Anonymous is to DDoS sony...

**Quarterquack** · 04-14-2011, 05:07 AM

Where I draw the line is the distribution. He gave away both a private firmware and the keys, albeit half the work was done for him. Again, I'm taking Sony's side because I knew it would happen, and I know the people who distributed it originally (to my utter dismay). As I said, it's like standing on a train track. You know the train is coming, so if you don't move out the way, why should anyone help/care? Did people really expect Sony to do nothing? And as far as I'm concerned, Sony's scare tactics worked. It's not like the PS3 homebrew scene came up with anything worthwhile. Look to the Wii for that.

If people had a legitimate reason for the homebrew applications, I'd be fine with it. As far as I can see, the only worthwhile things released are piracy-enabling material. No music backgrounding tools, no feature unlocking/save exporting homebrew, no custom drivers or reversed Move drivers, no 3D enabling in the menu, no bravia media playback enhancement dumping, no BD extraction, no custom XMB's, and the list I could come up with could go on - so tell me then, what was the point all these "hackers" were trying to prove? That they could enable piracy/homebrew/console emulation but then not do much else, it's still very much a locked console because no one wants to put the effort for anything but producing proofs of concept.

The only thing worthwhile from this entire fiasco was a signed permanent TN-D and VSH.

**ca_aok** · 04-14-2011, 02:05 PM

I'm still waiting for someone to lift the SACD decryption method out of the PS3 somehow.

**EyeCandy** · 04-14-2011, 03:00 PM

They aren't done yet

Probably the biggest production I've seen them put in a video....

**mjmacky** · 04-14-2011, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by Darth Rings

As I said, it's like standing on a train track. You know the train is coming, so if you don't move out the way, why should anyone help/care? Did people really expect Sony to do nothing? And as far as I'm concerned, Sony's scare tactics worked. It's not like the PS3 homebrew scene came up with anything worthwhile.

Well except that he's in the middle of the road, and it's a giant SUV speeding at him, and the driver is screaming, "I'm going to ram you so hard motherfucker!". The other analogy makes it feel like there is no option for Sony, and that there's only one way to get into Sony's crosshairs. Anyways, I think the finalized statement from me would be if a company resorts to aggressive scare tactics, they don't have my sympathy. In my realm of opinion, this causes Sony to lose lots of points (not that they had many to start with), and Microsoft won back a lot of points (for a side story not mentioned in this thread, but it involves GeoHot). On another side note, does anyone remember the original XBMC, how hard did MS crackdown on that?

**shipwreck** · 04-14-2011, 04:08 PM

Jesus, less film making (the so called "15 minutes of fame", the disease of the modern age), more packeting!

**EyeCandy** · 04-15-2011, 03:06 AM

Originally Posted by Darth Rings

it's still very much a locked console because no one wants to put the effort for anything but producing proofs of concept

You obviously don't understand the difference between developer and hacker. While one can be both, a hacker's primary goals are learning and challenging themselves, so once they get in, goal accomplished. Close the hole and they'll start again. It's developers that make content. Without full RSX access what do you expect? A new Tetris clone? Ports of 1980's-1990's games? Development is more attractive on PSP/Wii due to GPU access and on 360 (for a small fee) due to M$ support for indie devs.

Give the developers a legitimate(not under a very restrictive NDA + a cost of thousands of $$$) path and they will take and then people would see what the PS3 is capable of besides just games. You want it to do everything Sony? A legit brew path does just that, because if it doesn't do it some will make, "an app for that".
(P.S. Think there would be so many iOS apps if the iPhone hadn't been jailbroken?)

**Quarterquack** · 04-15-2011, 03:31 AM

Aside from your obvious attempt at getting a reaction out of me ... how many of the things I listed in my previous post require any development? Actually, piracy requires development. The other things I mentioned (+ aok's SACD mention) are all the work of a hacker/extractor. I know the difference very well, thank you very much.

But that's irrelevant. I don't for a second believe that you were trying to educate me over anything.

P.S. Notice the quotation marks around hackers. I don't actually think of them as hackers at all, more like code junkies. They had the way paved for them.

**EyeCandy** · 04-15-2011, 05:24 PM

It wasn't about a reaction. While I believed and still do you understood the difference between the two, many don't.(While directed at you, it was just as much directed at everyone else.) I even agree with you to an extent. If Sony hadn't taken anything away they originally gave me at time of purchase, I would have the same opinion as you as to GeoHot releasing what he did and how he did it. If they had given us a path for Homebrew, this would be a completely different conversation. Take away my rights and I'll take them back.

Second, as long as it remains "closed" you won't see anything worthwhile from the brew scene. It has to be Opened before that can happen and that's in it's infancy. Once we have either full CFW w/RSX access or if Sony gives us Linuxw/RSX access you will see the flood gates open, check out XLIG (Microsoft provides a legit path), Droid (it was open from the start), PSP (It's cracked wide open already), Wii(Also wide open). Simply put closed = no innovation(by anyone without a ton of $$$, hardware, and a license) and no brew. Sony with Linux gave us a promise of Openness(Linux itself is open), but when more was sought, they bricked the door up completely rather than just fixing the lock. Why? Because they didn't want to pay to support it any more. Any public company's motivation(whether they are doing what's right or not) is money. To think otherwise is to be a fool.

The term Hacker has a stigma associated with it. I also agree "code junkie" would be a better term("junkie" has a stigma also, but for many code can be an addiction

, but not necessarily a bad one), or "knowledge seeker" or "knowledge tester". It's about the challenge.

"how many of the things I listed in my previous post require any development?"

Piracy takes reverse engineering of what was meant to make it secure which is development done in reverse before any development of tools, etc... can be done, but in my opinion it's part of the "development" process as is researching for making a new game without a single line of code written.

BTW, I put development in quotes as I'd like to know your definition of that. Writing code? Something else? Something more? (My equivalent would be "Digital Engineer" as sometimes creating something new requires you understand how something works to start with which implies engineering.)