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Thread: Americans Roll Over On Command

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    A series of articles published by WorldNetDaily.com this week have proven, beyond a shadow of doubt, that Americans will soon have to endure more of the kind of statism normally reserved for despotic regimes in the Third World. That outrage will come in the form of a national ID card.

    The crux of the articles is about granting driver's licenses to illegal aliens, which - according to one immigration-reform group - is occurring in many more states than previously believed. Though driver's licensing officials in some of those states vehemently deny illegals are beating their systems, several residents of these same states have contacted WND to say otherwise. In some instances, readers say they have actually witnessed the licensing of illegals.

    Indeed, says the Federation for American Immigration Reform, some 15 states make it very easy for illegals to obtain driver's licenses, though only one - California - has actually passed legislation making it legal for illegal aliens to apply for and receive driver's licenses (though there is an effort underway there to have the law repealed).

    So what, you may ask. What does it matter if illegal aliens get a driver's license? After all, according to immigrant-rights groups and supporting politicians, illegals are here in the U.S. and are driving already. Licensing them may actually make roads safer because the illegal aliens will have to take and pass driver's exams, buy auto insurance and so forth.

    Several things are wrong with this "logic," the least of which is whether or not illegals will buy auto insurance (most don't now and experts say they won't after they get a license, either).

    First, there is a new federal law on the books that takes effect Jan. 1. Passed in the wake of the 2000 presidential recount circus/debacle, the "Help America Vote Act" sets national election standards, one of which is verifying the identity of voters to make sure they can legally participate in our country's elections. One of the qualifying documents is - you guessed it - a driver's license. Yet, if illegals are being given licenses - legally - what's to stop them from voting? Federal Election Commission officials gave only weak assurances the proper "safeguards" were in place to prevent this, but anyone who is familiar with bureaucracy knows better.

    That in and of itself is a major problem. Most illegals come from countries whose system of government is different - read less liberty-prone - than ours. Are Americans ready for more gun control? Warrantless searches and seizures? Fewer private-property rights? These same countries are much more socialist-minded as well; how much larger will the federal budget grow if illegals are allowed to vote themselves more benefits? Are Americans ready to pay the higher tax burdens that will be required to finance this new surge in largess?

    Also, Americans who travel abroad say driver's licenses, not passports or other documents, are increasingly being requested by foreign officials to verify identification. If illegal aliens possess a driver's license, then there really is no way to find out that person's legitimate country of origin. How much harder will that make it for U.S. and international authorities to track terrorists who were smuggled into California or another state long enough to apply for, and receive, a legitimate driver's license?

    "I just took a trip all across the Caribbean and South America and nobody wanted to see a passport ... just my drivers license," a friend told me. "Nobody in Martinique, Barbados or Aruba wanted to see jack. I only needed a driver's license and ship credit card to get on or off."

    What's the obvious answer? "Some statist at Homeland Security will come up with a national ID card," my friend says. I think he's right.

    It's not like the idea hasn't already come up. Plans to use driver's licenses as de facto national ID cards were first introduced during the Clinton administration. The idea resurfaced during the Bush administration following the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

    The next logical step, of course, will be a national computerized database of the information contained on the de facto national ID cards, and - well, you get the picture.

    All because political correctness has made our leaders more afraid of being mislabeled as racists than concerned about defending our nation's sovereign borders. For their cowardice, we the people will have to sacrifice more of our Constitution.

    In the end, Americans still won't be safe. And illegal immigration will continue to flourish.

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  2. The Drawing Room   -   #2
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    Hey if you don't like it here, move! Oh wait, you don't live here. Never mind then.

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    I have absolutely no problem in everyone being issued with a National ID. (ID Card is a bit of a tautology, Identification Document Card doesn't really scan particularly well). I would however prefer it if it were impossible to create a fake, for obvious reasons.

    Indeed if the Government wish to issue me with and ID, take and hold records of my fingerprints and have a DNA sample I have no problem with this. If these steps reduce crime (particularly violent crime) and assist in identifying criminals then it is a good thing.

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    Originally posted by LeGoMyFnLeg@5 October 2003 - 13:07
    Hey if you don't like it here, move! Oh wait, you don't live here. Never mind then.
    If you are talking to me ,you are wrong.I have no opinion about the articles i posted here in the forum.

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    I do not see no Problem with this.Big deal.....another Card to put in my Wallet.

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    LeGoMyFnLeg
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    Originally posted by sharedholder+5 October 2003 - 13:51--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (sharedholder @ 5 October 2003 - 13:51)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-LeGoMyFnLeg@5 October 2003 - 13:07
    Hey if you don&#39;t like it here, move&#33; Oh wait, you don&#39;t live here. Never mind then.
    If you are talking to me ,you are wrong.I have no opinion about the articles i posted here in the forum. [/b][/quote]
    Then why do you see the need to flavour your topic with a title like this?
    Americans Roll Over On Command, The Coming National ID Card
    If I were to post articles with a heading of "those italian morons again" or "look what those lame romanians are up to now" I think you&#39;d take a bit of offense. No matter if those words were mine or someone elses, it doesn&#39;t bode well for the peer to peer community or the forum either. Look around you at what is left of the once proud k-lite forum. Hell, you&#39;ve chased them all away.
    Still proud yes, but near empty.

  7. The Drawing Room   -   #7
    Like i said i have no opinions. Just copy and paste.

    Then why do you see the need to flavour your topic with a title like this?

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    Americans Roll Over On Command, The Coming National ID Card
    LOOK HERE

  8. The Drawing Room   -   #8
    LeGoMyFnLeg
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    No, you look here.
    No matter if those words were mine or someone elses, it doesn&#39;t bode well for the peer to peer community or the forum either.
    What don&#39;t you understand about this?

  9. The Drawing Room   -   #9
    I understand perfectly ,but that is your opinion,right?I repeat i don&#39;t have any opinion about this article or another,and if you think is better to stop me to copy and paste ,just tell me.

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    LeGoMyFnLeg
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    Do what you like but try to think globally when you do it. I might show contempt for an individual on occasion but treating an entire nation with contempt will surely lead to a bitter end.

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