Hurricane Katrina...

[NikkiD]

So you are saying that you did indeed donate money? Because it sounds like you didn't, so that would include yourself as #1 in the billions you are talking about.

Here's a very unique idea: let's stop attacking each other and pointing fingers and just say your peace. If you don't agree with someone, fine. Regardless of popular belief, that is a very natural human thing to do. But quit taking shots at each other.

If you disagree with someone and post to that effect, you're effectively taking a shot at their beliefs.

Given this is a place to discuss opinions, how do you propose we avoid this.

What saddens me with this topic is that it seems like people are losing focus that there are actual people, lots of people affected by this tragedy, and instead of keeping that in mind when posting, they just want to use this as a venue for America bashing.

Hey bash America, poopoo on Bush all you want, I don't care. But, this topic, this tragedy, these people they don't deserve it. If you hate America, anyone, from any country, that's fine, its your right, just don't lessen this topic with it.

These are human beings, people, your fellow man and woman; does it really matter they are from America? If so, then shame on you, all of you.

Very well said, however I think the reason it's happened in this thread is because people all over the world are angry about the way the victims of this tragedy have been treated, and how poor the response has been from those in charge.

[Busyman]

So you are saying that you did indeed donate money? Because it sounds like you didn't, so that would include yourself as #1 in the billions you are talking about.

Here's a very unique idea: let's stop attacking each other and pointing fingers and just say your peace. If you don't agree with someone, fine. Regardless of popular belief, that is a very natural human thing to do. But quit taking shots at each other.

If you disagree with someone and post to that effect, you're effectively taking a shot at their beliefs.

Given this is a place to discuss opinions, how do you propose we avoid this.

What saddens me with this topic is that it seems like people are losing focus that there are actual people, lots of people affected by this tragedy, and instead of keeping that in mind when posting, they just want to use this as a venue for America bashing.

Hey bash America, poopoo on Bush all you want, I don't care. But, this topic, this tragedy, these people they don't deserve it. If you hate America, anyone, from any country, that's fine, its your right, just don't lessen this topic with it.

These are human beings, people, your fellow man and woman; does it really matter they are from America? If so, then shame on you, all of you.

Sorry bud but what do you expect everyone to post?.....

Is everyone supoosed to post "I am deeply saddened by the deaths of the people." I mean is it supposed to be a Hallmark card?

[JunkBarMan]

Honestly Busyman, I don't know what people are supposed to post. Ask yourself, what is the right way to object to a government, George Bush, and America as a whole.

I do know this: The tragedy from this hurricane isn't the venue to post anti-America/Bush/Government topics. This is about the people, go make some other topic about those things. Lets act like mature people and not shout off at the mouth the first chance we get, just because we don't agree with something or someone.

Damn man, I feel a lot like everyone else in this topic, people in Louisiana got the shaft man, but I don't think it does any one of those people any good to sit here and bitch about Bush and America's government.

If you want to raise awareness about those things do it in the right way, don't prop it up on the backs of the people in this tragedy.

As far as Hallmark cards man, they don't mean crap. Everything I said in my post in this topic I meant every word of, so don't confuse my logic and feeling with some bullshit at your local drug store. I take this very serious and it really does sadden me to the bone to see people get so damn angry with America that they forget we are people too, and we hurt and bleed and die.

We have more money so I guess we are immune to those things.



NOW that's some Bullshit buddy.

[j2k4]

I've already said twice that I'm prepeared to wait, so I hope you aren't including me in your "all".

As you wish; I was using the editorial "all".

If you would deny me this, please let me know.

the U.N. was another matter entirely.

Hypocrite.

Again, lynx, with all due respect, blow it out your ass.

This is just another example of your proclivity for the selective quote.

You know precisely what I meant, and to twist my meaning by a semi-cunning use of the editting function is to insult your own considerable intelligence, as well as that of others.

Gee, hope my posts don't disappear.

[j2k4]

We have more money so I guess we are immune to those things.

NOW that's some Bullshit buddy.

Just so; many in this crowd are inclined to hold the U.S. to standards that haven't even been delineated, much less practiced in other countries/locales.

We aren't allowed to be less than perfect, and on this board, even perfection is not enough for some...

[lynx]

J2, of course I'm going to call you on your previous statements.

You demanded Kofi Annan's head before any investigation was concluded, even the UN's own. You criticised the UN for running its own investigation.

Yet you seem to be emphatic in refusing to do the same when your own president is directly involved, both as ultimate head of the organisations who are supposed to supply relief, and for conducting his own investigation.

So I repeat that you are guilty of dual standards and hypocricy.

It seems to me that your government will be calling for wholesale changes at the UN for mismangement, while at the same time being incapable of organising what should have been a fairly straightforward emergency action. Perhaps that tells us the source of your hypocritical stance.

[lynx]

We have more money so I guess we are immune to those things.

NOW that's some Bullshit buddy.

Just so; many in this crowd are inclined to hold the U.S. to standards that haven't even been delineated, much less practiced in other countries/locales.

We aren't allowed to be less than perfect, and on this board, even perfection is not enough for some...

Or perhaps we simply expect you to hold to the standards you keep claiming.

[MediaSlayer]

Media.... are you remembering to take your medicine?

We can make it rain, in certain circumstances....we cant direct the course of a Hurricane. Do you realise the energy that would require?

Before we can control the weather, we have to be able to predict it in the 1st place... we cant do this at the moment, this is why your given a % for the chance of rain.

a simple google search

[peat moss]

I think the saddest part of this whole disaster is the race issue . Largely black, poor did n't vote for Bush bla bla . The looters are all black BS . Then you you have Barbara Bush putting her foot in her mouth , Wolf Blitzer 's faux pas of sooo poor, sooo black crap . He should be fired from CNN .

[j2k4]

J2, of course I'm going to call you on your previous statements.

You demanded Kofi Annan's head before any investigation was concluded, even the UN's own. You criticised the UN for running its own investigation.

Okay.

Yet you seem to be emphatic in refusing to do the same when your own president is directly involved, both as ultimate head of the organisations who are supposed to supply relief, and for conducting his own investigation.

Perhaps you can use your modly powers to manufacture a post in which I am "emphatic in refusing...", etc., but I have barely even posted here in my own thread, much less commented on Bush's role, or any investigation by anyone of anything.

Such content does not exist in this thread; you know it, and anyone else attending does also.

So I repeat that you are guilty of dual standards and hypocricy.

Merely saying it does not make it so, lynx, but again, I'm sure you could concoct something, couldn't you...

It seems to me that your government will be calling for wholesale changes at the UN for mismangement, while at the same time being incapable of organising what should have been a fairly straightforward emergency action. Perhaps that tells us the source of your hypocritical stance.

You really don't get it, do you?

You stand in judgement of every tiny thing that happens in the U.S., but wouldn't dream of being nearly so discerning, discriminating, or critical of ANYTHING that goes on at your beloved U.N..

Methinks the black pot is speaking out-of-turn, and from the shade, into the bargain.

You've got some nerve, calling me a hypocrite.