people get seedboxes, it'll be even harder to seed, resulting in even more people donating. It's a great way to sustain a steady flow of cash, and it's a vicious cycle that'll never really solve itself without action on the staff's part.
And in addition, the notorious level of difficulty of seeding at BMTV and the extremely high ratio of seedbox users promotes a perceived sense of elitism ever so pervasive in the minds of people like the OP, resulting in less people leaving to far superior sites like TVT.
It's a win-win situation from BMTV, so why would they change it?
http://filesharingtalk.com/threads/4...=1#post3548716Quote:
Originally Posted by EyeCandy
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Originally Posted by RartQuote:
Originally Posted by whatcdfan
Of course there are. Expand the userbase, relax ratio requirements, introduce a bonus system, implement something similar to BCG's SP system or What.CD's requirements, are some of many things they could do to spurn activity.See post #7 which is also better than trance.
But will they? Of course not. Plenty of people have posted on the forums complaining of how hard it is to seed there, but the staff have been staunch on the fact that their ratio system is working as intended.
It's simple cause and effect: if it's hard to seed there, people will attempt to find ways to seed. They'll either do one of two things - get a seedbox or donate. And as more people get seedboxes, it'll be even harder to seed, resulting in even more people donating. It's a great way to sustain a steady flow of cash, and it's a vicious cycle that'll never really solve itself without action on the staff's part.
And in addition, the notorious level of difficulty of seeding at BMTV and the extremely high ratio of seedbox users promotes a perceived sense of elitism ever so pervasive in the minds of people like the OP, resulting in less people leaving to far superior sites like TVT.
It's a win-win situation from BMTV, so why would they change it?
Pressing "Thank you" buttonQuote:
Originally Posted by Rart
both btn & bitmetv ratio systems are retarded, btn is better for fresh shit, bmtv - for older, good ratio system should combine their advantages and be easy for new stuff while encouraging seeding of the older content /and making it relatively easily availible to leech for those who keep it seeded/. i consider it as one of the plagues of private bt trackers that all kind of "credits" on new stuff is almost everywhere considered equal to "credits" on older/rarer thingsQuote:
Originally Posted by chrisbeebops
(@Idol) Sorry I've pretty much stopped listening to anything Canadians have to say. I think it's healthier for me that way.
And I tend to get distracted a lot mid post. And do other shit without coming back to read the thread. And I'm just slow. Don't make fun of me. I'm also glad I missed that post, as that video was utter shite. As to be expected.
It's not to say it's impossible, but if you're maintaining a healthy ratio and are downloading all the files you actually want on a home connection, you're in a vast minority. That's not to say one has to "cherry pick" the files they download just to maintain a ratio, as you mentioned you have downloaded some packs and started seeding them back just fine. However, my guess is that you're not seeding them at even close to the speeds you would get at other, easier to seed trackers. When you have to carefully and meticulously, even severely limit the files you want to download in order to maintain that hard earned ratio, it really takes the enjoyment out of actually consuming the content you just downloaded. I also wouldn't really consider any recent content to be a good measure of the ability to maintain a ratio, as that kind of is contrary to the point of using such a niche tracker in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tokeman
If you give bonus points or ease ratio requirements on older stuff, there would be less seeders, since the people on the older stuff would not have any incentive to keep seeding (IE reaching 1/1). This would mean less older content available and at less speeds as well IMO. Of course that isn't always the case, but thats what I would see happening if they changed their system. As I said earlier, the system is not flawed, people just want everything right away, and on older stuff, that just doesn't happen when seeding back. It takes time, get used it it, or move onto another site, you will not be missed.
The old pack I downloaded came in at full speed, maxing out my downstream, and I'm quite content with the 3+GB that I have uploaded in the past few days. Quite good on a pack almost 2 years old.
Almost all the stuff I grab is older as well.
