Saving Private Ryan

Some stations are refusing to air Saving Private Ryan tonight. They are claiming fear of FCC fines, "bad" words, etc. This movie has aired on TV twice before. Amazing. I think the truth is, the opening scenes are extremely graphic...they show horrendous injuries, and a pretty realistic picture of war. I think they don't want people to see it..you know, the whole..demoralizing thing.
I think this is an insult to Veterans, and people's intelligence.

Surely they could have shown the "sanitized" version for those who won't face truth?

Mind you, a 15 minute movie isn't going to be much use at holding their attention, it's far too long. ;)

LOL. The agreement with Spielberg is absolutely no editing. I've read several news reports, and they do cite the Iraq war as one of the reasons.

The station here says there not airing cause of the fear of FCC, realting to the Janet Jackson scandel.
I feel its an insult to the Veterens...my God there are over 100 stations if you dont want to watch it, change the station!!!
All this policaly correct stuff...WTF

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Originally Posted by CNN

Janice Wise, spokeswoman for the FCC's enforcement bureau, said it had received calls from broadcasters asking if the film would run afoul of the agency's indecency rules. Wise said the commission was barred from making a decision before the broadcast "because that would be censorship."
"If we get a complaint, we'll act on it," she said.

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So broadcasters have to take a chance..that nobody will complain... seeing as this is a land that burns Harry Potter books i guess nothing can be shown without risk.....

It's a friggin' movie, get over it. If you want to see it, rent it, buy it, or download it. The thought of this will not cross your mind in a month. Maybe the next time they don't show the Simpsons because of some football or baseball game I should bitch and moan as well.

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Originally Posted by Comic_Peddler

It's a friggin' movie, get over it. If you want to see it, rent it, buy it, or download it. The thought of this will not cross your mind in a month. Maybe the next time they don't show the Simpsons because of some football or baseball game I should bitch and moan as well.

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Tell you what, when they don't show the Simpsons out of fear of the FCC you can bitch and moan.

Good Post and good point, Comic Peddler. Thanks

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Originally Posted by ruthie

Some stations are refusing to air Saving Private Ryan tonight. They are claiming fear of FCC fines, "bad" words, etc. This movie has aired on TV twice before. Amazing. I think the truth is, the opening scenes are extremely graphic...they show horrendous injuries, and a pretty realistic picture of war. I think they don't want people to see it..you know, the whole..demoralizing thing.
I think this is an insult to Veterans, and people's intelligence.

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Yes, how insensitive of the networks to think that peoples' children are in harms way at this second and it may not be in their interest at this time just to see how violently their children could die tonight.

We can watch a movie about cancer and slow death, but we don't show this film to cancer patients.

We must not show a movie blind of current events.

Duh!

And how does this insult anyones intelligence? Mothers don't want to see how their children may die tonight.

In times of peace, these scenes are more abstract to the viewers.

Are you not aware of this?

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Originally Posted by scroff

Tell you what, when they don't show the Simpsons out of fear of the FCC you can bitch and moan.

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Fear of the FCC keeps you from seeing shows that simply are nothing but veiled porn, yet you make no grumble of this.

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Originally Posted by comic peddler

Fear of the FCC keeps you from seeing hard core porn, yet you make no grumble of this.

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Saving Private Ryan isn't hard core porn... and I really wouldn't care if they did show hard core porn.

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Originally Posted by hobbes

Yes, how insensitive of the networks to think that people's children are in harms way at this second and it may not be in their interest at this time just to see how violently their children could die tonight.

We can watch a movie about cancer and slow death, but we don't show this film to cancer patients.

We must not show a movie blind of current events.

Duh!

And how does this insult anyones intelligence? Mothers don't want to see how their children may die tonight.

In times of peace, these scenes are more abstract to the viewers.

Are you not aware of this?

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If they don't want to see how horribly their children might die tonight, they can change the channel. Or... maybe we should just ignore the realities of how their children might die tonight, sugar coat it with Return to Mayberry, numb the brain totally, why not?

