NBA fight

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/othe...rt/4029365.stm

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The National Basketball Association has suspended Indiana's Jermaine O'Neal, Stephen Jackson, Ron Artest and Detroit's Ben Wallace for brawling.

Following one of the ugliest incidents in United States sports history, the league has handed the four players indefinite suspensions.

The brawl started when Artest was ruled to have fouled Ben Wallace, who hit back with a shove in Artest's face.

The NBA also intends to reviewing its rules and security procedures.

Commissioner David Stern called Friday's scenes "shocking, repulsive and inexcusable - a humiliation for everyone associated with the NBA".

In a statement, Stern added: "Our investigation is ongoing, and I expect it to be completed by Sunday."

The bans for Artest, O'Neal and Jackson, all of whom threw punches at fans during the fight at the end of the Pacers-Pistons game - start on Saturday, when the Pacers played a home game against Orlando.

Wallace's suspension will begin with the Pistons' next home game on Sunday against the Charlotte Bobcats.

Pistons spokesman Tom Wilson said the team plans to double the number of armed police and increase arena security by about 25% for Sunday's game.

The brawl has stunned US sport. Artest and Jackson bolted into the stands near centre court and threw punches at fans after debris was thrown at the players.

Later, fans who came onto the court were punched in the face by Artest and
O'Neal.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/othe...rt/4029365.stm

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Video:
http://www.azulinteractive.com/nbabrawl.wmv

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making millions a month and still acting like teenagers.

Yeah I just saw it on the news, amazing to watch and it seemed like it went on forever. One fight starting after another, really really crazy.

Never thought I'd see something on that scale at an NBA game. Was more like a soccer riot :P

This may sound mean, but that was kind of fun to watch. Like a wrestling/boxing match..

Some blame goes to the retarded fans of Detroit.

They deserve every pounding by a 6'7'' 250 pound professional athlete they get.

and the athletes should be suspended for the year for doing such. How do you explain that to kids?


and, finally, no selling of beer at games.

there is beer there?

I would put more blame on the professional athlete because there are suppose to be "professional", right? Ok someone throws something to you and you are pissed about it. That’s understandable. But you are a professional athlete at your place of work that is filled with guards. Someone will kick him out. He will get a fine or get into some sort of trouble. There is no need for all that to happend..

Yeah, it is players fault, mainly,

But if you have ever been to a basketball game, (especially in L.A. or Detroit) You know that there are a few drunk fans that I would like to sock if I had the money.

If These fans get no money, and in fact are punished, (as well as the abolition of the liquid courage that makes a skinny guy want to start a fight with someone twice his muscle mass) maybe fans will learn.

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Originally Posted by spinningfreemanny

Some blame goes to the retarded fans of Detroit.

They deserve every pounding by a 6'7'' 250 pound professional athlete they get.

and the athletes should be suspended for the year for doing such. How do you explain that to kids?


and, finally, no selling of beer at games.

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I agree with your first 2 points. You shoudnt have to be afraid of being attacked by fans when you are playing for your career. Something needs to be done to the fans of Detroit.

While I agree the fans should accept part of the blame ( I don't condone anyone throwing anything) The athletes had no place going into the stands. If you watch closely, the first guy that Artest hit was innocent. The guy wearing the hat that grabs Artest from behind is the one who threw the cup of beer.

Absolute disgrace.
The funniest thing is though is that behind all of this carnage, the huge ad boards read "I LOVE THIS GAME" :lol:

The suspensions were just handed down and they are the stiffest in NBA history.

Ron Artest - Suspended for the rest of the NBA season (73 games)
Stephen Jackson – 30 games
Jermaine O’Neal – 25 games
Ben Wallace – 6
Anthony Johnson – 5
And four others received 1 game.

http://www.basketbrawl.us/
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Originally Posted by l_p_4_7

http://www.basketbrawl.us/
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The detroit fans also took offence to the Pacers Forward turned R&B star, pelting his position with objects and full cups of beer. At this point Artest, accompanied by Stephen Jackson took to the stands to deal out some of their own justice to the unruly fans, Artest managing to connect with the beer thrower before a scuffle brought them under some control and delivered artest back to the court with a ripped singlet to show for his troubles.

