More Powerful Than The Government?

[TIDE-HSV]

Well, I'm told I look about ten years younger, but the interior parts are wearing, wearing...

[clocker]

Originally posted by TIDE-HSV@20 April 2003 - 20:56
Well, I'm told I look about ten years younger, but the interior parts are wearing, wearing...

Oh, don't be sad...

Why, I'll bet you've got at least another 2 or 3 good weeks left...

btw, where's j2k4? I'll bet he's an old fart too.

[TIDE-HSV]

I know, I know. It's taking those 10-12 Viagras a day that's wearing me out.

[clocker]

Originally posted by TIDE-HSV@20 April 2003 - 21:13
I know, I know. It's taking those 10-12 Viagras a day that's wearing me out.

Wearing YOUout?

[TIDE-HSV]

I can tell I'll not get the last word in on this exchange. The clock's moving towards bedtime in my time zone.

[clocker]

Originally posted by TIDE-HSV@20 April 2003 - 21:36
I can tell I'll not get the last word in on this exchange.  The clock's moving towards bedtime in my time zone. 

Tenacity will beat logic anytime.

[FinalTheorem]

If the law cannot be enforced, then does it really apply? I ask this question seriously, because I'm not sure of the logistics of it.

I'm not really knowegable about the subject, but I think Microsoft is developing a new chip, which would be installed in all new computers, and would allow the laws to be enforced. This article has some information about it (Palladium Chip). To me, that seems like a total invasion of privacy, and I hope everyone has started using linux by the time this chip is (if ever) produced.

[TIDE-HSV]

OK, I said I'd signed off, but I'll lodge this... I'm more worried about this than I am about the DMCA. I'm not talking just about the chips that are proposed but also the new software and hybrid "analog hole" technologies that are in the pipeline. If they succeed, we could be looking at a long interval of creative suffocation. Although they can't see that now.

[RealitY]

Originally posted by speeddemon5988@21 April 2003 - 04:45
I'm not really knowegable about the subject, but I think Microsoft is developing a new chip, which would be installed in all new computers, and would allow the laws to be enforced. This article has some information about it (Palladium Chip). To me, that seems like a total invasion of privacy, and I hope everyone has started using linux by the time this chip is (if ever) produced.

I found this article very interesting, a must read.
I have heard of this in the works for some time, a new v chip of sort,
or the comp under the seat in your car, where does it stop
trying to control and cosume all.

However I found the closing statement from the article well put...

Consider this a call to arms. Those of us who relish our freedom need to defend it. Here are some warnings about mistakes we could make easily that would undermine any effort to prevent the worst of all fates:


Companies don't have the right to violate our freedoms just to preserve an old system of making money after it has become obsolete, but they do have the right to make money. There's no reason why you should feel inclined to do their thinking for them and come up with alternative means of collecting revenues, but at least acknowledge that there's nothing wrong with charging for content. What's wrong is how they want to charge for content, and how they want to control your use of that content.

While I'm happy that open source and free software often subvert the greed and control, sometimes the subversion leads to illegal piracy. That's when open source and free software deservedly get a bad reputation, and that's the ammunition companies and congress use to push unfair legislation. Don't give the enemy that ammunition or they'll use it to put our freedoms into an early grave.
It doesn't matter if companies get more than their fair share for the sales of commercial CDs and DVDs, and it doesn't matter whether you are outraged that the artists don't get the slice of income they deserve. You may be right beyond all argument. Nevertheless, civil disobedience against a company's greed is not effective when it is expressed through your own greed. The people of the Boston tea party dumped the tea so that nobody could use it. That made a much more powerful statement than if they had stolen the tea. Similarly, if you express your civil disobedience by stealing music, you are simply making it more likely that the system we'll end up with is worse than the one you're complaining about now.

In the grand scheme of things, what can I say?
In this closing statement it seems to be clearly one of the most compeling arguments against being a theive.
As where does it truly lead us, giving ammunition to those who thrive to take our freedom from us on any level.
Are you then treated accordingly as you behave?
Again, a must read.

[Switeck]

It's even worse than most people realize -- every year, MORE music cds by percentage have 'copy protection' schemes on them that, although can be defeated still by various means... to legally backup your music. (or share it)

But the schemes serve to cause many older and younger music listeners some trouble, as many of these 'music cds' cannot be played on a computer CD-ROM at all. So people are paying as much or more than ever for CDs (Corrupt Discs in this case)... that don't even WORK! ...and this is by design!

Music companies are paying more tech-savey companies to locate and document pirates on p2p networks, such as this one, for potential prosecution. Whole companies dedicated to nothing other than 'busting' us for sharing MP3s... Fakes/Corrupted MP3s are being put out by these companies as well to 'posion' the p2p networks and discourage/run off the pirates.

Even though I have some interest in music, I have little desire to help fund groups that are working hard to change the laws further so long jail sentences can be given to 'pirates'.