Aw hell, lets let the Federal government make all our decisions for us... let's just have one channel

It is all about context, get it?

Scroff why don't you go tell a story about terminal cancer at the cancer ward. You don't do that do you?

It is 1 frickin' movie, there are others that can be shown.

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Originally Posted by hobbes

Yes, how insensitive of the networks to think that people's children are in harms way at this second and it may not be in their interest at this time just to see how violently their children could die tonight.

We can watch a movie about cancer and slow death, but we don't show this film to cancer patients.

We must not show a movie blind of current events.

Duh!

And how does this insult anyones intelligence? Mothers don't want to see how their children may die tonight.

In times of peace, these scenes are more abstract to the viewers.

Are you not aware of this?

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People have the ability to change the channel. I think no parent wants to think of how their child might die tonight..
.nonetheless, it might happen. I don't think the FCC should be making decision as to what is in the best interest of the nation...according to them.

Vietnam brought pictures home to America...the reality was in the paper and on the TV. Should that have been censored?

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Originally Posted by ruthie

People have the ability to change the channel. I think no parent wants to think of how their child might die tonight..
.nonetheless, it might happen. I don't think the FCC should be making decision as to what is in the best interest of the nation...according to them.

Vietnam brought pictures home to America...the reality was in the paper and on the TV. Should that have been censored?

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You people are so far up your own asses you can't even appreciate situations in which the reality of war is not the best option.

Nobody is talking government controlled TV, nobody is removing this movie from Blockbuster, they are just choosing a different option based on the current circumstances.

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Originally Posted by hobbes

It is all about context, get it?

Scroff why don't you go tell a story about terminal cancer at the cancer ward. You don't do that do you?

It is 1 frickin' movie, there are others that can be shown.

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If the fricken patients had a choice of whether or not they wanted to hear it I would. When my mother died of lung cancer this year the Hospice workers did indeed tell us a story about cancer, and dying...

It's not about context... the networks weren't pre-empting it out of any empty concern for the mothers of America, but because of Janet Jackson's nipple. Get it right.

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Originally Posted by scroff

If the fricken patients had a choice of whether or not they wanted to hear it I would. When my mother died of lung cancer this year the Hospice workers did indeed tell us a story about cancer, and dying...

It's not about context... the networks weren't pre-empting it out of any empty concern for the mothers of America, but because of Janet Jackson's nipple. Get it right.

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If you had any insight, you might choose a different story.

You and Ruthie and your sickening political agenda have turned this neutral person, and voter for Kerry, completely against you.

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Originally Posted by scroff

If they don't want to see how horribly their children might die tonight, they can change the channel. Or... maybe we should just ignore the realities of how their children might die tonight, sugar coat it with Return to Mayberry, numb the brain totally, why not?

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I cannot imagine, Scroff, a hate so big and so totally consuming that it allows you no compassion for your fellow Americans.

Do you not have any sense of the fact that these parents already know what you want to stuff down their faces?

They are living with it every day.

Funny how you support our troops so dearly, but at the same time wish this type of thing on the parents that love them.

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Originally Posted by hobbes

You people are so far up your own asses you can't even appreciate situations in which the reality of war is not the best option.

Nobody is talking government controlled TV, nobody is removing this movie from Blockbuster, they are just choosing a different option based on the current circumstances.

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Who are you to decide what the best option is? People can decide for themselves what the best option is through their remote. I don't know about you, but I choose to make my own decisions.

As far as the reality of war, like you said, it's a fricken movie, get over it.

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Originally Posted by scroff

Who are you to decide what the best option is? People can decide for themselves what the best option is through their remote. I don't know about you, but I choose to make my own decisions.

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Then rent the movie.

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Originally Posted by scroff

It's not about context... the networks weren't pre-empting it out of any empty concern for the mothers of America, but because of Janet Jackson's nipple. Get it right.

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Now the truth comes out??? Funny, this was not mentioned at all in the original post in this thread. :)

Quite frankly, if you can't understand how a movie, that was aired twice before, was not shown again, given the current situation in Iraq, then you have disconnected from reality for the sole purpose of your agendas.