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Any working video clips of this?

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Originally Posted by Samurai

Any working video clips of this?

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All video clips on the site appear to be working.
I have to 18mb wmv file which is definately worth a download for the slo-mo comentatory/analysis. However, I'm also currently downloading the 80mb DivX version for extra high definition brawlage!
90% done.

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Originally Posted by l_p_4_7

All video clips on the site appear to be working.
I have to 18mb wmv file which is definately worth a download for the slo-mo comentatory/analysis. However, I'm also currently downloading the 80mb DivX version for extra high definition brawlage!
90% done.

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where you getting the 80MB file from?

edit* never mind found it :)

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Originally Posted by l_p_4_7

http://www.basketbrawl.us/
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Where did you find this site? Google does not even know about it. :ohmy:

working links

http://mfile.akamai.com/12942/wmv/vo...35750.200k.asx

http://media.holla-front.com/nbafight.wmv

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BTW i think Wallace should have been suspended for a much longer time, I believe he started it all by overreacting ;)

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Originally Posted by jetje

working links

http://mfile.akamai.com/12942/wmv/vo...35750.200k.asx

http://media.holla-front.com/nbafight.wmv

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BTW i think Wallace should have been suspended for a much longer time, I believe he started it all by overreacting ;)

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I believe Wallace should be suspended for they already gave him, 6 games.

He "did not start it all".

He did his thing, the fans did theirs.

I haven't seen it yet but the impression I get is that the situation was diffused and Ron Artest laid on the scorers table.

Fans started it back up. The Pacers reacted to it badly.

Count them out of the play offs btw. ;)

EDit: ...and thanks for the links, I'll dl once I get home. Much appreciated.

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Originally Posted by Busyman

I believe Wallace should be suspended for they already gave him, 6 games.

He "did not start it all".

He did his thing, the fans did theirs.

I haven't seen it yet but the impression I get is that the situation was diffused and Ron Artest laid on the scorers table.

Fans started it back up. The Pacers reacted to it badly.

Count them out of the play offs btw. ;)

EDit: ...and thanks for the links, I'll dl once I get home. Much appreciated.

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Should be or should not be suspended ?

Either way, Artest seemed to do alot of backing away from Ben Wallace, but jumps up into the stands over a cup ? Hope he doesn't win the appeal of his suspension, and hope everyone enjoys his "record" when its released. He needs the income ;)

What will be the demand in the civil law suit from the guy that got knocked down. As in how many dollars :shifty:

Busyman, if Wallace did react a bit more controlled in the 1st place nothing of this all would have been happened at all. At least as i see it, the charge from Artest wasn't that hard ;)

I agree that Wallace went a bit too far on what looked like a hard but legal foul. He was obviously venting, at in sports terms, up to that point, Artest had done nothing wrong.

The going into the stands thing though....

Had he gone after the guy who actually hit him with the cup, it still would not be excusable, but at least more understandable. Beating on an innocent guy was despicable. Everything after that is a result of what happens when you have no security.

American sports fans have joined the rest of the world in terms of loutishness. Used to be people would taunt, but now because of the extrememly high prices for tickets it seems certain types of fans think that entitles them to act however they want. This goes on in all 4 major sports in the US, but the NBA is the only one where fans sit literally right next to the teams. If you want to be the "Biggest team sport on the planet" as the NBA does, and want to make all that money off of fans, then pay for the security.

Another thing about American sports: Owners pocket a lot of revenue but don't put money into important areas, such as security, untill something like this happens.

I actually feel bad for Ron Artest, obviously a talented but troubled human. It must have been hard to lie down after getting a shot like that to the face from Wallace, but somewhere in those millions he makes a year there HAS to be that part that says "I will not go into the stands".

I fully blame the fans culture for this, thinking it is okay to get involved in what happens on the court. But our athletes for all they make come off as spoiled.

Gimme 8 million a year and you can douse me with beer every day.

I also think Wallace should take a bit more responsibility for this whole thing, but he is a world champion, why should he?

-SJ™

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Originally Posted by RPerry

Should be or should not be suspended ?