Edit: Ok, I do get that I am in the minority, as I do not use bitmetv daily and download masses of stuff. But IMO bitmetv is about finding those shows you can't find elsewhere, and really, how many of those packs do you need to download every week? Maybe thats why I do not have a hard time, I only download what I'm ready to watch, I don't download just to download or to amass a huge TV collection for the future.
you don't get it. i'm not saying that ratio system should receive another bonuses, it will just ruin ratio economy. but if some tracker will do let's say 2x upload for original uploader, .1 download / .1 upload for the first week of the torrent life and then increasing to 1/1 maybe step by step for all other guys, it will definitely benefit long term seeders and will hit at seedboxers with their buffer to the max and then hit'n'run for life philosophy.... ....and promote uploaders too. if there will be to few seedboxes that it'll start to hurt initial swarm speed, those .1 factors can always be regulated one way or another. why the hell the only tracker that i know that gives bonuses for uploaders is a rutracker (where those bonuses aren't needed that much anyway) what i proposed is quite simple and i'm sure there are more optimal ways of doing it but still...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tokeman
bmtv system was less flawed until freeleech opportunities started to appear, but it's a new world of some kind and either way old sites will modify themselves or they'll go to stagnation in the best case
I am not a member of BitmeTV but surely its.
A: The uploaders can only upload shows that are not already on the tracker, as its a few years old and they have packs, the chances of finding anything is slim to none that they dont have.
B: Most members dont want to upload, shame but true.
C: They have basically been closed for ages (and are specialized), yes a few invites giving out here and there, but the memberbase has everything they could want that is already on the tracker, so they dont bother downloading as much from it anymore, especially old shows.
D: there are not millions of users that use private trackers, its probably a hard core of 20,000 (and thats being generous) and these are usually in at least another 10 trackers, and probably 2-3 accounts on most of the big ones, so they use other sites/dont use others etc etc
Obviously i am taking my experience with BCG into this, but we have 45,000 members, only about 12,000 unique peers, but 150,000 seeders and only about 2,000 leechers, its just getting a lot harder (and that is with our SP system) to get members that A: download, and B: stay for awhile and keep downloading, and we have been open a hell of a lot recently, but its the same protagonists that usually get in. I just think we are very similar apart from us being open and having a system in place to help older torrents (and newer ones as well).
By packs I was referencing your post, not my own downloading habits. I'm not sure if you meant packs as in the conventional sense of "packs" like on 0day sites, or packs as in TV seasons, but in my experience, when downloading seasons of TV shows (what is that, ~6-8 gigs give or take), it takes me weeks and weeks of purely seeding BMTV torrents to even have a chance of seeding it back, and even then it's not guaranteed. And these are on more recent, modern TV shows, imagine how hard it would be on older, more obscure shows? Maybe you're getting lucky with your show selection and how much interest they garner at BMTV, but given the general sense of the FST and BMTV forums, I would assume that your seeding success is a definite minority.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tokeman
And at that point, it really isn't even fun anymore. When you're spending more time worrying about whether you can "afford" to download a season (and no, I don't mean constantly downloading packs, I mean downloading a season of a TV show once every few weeks) than actually viewing the content you download, what's the point?
While introducing things such as seedpoints certainly do raise concerns of torrent longevity, ultimately the biggest factor in torrent longevity is simply activity. If more people are willing to jump on to a torrent because it won't as drastically impact their ratio, it'll tend to outnumber the losses you'd get from those who don't feel the need to seed the file anymore. The perfect example of this is TVT: while there are absolutely no seeding length requirements and you can hit n run as much as you like without repercussions, I consistently see 5-6 times as many seeders on obscure season packs than on BMTV, not to mention that simply put a lot of the time those season packs are dead and abandoned on BMTV. Why is retention on TVT better, even though it has absolutely no rules on hitnrunning? It's because the sheer amount of peer activity resulting from an easy to seed environment (helped by things such as 1.5x upload bonus for seeders) far overcompensates for the amount of people that drop off a torrent because they have no motivation to continue seeding it.
There's a lot of things I find wrong with BMTV these days after a long time of being the best site in my books. Here's some:
- The site is stagnant, nothing happens. New features, new code, new anything is non-existent. It's the same boring forum contest every few months and nothing else. The owners and developers show absolutely no interest in keeping the site relevant or fresh. And no, I don't consider "Previews" a new feature... it's just a bloody forum with YouTube links, woopty doo.
- Seeding is not hard, and it never was. From a 1mbit upload in Australia I was more than capable of getting a 1TB buffer, so all the nonsense about how hard it is to keep a ratio there is just that, nonsense.
- There's never been very good quality control, there's a lot of dupe uploads and a lot of bad rips that don't get replaced or removed.
- Given the age and size of the site the current userclass system is dated and obsolete. They need to revamp the system entirely or introduce new userclasses.