I know that Ruthie was going to leave the US if she had the cash. Good thing that money was more important than principle, for her.

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Originally Posted by hobbes

You people are so far up your own asses you can't even appreciate situations in which the reality of war is not the best option.

Nobody is talking government controlled TV, nobody is removing this movie from Blockbuster, they are just choosing a different option based on the current circumstances.

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Do you really think that everyone with a family member in Iraq objects to this movie? By your reasoning, today, Veterans Day, not one war movie should be aired that might be graphic because it is, perhaps, painful? War is a horror, and that is reality.
You might believe that the reality of war is not the best option...that's your choice, but that might not be the choice of others.

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I cannot imagine, Scroff, a hate so big and so totally consuming that it allows you no compassion for your fellow Americans.

Do you not have any sense of the fact that these parents already know what you want to stuff down their faces?

They are living with it every day.

Funny how you support our troops so dearly, but at the same time wish this type of thing on the parents that love them.

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You gotta be kidding me??? Hate?? Change the channel!! What's so hard to understand about that? We're not talking about Clockwork Orange here, no one will be forced to sit and watch Saving Private Ryan, they're adults, they can make a choice.

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Originally Posted by Everose

Now the truth comes out??? Funny, this was not mentioned at all in the original post in this thread. :)

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What original post are you reading? It specifically said "They are claiming fear of FCC fines, "bad" words, etc" or didn't you see that part?

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Originally Posted by scroff

What original post are you reading? It specifically said "They are claiming fear of FCC fines, "bad" words, etc" or didn't you see that part?

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Yeah, but you have to see through the words to the meaning.
Saving Private Ryan may be a better option next year.

Shaving Ryans Privaes was better IMO.

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Originally Posted by scroff

If they don't want to see how horribly their children might die tonight, they can change the channel. Or... maybe we should just ignore the realities of how their children might die tonight, sugar coat it with Return to Mayberry, numb the brain totally, why not?






I cannot imagine, Scroff, a hate so big and so totally consuming that it allows you no compassion for your fellow Americans.

Do you not have any sense of the fact that these parents already know what you want to stuff down their faces?

They are living with it every day.

Funny how you support our troops so dearly, but at the same time wish this type of thing on the parents that love them.

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Don't read what isn't there. A hate so big? What is it you think Scroff, or I for that matter, hate? No compassion for fellow americans? that's out of left field. I do not recall saying everyone should watch this movie. the issue is choice, the freedom to decide. Stuff down their faces? What script are you reading?
It is Veterans Day...hello...Veterans Day. John McCain introduced the film tonight with a Veteran who was there...when he was 19. It would seem you would find him an insensitive ass too. too much

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Originally Posted by hobbes

Quite frankly, if you can't understand how a movie, that was aired twice before, was not shown again, given the current situation in Iraq, then you have disconnected from reality for the sole purpose of your agendas.

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Quite frankly, I just think the average American is capable of deciding for themselves and changing the channel if they so choose, if you don't think that's true, then I suggest you have a little more faith in the average American, unless you really think they're that stupid that they'll sit there and forget about the remote.

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I know that Ruthie was going to leave the US if she had the cash. Good thing that money was more important than principle, for her.

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Some of us, Hobbsey, don't have enough cash to move... some of us just have enough cash to live. Myself, I plan to stay and fix stupid shit like this.

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Originally Posted by hobbes

Yeah, but you have to see through the words to the meaning.
Saving Private Ryan may be a better option next year.

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The "option" is up to the individual viewer.

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Originally Posted by scroff

You gotta be kidding me??? Hate?? Change the channel!! What's so hard to understand about that? We're not talking about Clockwork Orange here, no one will be forced to sit and watch Saving Private Ryan, they're adults, they can make a choice.

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No thanks, no changing the channel for me. I voted for Kerry, but I will never buy into your hate agenda. Yours or anyone elses for that matter.