Either way, Artest seemed to do alot of backing away from Ben Wallace, but jumps up into the stands over a cup ? Hope he doesn't win the appeal of his suspension, and hope everyone enjoys his "record" when its released. He needs the income ;)

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Originally Posted by jetje

What will be the demand in the civil law suit from the guy that got knocked down. As in how many dollars

Busyman, if Wallace did react a bit more controlled in the 1st place nothing of this all would have been happened at all. At least as i see it, the charge from Artest wasn't that hard

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Everyone involved should be suspended.

My point is Artest/Wallace is A. Artest,Pacers/Fans is B.

Artest/Wallace should be treated like the other skirmishes in the NBA with Wallace getting the total fault for A.

The fans come in and here comes B, which are some of the fans fault and some of the Pacers.

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Originally Posted by SuperJude™

I agree that Wallace went a bit too far on what looked like a hard but legal foul. He was obviously venting, at in sports terms, up to that point, Artest had done nothing wrong.

The going into the stands thing though....

Had he gone after the guy who actually hit him with the cup, it still would not be excusable, but at least more understandable. Beating on an innocent guy was despicable. Everything after that is a result of what happens when you have no security.

American sports fans have joined the rest of the world in terms of loutishness. Used to be people would taunt, but now because of the extrememly high prices for tickets it seems certain types of fans think that entitles them to act however they want. This goes on in all 4 major sports in the US, but the NBA is the only one where fans sit literally right next to the teams. If you want to be the "Biggest team sport on the planet" as the NBA does, and want to make all that money off of fans, then pay for the security.

Another thing about American sports: Owners pocket a lot of revenue but don't put money into important areas, such as security, untill something like this happens.

I actually feel bad for Ron Artest, obviously a talented but troubled human. It must have been hard to lie down after getting a shot like that to the face from Wallace, but somewhere in those millions he makes a year there HAS to be that part that says "I will not go into the stands".

I fully blame the fans culture for this, thinking it is okay to get involved in what happens on the court. But our athletes for all they make come off as spoiled.

Gimme 8 million a year and you can douse me with beer every day.

I also think Wallace should take a bit more responsibility for this whole thing, but he is a world champion, why should he?

-SJ™

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I do not feel bad for Ron Artest. People fuck with people whom they feel they can beat.
Wallace would have been time enough for Ronnie Ron and that's why he backed down. It was the prospect of that impending ass-whippin. :lol: :lol:

This is not the first Big Brawl in our sports history so haven't joined anything as far as the rest of the world.
This is not the first time an NBA player has jumped into the stands to whip ass.
This not the first time fans have tried to whip a player's ass.

I agree that lack of security played a part in the overall length of the incident. Hell, minutes after the initial "jump" into the stands there were still cans of Ass-Whippin' being handed out.

I guess when I say "feel bad" I should clarify:

Ron is from NY so I been reading about him since high school and St. John's and I fully know why the Knicks didn't take a chance on him, though ironically enough they now might, even though their original reason for not drafting him was because of his psychological make up (somebody explain this too me, really, it's almost laughable if this really happens).

Ron Artest has needed real help and not the enabling type the NBA has. And as players, I love Ben Wallace. Ass whupping or not though, the way I saw things he was out of line, and you should actually see the game footage, because just before that foul, Wallace had fouled Artest just as hard.

But that is just basketball, and really I can see why Wallace would set an example. Detroit has always been most successful when it had enforcers, and Wallace plays a clean game and is not the one who ended up in the stands beating on some random innocent guy (who could have been you or me).

Ricky Williams will play again, Ron Artest will get traded and play again, but considering the money these leagues make, it seems more should be put into how to deal with people who have issues.

-SJ™

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Originally Posted by SuperJude™

I guess when I say "feel bad" I should clarify:

Ron is from NY so I been reading about him since high school and St. John's and I fully know why the Knicks didn't take a chance on him, though ironically enough they now might, even though their original reason for not drafting him was because of his psychological make up (somebody explain this too me, really, it's almost laughable if this really happens).

Ron Artest has needed real help and not the enabling type the NBA has. And as players, I love Ben Wallace. Ass whupping or not though, the way I saw things he was out of line, and you should actually see the game footage, because just before that foul, Wallace had fouled Artest just as hard.