- They can't even give you a snatch list in your profile. The code/site keeps track of all uploads and downloads, surely it's not hard to insert a link listing them all.
- The site still falls over and crawls during prime time season when releases are at their highest point.
- The Top 10 hasn't worked for as long as I can remember, going on 3 years.
The only thing they seem do is keep the site online and manage the client whitelist, not much else appears to be happening. If they don't change it, BTN will esily take over very soon and they are well on their way to doing so now. I give it 2-3 more months and BTN will be the new king of TV trackers.
it is a very good site, but the competition with tvt.ro, btn and tvt.com is very tough....
There s more in your post that I disagree with but those being more your opinion I won't comment on ,however......There must be two sites named BitMeTV then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Six66Mike
Besides the fact that in a system that is simply about whether you can download basically the exact same files from one place or another it's silly to want to call any "the king" if you choose to do so at least caveat it with "for those caring about userclasses or "walls' or "stamps" or " pointlessly pretty pictures" or their "pecking order" in the bt world" .Otherwise if you just want to find which TV shows you wish to view and watch them with a minimum of fuss or worry then , as Rart said , TVT is clearly just as good.:unsure:Quote:
Originally Posted by Six66Mike
Btw I'm an extremely competitive person I just don't see the point in competing over things that in effect serve the same purpose.
This is probably the biggest thing that I agree with you on. They need to change/maintain with the times. I mean even torrentleech has done a major overhaul. Nothing has changed on that site in the past 5+ five years, to keep it fresh or renovating. One way I've noticed the user base has gone downhill, when almost no one competed in the Christmas banner competition, unlike two years ago; when they had to expand the time frame, this time around.Quote:
Originally Posted by Six66Mike
They'll be like myspace, not make any changes and let the next biggest thing (facebook/BTN/TVT) take over, and when they try to make changes. It'll be too late...
Bzzzzzzzz...WrongQuote:
- Seeding is not hard, and it never was. From a 1mbit upload in Australia I was more than capable of getting a 1TB buffer, so all the nonsense about how hard it is to keep a ratio there is just that, nonsense.
Not something I particularly care about, I mean shit on BCG, everyone is pretty much a fuckin user or a piece of shit. They did away with Power User, etc.Quote:
- Given the age and size of the site the current userclass system is dated and obsolete. They need to revamp the system entirely or introduce new userclasses.
Which to me shows they don't maintain their code, even with all the money they make being a donate for ratio site...Quote:
- The Top 10 hasn't worked for as long as I can remember, going on 3 years.
:unsure:Quote:
Originally Posted by Six66Mike
As Idol said, not sure which BMTV you're talking about...
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Originally Posted by Six66Mike
I've only been actively using private torrents for around a ~year and a half so I won't pretend to know what it was like before then, but at least from what I've seen, BMTV isn't and never has been any sort of "king" at all. When TVT surpasses BMTV is every objective manner you could possibly think of (peers, retention, selection of shows), the only thing that BMTV has over sites like TVT is the sheer amount of elitism surrounding the site that seems to give it some perceived sense of superiority over other torrent sites. Unfortunately, TVT isn't rare or elite, so it clearly isn't as good as BMTV, at least in the eyes of the average torrenter.Quote:
Originally Posted by EyeCandy
Oh shit... and my class is "Elite" there, meaning I'm the Elite of the Elite. Fucking bow down to me now.Quote:
Originally Posted by EyeCandy
:lol:
Seriously though, this entire thread is useless. If you want to inspire change, man up and post something in their forums instead of here behind a pseudonym.
Yea, BitMeTV is one of those ban-happy, kick from IRC for idling too long, take all of your invites, change your title cause I didn't like what you said in IRC...Hence their holier than though, elite attitutde...Quote:
Originally Posted by ca_aok
Why is a user a piece of shit?Quote:
Not something I particularly care about, I mean shit on BCG, everyone is pretty much a fuckin user or a piece of shit. They did away with Power User, etc.
strange comment.
and why is a Power user so much better than a user?
I said user OR a piece of shit...Quote:
Originally Posted by stoi
And if you're kitty litter, you have a piece of shit icon, a pile of dung.....
And the way you have your site, but not so much power user isn't better...
But Power Users have that since of pride, that they maintain their ratio above and beyond 1:1, they have access to certain parts of forums, like VIP, talking about other trackers, giveaway to other site invites....but your site isnt ran like that
Its to get members to strive to get out of KL not just sit there and stay there. (and sorry i didnt notice the OR)
so 2 members.
A: join, download 2 brand new torrents with a seedbox (or cheat, or donate to get the gigs) upload 450 gig on each (its possible) download another 100 torrents, hit and run all of them, have a ratio of about 2-3 with an average seeding time of 2 days = PU
B: Join download what they want, seed everything that they download for days/weeks/months, have a ratio of 1.0 or just less but with 100+ torrents downloaded, and an AST of 30-200 days, yes they have some hit and runs (as in torrents under 1 not grab and piss off) (and i am talking about a global ratio site here) and some torrents above 1 but all torrents they have seeded to the best of their ability = User
That is why we got rid of PU, SPU, VIP for donors and everything else, because it was just wrong imho and its a false economy. an PU/SPU could just be a prick with a seedbox their daddy bought them, or a cheater, it does not mean they are a good user.
We talk about other trackers and give away invites here too and might I add equally as pointlessly.Quote:
Originally Posted by EyeCandy
Also please give me , besides begging for invites at places other than this one , the actual pluses of the seemingly important userclass restricted forums you belong to. :unsure:
I think the whole idea of restricting access to parts of a tracker should only be applicable if it involves security and even then it's sort of farcical given the apparent number of traders/sellers that buffer accounts to increase their value.
All in all wouldn't your time be better spent considering why you feel the need to seek approval from strangers on the internet instead of pondering the necessary attributes that will get you into such lofty sections.
If you think seeding on BMTV is hard you clearly aren't doing it right. As I said, proper 1mbit upload speed, Australian bandwidth and quota, I did more than alright for myself. It's pathetic how easy it is to build a ratio by either 1) being patient 2) seeding for a long time and 3) using RSS. 3 different ways to not be a complete idiot, apparently that's too hard for many people. It's not a hard site to seed on and I get ridiculously tired reading about it.
And ca_aok I've posted numerous suggestions in the forum and spoken to Q, there's no interest to change anything. Posting any further about it seems pointless, both here & there.
I was just thinking about this especially after the "ratio booster event" BMTV had a few weeks before. I've been a member for close to two years and this was the first time I've ever witness some sort of freeleech event. I assumed it because BMTV had recognized BTN as a rival and this event was perhaps a consolation to their remaining active members.
To me BMTV is like a stubborn old man refusing to budge and persistently thinking its way is the best. Whereas BTN is like a youthful adolescent not afraid of change and willing to explore in order to improve. Unless BMTV makes new changes or implements new features, it is likely in the near future that BTN would dethrone BMTV as king of the TV trackers.
As they say "stupid is as stupid does" but I don't see how you managed as claimedwithout the help of your many seedboxes on the low traffic caps that Aussies were /are saddled with .Quote:
Originally Posted by Six66Mike
Me no doubt just being an idiot again but the math simply doesn't add up.:unsure:
Who said anything about a seedbox? I was a BMTV user a long time before I had any seedbox. Can you not read? The buffer was atleast 1TB built on a 1mbit connection.
So yes, clearly you must be an idiot if you can't manage a good ratio on this site.
Perhaps you're the one who should learn to read again before being so quick to insult someone?Quote:
Originally Posted by Six66Mike
He asked how could you possibly maintain such a buffer without using a seedbox. In now way, shape, or form did Idol ever say that you stated you had a seedbox.
:rolleyes:Quote:
So yes, clearly you must be an idiot if you can't manage a good ratio on this site.
So yes, the 99% percent of users that don't get a terabyte buffer on sites like BMTV on a home connection are clearly complete idiots. Please stop talking out your ass.
And the fact that you're the owner of a very prominent seedbox reselling company adds absolutely no credibility to your post.
If merely lacking the ability to do something ,whatever it may be , that another person in the world finds "simple " makes us idiots then I'm afraid we are all doomed to idiocy then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Six66Mike
Oh well some of us are affable idiots at least .
Where was his question, I don't see one. I see a comment, a statement, not a question.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rart
And I don't see how running Fastsh.it has anything to do about my credibility? Fastsh.it started March 2009, long after I had a solid ratio on BMTV.
If you don't believe me that's fine just stop complaining because you can't manage a ratio.
Hmmm.. Why so serious?