Marxism/communism/socialism

[MagicNakor]

It's not a "trademark." It's a habit I was forced into long ago on a BBS. Thus, anything that could possibly be mistaken as curmudgeonry ends up with one.

[chalice]

Originally posted by MagicNakor@1 November 2003 - 00:45
It's not a "trademark." It's a habit I was forced into long ago on a BBS. Thus, anything that could possibly be mistaken as curmudgeonry ends up with one.

Patronised by a habit. There's something biblical there.

[blackhatknight]

I'm not sure i argee with this but i once heard it argued the earliest form of cummunisim was found in the Bible after the day of pentecost where the early followers sold their possession and life in something a long the lines of a hippy communion

[noname12]

Originally posted by mrcall1969+31 October 2003 - 23:37--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (mrcall1969 &#064; 31 October 2003 - 23:37)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by chalice@1 November 2003 - 00:32
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@31 October 2003 - 23:27
Seems to me to be pretty strange that you seem to be advocating the power and strength of the Soviet Union but your avatar shows the hammer and sickle, the very images of the Union, being blasted apart.

Makes me wonder if you just like the "images" and are infact trolling.

This is a good point.
Lets change this thread to are noname12&#39;s avatar and sig a provokative incitement?

Nah...let&#39;s not, I don&#39;t think he&#39;s the type that would welcome the attention...........or am i wrong [/b][/quote]
The avatar... I explained why I like it and it was made by friend pol (thanks)

The sig is nothing more then a sig, if you are going to base what you think you know about me on my sig then you are not worth speaking to.

As for attention, if I needed it I would have said I support the soviet union, although those with a Brain know I dont as I am a JEW and RELIGION IS BANNED IN COMMUNISM. Think about that one.

I like the idea of Communism minus the banned religion, which basically is socialism, give or take a few ideals. You have problem with that live with it

I did not ask for any of this attention to my sig and avatar, if you look back you are the one thats been hounding from the beginning after them.

[noname12]

Originally posted by Skweeky@31 October 2003 - 23:40
well...

What it was really about was the question in what way marxism, communism and socialism are connected, and in what way they differ (gr?)

I think I threw us off, but in the end I did try to show the similarities, you can base a new arguement on that one.

[noname12]

Originally posted by noname12@31 October 2003 - 22:50
Ladies and Gentleman.

I spoke to a friend of mine who is a expert in this field and I must say I am rather wrong in this case.

Communism - Everything is state run, everything is given out equally to all, there is no room to fall back but no room to move forward.

Socialism - The bulk is state run but there is room for free enterprise, you can move forward but no one falls behind.

Islamic Politics - Socialism but with a religious emphasis.

Not that much difference.

Soviet Union Shall neither Crush you or Inflate you. You shall give into the Union or be paid equally regardless.

The end.

Thank you.

Didnt add marxism because I still dont know much about that subject.

[chalice]

Originally posted by noname12+1 November 2003 - 02:30--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (noname12 @ 1 November 2003 - 02:30)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Skweeky@31 October 2003 - 23:40
well...

What it was really about was the question in what way marxism, communism and socialism are connected, and in what way they differ (gr?)

I think I threw us off, but in the end I did try to show the similarities, you can base a new arguement on that one. [/b][/quote]
Hate to raise the argument but what is an arguement?
How&#39;s that for sniping, MN?

[noname12]

Meh, Arguement, debate same thing.

[echidna]

Originally posted by noname12+1 November 2003 - 12:28--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (noname12 &#064; 1 November 2003 - 12:28)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by mrcall1969@31 October 2003 - 23:37

Originally posted by chalice@1 November 2003 - 00:32
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@31 October 2003 - 23:27
Seems to me to be pretty strange that you seem to be advocating the power and strength of the Soviet Union but your avatar shows the hammer and sickle, the very images of the Union, being blasted apart.

Makes me wonder if you just like the "images" and are infact trolling.

This is a good point.
Lets change this thread to are noname12&#39;s avatar and sig a provokative incitement?

Nah...let&#39;s not, I don&#39;t think he&#39;s the type that would welcome the attention...........or am i wrong

The avatar... I explained why I like it and it was made by friend pol (thanks)

The sig is nothing more then a sig, if you are going to base what you think you know about me on my sig then you are not worth speaking to.

As for attention, if I needed it I would have said I support the soviet union, although those with a Brain know I dont as I am a JEW and RELIGION IS BANNED IN COMMUNISM. Think about that one.

I like the idea of Communism minus the banned religion, which basically is socialism, give or take a few ideals. You have problem with that live with it

I did not ask for any of this attention to my sig and avatar, if you look back you are the one thats been hounding from the beginning after them.[/b][/quote]
Through reading this thread i have been depressingly underwhelmed by the excessive ignorance and insensitivity that noname12 has displayed here.

noname12 :: you are parading symbols and images around the board which are potentially offensive and disturbing. as these symbols are the most striking and consistent thing we see when reading your posts so it is likely to be much of the base from which we build our understanding of who/what you are, that&#39;s just the way it is

FYI :: jo stalin oversaw the murders of about 43 000 000 people in the soviet union mostly through excessive forced labour in the &#39;gulag&#39; camps,
he evicted [exiled] the entire populous of chechnya for about thirty years,
he exiled and killed returning POWs from WWII,
he engineered famine as the most cost efficient method for genocide of uncooperative peasants,
in short he makes saddam or pinochet or milosevic look like kindergarten cop.

he is at least as reviled as hitler or pol pot, and his imagery and symbolism could easily be seen as being as offencive as displaying nazi symbolism.

The complete lack of understanding of what symbols you display might mean,
especially from someone advertising their religion as judaism,
is particularly pathetic as i am sure you might find it uncomfortable being in a elevator with a few skin heads with swastikas and national front tattoos on their necks

symbols, by portending far more than they depict, are awesomely powerful, this is something you should know [or work out pretty damn quick]

until you go and read some history for yourself, an &#39;L&#39; on your forehead might fit better. before parading you ignorance as fact any more i would seriously recommend taking the time to read as widely on the topic as you can.
and you should read Solzhenitsyn, &#39;gulag archipelago&#39; and &#39;one day in the life of ivan denisovich&#39; at least.

if you hadn&#39;t wanted your sig and avatar to draw attention why have you used them?
you could always change them or not use one
but definitely change how much you know about the symbols you use [ie. what they mean to other people]
maybe try a ché guevara t-shirt

i had been amused [i actually LOL] at what i had read of you in other threads but finding here that you have no idea what it is that you&#39;re pedalling negates that amusment entirely

:: on the topic i agree with rat faced that the marxist/communist/socialist state has never actually been tried,
not only because of the power politics and turmoil withing the revolutionary governments, but also because of the besieging of nations trying to institute socialist policy [see. chile, china, cuba, indonesia, iran, malaysia, USSR, vietnam, and more...]
this external interference means that failure was almost a forgone conclusion

also marx saw a disenfranchised urban industrial populations as the bed from which revolution could grow, while all attempts to form a state through marxist revolution have planted their revolt in rural peasant populations,
so there hasn&#39;t yet been a &#39;marxist&#39; revolution as the prerequiste conditions his ideal requires have not preceeded any of the communist/socialist revolutions that have come to pass, i have always thought that the urbanisation of the working class increased the level of literacy within the community thus enabling considerably more complex organisation and education within the revolution.
not to mention the fact that the urban worker has a greater industrial skill base from which to work.

This links to an excellent excert from a new book by noam chomsky, it&#39;s about the history of US policies of terrorism against Cuba under castro, EVERYONE SHOULD READ IT&#33;

:: :: Viva Fidel&#33; Viva Cuba&#33; ::

[noname12]

All I can say is dont like it, I dont care, I will keep it just because you want me to change it. If some one finds it offensive they can block it off if they wish.

If I like Stalin or Castro or Who ever the hell else, your not going to change it and no ammount of big words and pathetic insults is going to change it.

Now should I add hitlers picture to the bottom just to annoy you?

Meh, being jewish doesnt stop me from have any opinion I wish, and if I wanted to put hitlers picture in my sig, are you going to stop me?

Go find something else to complain about rather then my sig.

As for all the other things said below, if you indeed find a flaw in what I wrote, point it out I believe pretty much every thing was covered in the revised version of my views due to a nice talk with some one who would make you look like a slack jawed hick who knows as much as Bush

Communism is from Marx, Marx was a Jewish thinker, He studied religion umong other things such as economics and bla bla. He found that the West cannot run under Religious views any more giving birth to his views. Communism was indeed his child, Socialism was umong it although socialism in this case can be completely derived from the Jewish belief of 90% Economy 10% Spirituality. But Socialism was first perfectly implimented by Islam which was 50%/50%

Oh yeas As I said previously IF they where all implimented in there true meaning they would work Communism could have been implimented in Russia, it could have worked and would have made the Union a super state that non could rival with. But when the Wishes of Lenin where ignored and Stalin brought in every thing pretty much went down the toilet. And just incase you ask, I find Stalin to be a interesting person, has brains but made such a mistake, I think he is worth my attention for further studies.

Now did I miss anything?

Read above to see the references to the figures, lenin, trotskishi and so on.

Did I miss anything else?

Thank you for finding my posts ammusing, May you laugh at many more including this one

.... Isnt fidel castro a human rights violator