But that is just basketball, and really I can see why Wallace would set an example. Detroit has always been most successful when it had enforcers, and Wallace plays a clean game and is not the one who ended up in the stands beating on some random innocent guy (who could have been you or me).

Ricky Williams will play again, Ron Artest will get traded and play again, but considering the money these leagues make, it seems more should be put into how to deal with people who have issues.

-SJ™

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Wallace was out of line, agreed, but he didn't insight a riot. That's the fans and Pacers fault.

Wallace wouldn't have been pelted anyway. They weren't in Indiana. :huh:
Ron is a sociapath. If he does this on camera imagine what he does behind closed doors when he's pissed off....not unless it's the attention that's a catalyst. :unsure:

Just read in the paper that Ron Artest has been banned for 73 games, Jermaine O'Neal for 30 and Stephen Jackson for 25 games.

They reckon thats about £6.5 million in lost wages between them :ohmy:

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Originally Posted by DanB

Just read in the paper that Ron Artest has been banned for 73 games, Jermaine O'Neal for 30 and Stephen Jackson for 25 games.

They reckon thats about £6.5 million in lost wages between them :ohmy:

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Thats Sterns way of saying " nice boys don't go into the stands" :lol:

I hope the suspensions are not over-turned in the appeals, this needs to be a wakeup call that this should never happen again. I do hope however, that the fans who threw cups at the players are fined/ prosecuted as well. Just because the players make millions shouldn't mean they take full reponsibility

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Originally Posted by RPerry

Thats Sterns way of saying " nice boys don't go into the stands" :lol:

I hope the suspensions are not over-turned in the appeals, this needs to be a wakeup call that this should never happen again. I do hope however, that the fans who threw cups at the players are fined/ prosecuted as well. Just because the players make millions shouldn't mean they take full reponsibility

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Agreed. The fans' role in this has been overshadowed by the players when they in fact were the main catalyst of the whole thing.

god this is hilarious, overpaid stars attacking each other, then the fans, then the fans attacking back.

I have no idea why that fella decided to jump into the stands with a few of his team mates and start hitting fans. it would have been the securities job to look back on the cctv and see who threw the beer and have him escorted out/arrested/banned for life.

its not the lack of security as other people have suggested it is the fact the players attacked the fans. how do you expect them to deal with that? run in protect the players and get beaten up. run in drag the players out and get beaten up. run in and protect the fans from the players and get beaten up.

these people deserved to be suspended without pay to teach them some self control. the fan/idiot who threw the beer should be charged with assault and banned for life from any basketball game.

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Originally Posted by 4play

god this is hilarious, overpaid stars attacking each other, then the fans, then the fans attacking back.

I have no idea why that fella decided to jump into the stands with a few of his team mates and start hitting fans. it would have been the securities job to look back on the cctv and see who threw the beer and have him escorted out/arrested/banned for life.

its not the lack of security as other people have suggested it is the fact the players attacked the fans. how do you expect them to deal with that? run in protect the players and get beaten up. run in drag the players out and get beaten up. run in and protect the fans from the players and get beaten up.

these people deserved to be suspended without pay to teach them some self control. the fan/idiot who threw the beer should be charged with assault and banned for life from any basketball game.

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I agree with your post. However, lack of security did prolong The Brawl. :01:

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Originally Posted by 4play

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these people deserved to be suspended without pay to teach them some self control. the fan/idiot who threw the beer should be charged with assault and banned for life from any basketball game.

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I saw on the news this morning an interview with the guy who threw the first cup. ( The guy in the blue shirt and white hat ) He was a season ticket holder, and has been barred from going to the games at The Palace ;) Their asking for help to find out the name of the guy who threw the chair too :cool:

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Originally Posted by RPerry

I saw on the news this morning an interview with the guy who threw the first cup. ( The guy in the blue shirt and white hat ) He was a season ticket holder, and has been barred from going to the games at The Palace ;) Their asking for help to find out the name of the guy who threw the chair too :cool:

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They just released a video of the guy, asking for people to come forward and identify him

If the players are going to pay millions, these guys need to pay...something.

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Originally Posted by spinningfreemanny

They just released a video of the guy, asking for people to come forward and identify him

If the players are going to pay millions, these guys need to pay...something.

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I agree, especially the one who threw the damn chair ..... :angry: