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[j2k4]

So, you are of the opinion an excellent education cannot be had outside the ivys?

Why must this be either/or?
A good education is available any number of places, including the Ivy League and the public library.

I'll grant you that; however, the only things that make the Ivy league exceptional are the cost and the networking.

Oh, and the snob appeal.

Period.

[clocker]

So it's just not possible that an Ivy league school might have a better teacher, better facilities, more extensive library or in fact, anything that could be considered "superior" to another school?

[j2k4]

So it's just not possible that an Ivy league school might have a better teacher, better facilities, more extensive library or in fact, anything that could be considered "superior" to another school?

Ah, elitism again.

I believe the ultimate product is more a function of the human ingredient; in fact, you intimated as much in your own postage, while denigrating Palin for having attended "Wasilla Community College", when in fact she graduated from the University of Idaho.

Harvard and Yale are fine schools; there is no denying the fact - but, as you yourself said, a fine education can be had at any public library, some of which are certainly superior to others...so what, ultimately, is your point?

I'm guessing you find her accent off-putting.

[clocker]

Your reading comprehension skills are deteriorating.
I never implied or intimated that Palin attended Wasilla Community College.

And, I've never said that a fine education is only available from an Ivy but, unlike you, I allow the possibility that someone who has attended one might have walked away with more than a secret handshake and a sense of entitlement.

My point (at least part of it) is the Republican penchant for availing themselves- typically through family connections- of the advantages of finer institutions and then turning around and bemoaning the "elitism" that apparently runs rampant in them...although somehow magically not infecting them.

This dichotomy is also evidenced in the way Repubs like to treat New York.
During, and even today, the events of Sept. 11, New Yorkers were heroes and the victims of terrorists.
In any other context except the 9/11 attacks, New York embodies all that Repubs find repellent about East coast, big city, liberal values.

This whole "Main Street, small town values" schtick is just pure unadulterated crap.
80% of Americans live in large urban areas- Opie has not been representative of the average American since BEFORE the Andy Griffith Show. Neither Bush or McCain grew up in anything like a stereotypical small town, both were children of priveledge and only wear the trappings of small town America out of political expediency.

[j2k4]

Your reading comprehension skills are deteriorating.
I never implied or intimated that Palin attended Wasilla Community College.

And, I've never said that a fine education is only available from an Ivy but, unlike you, I allow the possibility that someone who has attended one might have walked away with more than a secret handshake and a sense of entitlement.

My point (at least part of it) is the Republican penchant for availing themselves- typically through family connections- of the advantages of finer institutions and then turning around and bemoaning the "elitism" that apparently runs rampant in them...although somehow magically not infecting them.

This dichotomy is also evidenced in the way Repubs like to treat New York.
During, and even today, the events of Sept. 11, New Yorkers were heroes and the victims of terrorists.
In any other context except the 9/11 attacks, New York embodies all that Repubs find repellent about East coast, big city, liberal values.

This whole "Main Street, small town values" schtick is just pure unadulterated crap.
80% of Americans live in large urban areas- Opie has not been representative of the average American since BEFORE the Andy Griffith Show. Neither Bush or McCain grew up in anything like a stereotypical small town, both were children of priveledge and only wear the trappings of small town America out of political expediency.

So we hicks are to be excluded from the process.

Well, then.

Secession could become an issue before long, I think, should the rube population decide to charge you urbanites directly for the resources we're sitting on - you know, the oil, the water...stuff like that.

BTW-

According to the census bureau, you are abusing, or at least attempting to mislead, with your statement as to U.S. population:

URBAN AND RURAL DEFINITIONS

Source: US Census Bureau
Released: Oct. 1995

URBAN AND RURAL

The Census Bureau defines "urban" for the 1990 census as comprising all territory, population, and housing units in urbanized areas and in places of 2,500 or more persons outside urbanized areas. More specifically, "urban" consists of territory, persons, and housing units in:

1. Places of 2,500 or more persons incorporated as cities, villages, boroughs (except in Alaska and New York), and towns (except in the six New England States, New York, and Wisconsin), but excluding the rural portions of "extended cities."

2. Census designated places of 2,500 or more persons.

3. Other territory, incorporated or unincorporated, included in urbanized areas.


Ffs, I fucking live in an urban area.

[clocker]

So we hicks are to be excluded from the process.

Well, then.

Secession could become an issue before long, I think, should the rube population decide to charge you urbanites directly for the resources we're sitting on - you know, the oil, the water...stuff like that.

What?
If there is a connection between my post and your response, I fail to see it.

BTW-

According to the census bureau, you are abusing, or at least attempting to mislead, with your statement as to U.S. population:

URBAN AND RURAL DEFINITIONS

Source: US Census Bureau
Released: Oct. 1995

URBAN AND RURAL

The Census Bureau defines "urban" for the 1990 census as comprising all territory, population, and housing units in urbanized areas and in places of 2,500 or more persons outside urbanized areas. More specifically, "urban" consists of territory, persons, and housing units in:

1. Places of 2,500 or more persons incorporated as cities, villages, boroughs (except in Alaska and New York), and towns (except in the six New England States, New York, and Wisconsin), but excluding the rural portions of "extended cities."

2. Census designated places of 2,500 or more persons.

3. Other territory, incorporated or unincorporated, included in urbanized areas.


Ffs, I fucking live in an urban area.

Actually, I don't believe you do.
Your "salt-o-the-earth" status remains intact, although of increasingly dubious value.

[j2k4]

Your reading comprehension skills are deteriorating.
I never implied or intimated that Palin attended Wasilla Community College.

What was this in aid of, then?

You really want to compare the quality of education between Wasilla Community College and Yale?

If you were being other-than-literal, then I guess I am, too.

This dichotomy is also evidenced in the way Repubs like to treat New York.
During, and even today, the events of Sept. 11, New Yorkers were heroes and the victims of terrorists.
In any other context except the 9/11 attacks, New York embodies all that Repubs find repellent about East coast, big city, liberal values.

The people of New York are fine, and easily appreciated at non-critical times as well as in the wake of such as 9/11.

You fail to differentiate between the individual and the political face of New York.

I don't recall anybody saying, "Holy shit, did you see how the democrat/republican party kicked ass after the WTC came down".

They have republicans there, too, although you may think a New York republican to be vastly superior/inferior to the rural specie - I don't pretend to know.

This whole "Main Street, small town values" schtick is just pure unadulterated crap.
80% of Americans live in large urban areas- Opie has not been representative of the average American since BEFORE the Andy Griffith Show. Neither Bush or McCain grew up in anything like a stereotypical small town, both were children of priveledge and only wear the trappings of small town America out of political expediency.

How do you feel about Broadway, big city values?

Are they somehow superior in ways not reflected in sheer numbers?

BTW-

According to the census bureau, you are abusing, or at least attempting to mislead, with your statement as to U.S. population:

URBAN AND RURAL DEFINITIONS

Source: US Census Bureau
Released: Oct. 1995

URBAN AND RURAL

The Census Bureau defines "urban" for the 1990 census as comprising all territory, population, and housing units in urbanized areas and in places of 2,500 or more persons outside urbanized areas. More specifically, "urban" consists of territory, persons, and housing units in:

1. Places of 2,500 or more persons incorporated as cities, villages, boroughs (except in Alaska and New York), and towns (except in the six New England States, New York, and Wisconsin), but excluding the rural portions of "extended cities."

2. Census designated places of 2,500 or more persons.

3. Other territory, incorporated or unincorporated, included in urbanized areas.


Ffs, I fucking live in an urban area.

Actually, I don't believe you do.
Your "salt-o-the-earth" status remains intact, although of increasingly dubious value.

You would dare argue with the census bureau?

Back up your "80% urban" claim, if you please?

BTW-

I eschew salt on the orders of my medic, so my value is static, unlike our currency.

[Busyman]

Oh so Bush got plugged into the network? No Ivy League schools provide a good education? So it's a network of dumbdumbs?

I have 3 friends that went to Harvard and they are quite smart. If they got plugged into a network that wants smart people, so be it.

Your generalizations make you come of as some backwoods resentful militia man.

Yes everyone that goes to Harvard may not come out the brightest mainly due to the fact that certain folks should have never been admitted. Some get admitted due to who they are.

Yes, Bush got plugged in.

Just like your boys Kerry and Gore.

So, you are of the opinion an excellent education cannot be had outside the ivys?

Where'd you even think to pull that one out of your ass? Also there was no mention of Bush's plug-ins by you then so why mention Obama's possible plug-ins now. Bush was plugged in before Harvard and Yale.

BTW-

Is this-

"Your generalizations make you come of as some backwoods resentful militia man".

-not a generalization?

Oh no it is. I'll repeat it. Your generalizations make you come off as some backwoods resentful militia man.

You are practicing an elitism you can't afford, sir.

Perhaps you could grovel before one of your three (count 'em, three) Harvard buddies to parse your posting for you.

Perhaps you could grovel on your knees and stuff even more beef in your mouth.

[j2k4]

Yes, Bush got plugged in.

Just like your boys Kerry and Gore.

So, you are of the opinion an excellent education cannot be had outside the ivys?

Where'd you even think to pull that one out of your ass? Also there was no mention of Bush's plug-ins by you then so why mention Obama's possible plug-ins now. Bush was plugged in before Harvard and Yale.

BTW-

Is this-

"Your generalizations make you come of as some backwoods resentful militia man".

-not a generalization?

Oh no it is. I'll repeat it. Your generalizations make you come off as some backwoods resentful militia man.

You are practicing an elitism you can't afford, sir.

Perhaps you could grovel before one of your three (count 'em, three) Harvard buddies to parse your posting for you.

Perhaps you could grovel on your knees and stuff even more beef in your mouth.

I only eat pussy, sorry.

[Busyman]

Perhaps you could grovel on your knees and stuff even more beef in your mouth.

I only eat pussy, sorry.

Sorry? I'm not the one having you burst at the cheeks with beef. If you eat pussy, it must be male cats.