What is the hate agenda? You might be right, you might be wrong. LOL

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Originally Posted by Everose

No thanks, no changing the channel for me. I voted for Kerry, but I will never buy into your hate agenda. Yours or anyone elses for that matter.

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No changing the channel??? Well, hell, if people can't even work a remote I guess they do need the FCC to tell them what to watch. I'm sorry for those people.

Again, it is Veterans Day. Has everyone forgotten the Veterans? Are we not supposed to honor them? Should we wait til we are out of Iraq to show these types of movies? That isn't realistic. Should we just cancel Veterans Day til the war is over? This is being shown tonight BECAUSE it's Veterans Day.

I am not angry at Ruthie and Scroff, just disappointed.

There is no mandate that a certain movie needs to be aired on Veterans day and there is no censorship on that movie. It is available at any movie rental store.

A network may have decided that based on the current events that such a movie would have received poor viewings and cost them money, so they changed the programming. Just like airing a hardcore porn movie would have done them no favors.

This not censorship, but business.

The reasons they cited were politcal not reality, it is actually quite simple.

You can change the channel if you wish, but if the airing network is afraid that the show it airs will offend viewers and cause low ratings, the show will not be aired.

It is like the documentary on Ronald Reagan that was made. The test audience found it offensive and the entire movie was thrown away. That is the nature of business. Certain climates allow some things that another may not.

I am sure this movie will see air time again, it is the context of the war that has changed programming. Anyone who believes the excuse about the FCC is a simpleton.

And scroffsey, you want "faith in the American viewer".

1) Faith is a religious word, it means belief without proof. So you must be referring to our Christian viewers.

2) The same viewers that voted for Bush.


So you think the American viewer is up to snuff on the appropriate movie selection, but you lambast the same for his choice in President.

Man, you are so lost.

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Originally Posted by hobbes

And scroffsey, you want "faith in the American viewer".

1) Faith is a religious word, it means belief without proof. So you must be referring to our Christian viewers.

2) The same viewers that voted for Bush.


So you think the American viewer is up to snuff on the appropriate movie selection, but you lambast the same for his choice in President.

Man, you are so lost.

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do you believe a viewer lacks the ability to change the channel?

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Originally Posted by ruthie

Again, it is Veterans Day. Has everyone forgotten the Veterans? Are we not supposed to honor them? Should we wait til we are out of Iraq to show these types of movies? That isn't realistic. Should we just cancel Veterans Day til the war is over? This is being shown tonight BECAUSE it's Veterans Day.

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There are "feel good movies" as well. Somedays reality needs to be swept to the back corner for a little pick-me-up. Families know everyday, the stress of having a child overseas.

Are you really not getting this?

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Originally Posted by hobbes

I am not angry at Ruthie and Scroff, just disappointed.

There is no mandate that a certain movie needs to be aired on Veterans day and there is no censorship on that movie. It is available at any movie rental store.

A network may have decided that based on the current events that such a movie would have received poor viewings and cost them money, so they changed the programming. Just like airing a hardcore porn movie would have done them no favors.

This not censorship, but business.

The reasons they cited were politcal not reality, it is actually quite simple.

You can change the channel if you wish, but if the airing network is afraid that the show it airs will offend viewers and cause low ratings, the show will not be aired.

It is like the documentary on Ronald Reagan that was made. The test audience found it offensive and the entire movie was thrown away. That is the nature of business. Certain climates allow some things that another may not.

I am sure this movie will see air time again, it is the context of the war that has changed programming. Anyone who believes the excuse about the FCC is a simpleton.

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I happen to agree with you about the reasons for not airing the movie being political, but I don't agree that business had anything to do with it.

The Reagan movie wasn't shelved because any "test audience" found it offensive, it was shelved because there was intense backlash from the Republican National Committee and others.

With all big buisness its all about money...The thing that burns me up the most is pulling the movie cause they feel they'll lose ratings, then saying its because it might offend the audiances.
This is America, so called land of the free, if we want to watch the movie then we should and not have Big Brother tell us we can't. Sure we can rent it, but its the principal behind it!